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Old 03-28-2014, 01:46 PM   #1
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2014 JKU Total Audio swap project

Hey guys, I ordered my 2014 JKU with Alpine and after pouring over the forums reading everything I can about audio upgrades.... I have just come to the conclusion that for ease of upgrade (and probably sanity) I am going to swap everything out. I'm not looking for a "system" per say, but I do enjoy my music and I am going to try and get to at least a typical sounding car audio system.

This is what I am looking to use, but would like a few suggestions.

HU:
Pioneer AVH-X8500BHS
iDatalink

Speakers: (polyfil and dynamat all enclosures)
Roll bar - Kicker 40CS654
Dash - Infinity Primus PR6500cs
Sub - Kicker 40CWD82 (In the stock enclosure)

So here is where I get stuck. I'm debating between getting a 5 channel amp, or a 4 channel and a 1 channel to dedicate just to the sub. The other thing I am thinking is that I might be able to use the same mounting locations that the aftermarket Alpines were in by using these Amps due to their small size:

Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4 Compact 4-channel car amplifier — 75 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield.com
Rockford Fosgate Punch PBR300X1 Mono subwoofer amplifier — 300 watts RMS x 1 at 1 ohm at Crutchfield.com

I'm open to any and ALL suggestions about any of this set up, differnt brands of speakers, subs, amps and even mounting tips that any of you may have done. Thanks!

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Old 03-28-2014, 09:32 PM   #2
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I wouldn't use 3ohm speakers with a 4ohm amp, and other 4ohm speakers. I would match the ohms on all the speakers.

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I also probably would probably have gone with the Rockford Prime R250x1 which is 150watts@4ohms, instead of the Punch which is only 75watts@ 4ohms.

I would try to keep the 4ohms the same on all the speakers. The dvc sub wired at 1ohm, isn't going to be powerful enough for the 300watt amp.
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Good catch on the ohms! do you think going with a 5 channel amp would be better then the 2? If so what would you recommend?
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Good catch on the ohms! do you think going with a 5 channel amp would be better then the 2? If so what would you recommend?
Yes, a 5 channel is better because it saves space, and reduces the power draw. I think the Alpine PDX-V9 is the amp of choice for an open vehicle, like our Jeeps. Plus, you can mount the Alpine under the dash. But, then you need components that can handle that much power. A properly matched Alpine PDX-V9 would make for an awesome, powerful audio system. I digress, but I have it, and I got it because of recommendations from other WF members.
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Yes, a 5 channel is better because it saves space, and reduces the power draw. I think the Alpine PDX-V9 is the amp of choice for an open vehicle, like our Jeeps. Plus, you can mount the Alpine under the dash. But, then you need components that can handle that much power. A properly matched Alpine PDX-V9 would make for an awesome, powerful audio system. I digress, but I have it, and I got it because of recommendations from other WF members.
Damn thats some power! What are you running speaker wise that can handle that? I was looking at the fosgate amps based on size and the ability to hide them under the dash as well.
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I have the same head unit. I think it sounds fantastic. Lots of settings. I was going to ditch the factory speakers too (premium alpine), but am holding off for now as once I dialed in the HU and set up the crossovers with a powered sub I was satisfied (and so was my wallet). My only issue is the app radio integration on the HU with my iphone. It's awesome when it works, but it never seems to work the same way twice in a row. I may ditch it soon.
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With that HU - will the steering wheel controls work ?
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Damn thats some power! What are you running speaker wise that can handle that? I was looking at the fosgate amps based on size and the ability to hide them under the dash as well.
Exactly! Imagine your system being powered by something like that. That amp is asking for double the subwoofer that you currently have. It provides double the power of these "high power" head units, but "clean" double power. 50watts is good with the top on and doors on. But, when we go topless and/or doorless, we need double that power. Luckily, in a JK, 6.5" speakers are the standard. It is easy to find 100watt speakers in that size. The only problem is the subwoofer setup. There is an awesome low profile subwoofer setup for a 4 door JK, that is a perfect fit for the PDX-V9. I found such a sub setup in 1997-2006 Wranglers too. This is the JK 4 door subbox that handles 500watts.

07 13 Jeep Wrangler 4 Door Custom Sub Woofer Box Loaded 2 Helix Audio B10 Subs | eBay

As far as speakers go, there are many options. These Kickers are one such option.

Kicker 40CS654 6-1/2" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com


Supposedly, the Alpine SPR-60 is another 100wattRMS Speaker. I'm seeing them for about
$100 a pair.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...ne-SPR-60.html

If you need components in the front....

http://www.techronics.com/caraudio_1...FUNhfgodJZwA5g

And I like this model of the Coaxial better myself.

http://www.techronics.com/caraudio_1...-Speakers.html
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You will need an adapter. I got a PAC. Check my build thread for all the details.
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You will need an adapter. I got a PAC. Check my build thread for all the details.
Did the stock Sat radio work for you or did you need the pioneer adapter?
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I suggest matching the model of front and rear speakers. Like Chas linked Kicker CS series components and Kicker CS series coaxial... Whatever brand you use, make it the same.

Also check out CDT audio. They've got some mean speaker sets..
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Being in the 12v industry for 20+ years, its not very often I see a manufacturer stamp their name on something as horrible as Alpine has done.. IN a premium system like the Alpine, ive never heard something as horrible.. Don't know what went wrong on the joint venture, but too many buyers so very unhappy with them.. Better off buying one stripped .. That being said, we do our fair share of wranglers... We only do complete replacements now, as even keeping the heads on these aren't worth doing.. We have another coming in this week, think we will do a build log on this one and post up for guys here. Will consist of the following:

Pioneer 8000NEX head
Hybrid audio Clarus comps front and overhead (drilling for comps overhead)
Hybrid Legatia Pro tweeters (upgrade for front comps)
JL audio 8w3 subwoofer
Rockford 3sixty.3 DSP processor
Arc Audio 5ch, or Massive 5ch. amp.
Brandmotion backup camera (modified bracket for bigger wheels)
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Did the stock Sat radio work for you or did you need the pioneer adapter?
Sat is part of the factory HU, so no it won't transfer. You'd need a new unit (or a HU w/ built in sat). I think you could reuse the antenna... With the right adapter, I'm not sure though. I recall most people putting sat in, out new antennas in as well.

Personal, I think the A#1 problem with wrangler stock systems is the head units. Better speakers and amps with the stock will just make a crappy source sound just as crappy, but louder.
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Sat is part of the factory HU, so no it won't transfer. You'd need a new unit (or a HU w/ built in sat). I think you could reuse the antenna... With the right adapter, I'm not sure though. I recall most people putting sat in, out new antennas in as well.

Personal, I think the A#1 problem with wrangler stock systems is the head units. Better speakers and amps with the stock will just make a crappy source sound just as crappy, but louder.
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I'd be very interested in the build log as well as any other info/suggestions. I am looking at the NEX 8000 as well and would be interested in how and if the user added any USB ports to connect to the HU for mirroring the phone.

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Being in the 12v industry for 20+ years, its not very often I see a manufacturer stamp their name on something as horrible as Alpine has done.. IN a premium system like the Alpine, ive never heard something as horrible.. Don't know what went wrong on the joint venture, but too many buyers so very unhappy with them.. Better off buying one stripped .. That being said, we do our fair share of wranglers... We only do complete replacements now, as even keeping the heads on these aren't worth doing.. We have another coming in this week, think we will do a build log on this one and post up for guys here. Will consist of the following:

Pioneer 8000NEX head
Hybrid audio Clarus comps front and overhead (drilling for comps overhead)
Hybrid Legatia Pro tweeters (upgrade for front comps)
JL audio 8w3 subwoofer
Rockford 3sixty.3 DSP processor
Arc Audio 5ch, or Massive 5ch. amp.
Brandmotion backup camera (modified bracket for bigger wheels)
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I'd be very interested in the build log as well as any other info/suggestions. I am looking at the NEX 8000 as well and would be interested in how and if the user added any USB ports to connect to the HU for mirroring the phone.

Thanks!
were not sure what were doing on that yet.. The head unit should be completed tomorrow, and most of install completed so we can start tuning..

The tires and rims were different than what he originally showed he was getting , so the camera worked out fine without needing to modify the bracket. That was a good thing.. We decided to pull the factory amp, and use that space and bracket to mount the front xovers for the Hybrids, and we installed the rear xovers into the overhead soundbar... We did have to fabricate a woofer ring to mount the JL subwoofer though, but was no big deal. We did throw a pair of JEEP logo lights in the door that light up when opened.. see pic, lol..
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did want to say, this is the first 8000nex we have done, been on order for a while and we just got in, so he is getting the first one...Will let you know how it works out.
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did want to say, this is the first 8000nex we have done, been on order for a while and we just got in, so he is getting the first one...Will let you know how it works out.
. A friend of mine has one and it is very similar to past years model with better graphics and swipe control and one important exception (in my book). It will be upgradable this summer to the new Apple iOS CarPlay. I wouldn't spend the money for a NAV receiver with CarPlay coming since it will have the ability to mirror what is on your iPhone including NAV. That could be a game changing in-car UI. We will have to wait and see.

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