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Old 11-12-2009, 10:41 AM   #1
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I'm thinking on getting a CB radio for my Jeep but don't know exacly what to get. Anybody have one of this? Cobra Electronics 75 WX ST Compact/Remote Mount CB Radio with SoundTracker® and NOAA Weather What is your recommendation? Also maybe some imput on antenna(s). Thanks, Laters.

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Personally, I'm no fan of the Cobra 75 WX ST. The main reason is its extremely tiny speaker located in the microphone housing, it isn't capable of putting out enough volume if your top is off or your Jeep's interior is the least bit noisy. You can always install an external speaker to get around that but that then takes away from the unit's perceived ease of installation... which is in reality no easier than a regular CB. Plus if its mic goes bad, you can't just stop off at the local truck stop to buy an inexpensive replacement.

I'd take a look at something like Uniden's Pro510XL (under $40) or Pro520XL (under $50), both of which have a decent size speaker and are well known for holding up. My Pro520XL is going on 12 years old and it has been covered in dirt 7-8 of those years.

A Firestik antenna is rugged and commonly used on TJs, Wilson makes a good antenna too but it's too "whippy" for me. If you go for a Firestik, make sure to get their "tunable tip" version which makes it a lot easier to tune. The tunable tip version has a "FS" in its part number with the digit indicating how tall it is... like their FS-3 is a 3' tall antenna with a tunable tip. I personally run a FS-2 so it clears my garage door and it works great on the trail.

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Jerry, I appreciate your imput, I will definetly look in to those other units and atennas. Will a setup with one antenna be as efficient as a dual setup, or vice versa? Thanks,
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Avoid those "trucker" dual antenna setups. To even work properly, they need to be spaced wider apart than you can do on a TJ. One antenna works just fine, most of those dual antenna setups on trucks are just for looks anyway. Besides, even when they can be made to work properly, they make the antenna directional which is not what you want on the trail.
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so with that cb ill be able to talk to truckers too? I'll need the cb and an antenna and ill be all set?
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so with that cb ill be able to talk to truckers too? I'll need the cb and an antenna and ill be all set?
Yes, you'll be able to talk with truckers too on Channel 19. You'll also need an antenna mount and RG58 coax cable.

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Midland is another very good brand of CB, right up their with Uniden. That particular model would be a good choice too.
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would a magnetic antenna work even in the dead of winter? idk if ice and such would help it fall off...

whats the RG58 cable for??
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so the $40 cb turns into a $36 antenna/mount/cable too. Hahaha, idc im gunna get it!
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I just put on a cb setup with firestiks

firestik 20 dollars
FireStik FS4-R 4 Foot FireStik II FS Series Tunable Tip CB Aantenna RED

antenna/mounts 25 dollars

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and I use a cobra NW because of the weather reports
25 WX NW ST Cobra CB Radio with NOAA and NightWatch

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About the only place to put a magnetic mount antenna is the hood. You'll want something you can bolt down for offroading.

RG58 is the coax cable that goes between the radio and antenna.

Look around in the communications forum and you'll see examples of how others have mounted their setups.
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would a magnetic antenna work even in the dead of winter? idk if ice and such would help it fall off...
Mag mounts work fine but you'd have to get the ice off before placing it on the hood. For me though, I wouldn't want my antenna on the hood as it'd look pretty stupid and it'd be right in your line of sight.

I'd go for some kind of a mount like you can get from Tera that goes underneath one of the rear tail lights. Just make sure to grind the paint away between the mount and tub, the mount needs a bare metal connection to the tub so the antenna will work well. Take great pains to insure you assemble the mount exactly as the instructions say. Improperly assembled mounts are the cause behind 99.999% of all antenna problems. If you don't, it's easy for the antenna to be shorted directly to ground through the mount which will of course cause the antenna and CB not to work.
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This is a better picture of the mount and cable setup

Firestik Jeep CB Antenna Mount Kit - $26.95
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very decent setup but I would go 4 foot antennas if mounting on the bumper

I want a small cb radio since mine is literly like 10 pounds and bulky
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mitch if i know you like i think i do, make sure that midland has a pa output which it does

i just bought a uniden pro compact 520 xl. no complaints. 4' antenna mounted on the tire carrier, gets the job done and is simple. with the pa output i've got a 15w bull horn in the engine bay that annoys the be-jesus out of my gf when i show up in her apartment complex to pick her up. its well worth the $15 for the amusement alone. but also comes in handy when you get out of the truck on the trail just switch the pa on and you can hear everything when you're outside.
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yes.. I put one on my truck... best investment I am going to add one on the jeep...

I use a radioshack 100 watt pa speaker
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im not sure i'll like the fender mount....Ide like to get a mount that i could just drill 2 holes in my rear bumper and mount it there. Then I'll replace that 3' antenna with a 4'

simple to run the wires from the fender through the fire wall though...
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I can only imagine Mitch with CB power, your gonna be a lot lizard aren't ya?

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truck to truck, much like rock to rock

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For a Jeep mount, I would go with Tera's CB mount at CB Antenna Mount-Right hand | TeraFlex Suspensions (a left-hand mount version is available). Don't forget to grind the paint away between where the mount attaches to the Jeep... antenna mounts need bare metal to insure the antenna works properly. This mounts under the tail light so it's an easy to install mount.

For the antenna mount, I would go for this... FireStik K4A Stud mount This style is the favorite but this is the one you have to be 100% accurate in how it is assembled. Improperly assembled, it will short your antenna to ground. This is not to say it is difficult to assemble, you just have to read the instructions and make sure it is properly centered in the hole with the included nylon insulating shoulder washer positioned where the directions say to put it.

For the cable, get enough RG58 coax cable to make it between the antenna and CB with a few extra feet for the future in case you need to re-route it and install a new connector. There is NO need to make it exactly 18' long as some say, that's an old myth that is 100% false.

The connector type that needs to be on both sides of the cable is known as a PL-259 as shown at at CATALOG Main Page (Frame Setup) Edit: Whoops no it's not, their website is set up so I can't give you a direct link to this connector. Just look for the K4A (not the K4!) PL-259 connector and that's what is needed at both ends of the coax cable.

You also need a cable size adapter as at CATALOG Main Page (Frame Setup) to adapt the above PL-259 for the smaller size RG58 coax cable. Edit: No direct link for this either, search for the Model INS-58.

Once all this is put together, take it to a CB shop and have the antenna tuned so the CB will put out its full 4 watts. An untuned antenna reduces how much power the CB transmits with. No worries about an untuned antenna damaging the CB transmitter, modern CBs have automatic protection circuitry to preven that so you longer have to worry about it.

Hope this helps... and make darned sure the paint between the mount and tub has been ground off for a good bare metal-to-metal contact and take care in assembling and mounting the antenna mount to the Jeep mount. With just a little care, the CB will come to life immediately. If not, you will face re-doing the antenna mount again so it works.
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This is awesome information, thank all of you for your imput.
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Jerry I thought all firestiks were able to be tuned (take off the red tip and cut some of the rapped wire). You're right about getting you're radio tuned , very seldom do you get your full 4 right out of the box and out on the trail is where you are going to need it. If you have high SWR it's hard on you're finals.
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Jerry I thought all firestiks were able to be tuned (take off the red tip and cut some of the rapped wire). You're right about getting your radio tuned , very seldom do you get your full 4 right out of the box and out on the trail is where you are going to need it. If you have high SWR it's hard on your finals.
You're right, all Firestik antennas can be tuned but the FS series has a "tunable tip" which is a brass screw that is screwed in or out to tune it. Cutting the wire you pull out of the tip of the cheaper Firestik antenna (KW series) and snipping it off bit-by-bit to tune the antenna is a PITA and it you cut too much wire off, you're semi-screwed.

And I was referring to tuning the antenna, not the radio itself. Most do put out the full 4 watts if the antenna is tuned properly. Getting a radio "peaked and tuned" to put out more than the legal limit of 4 watts is illegal.
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Nice thread...full of awesome information! Once I get some money I'm gonna pick up one of the overhead cb mounts for my Jeep and get my cb setup back up and running. Tuning your cb honestly isn't all that difficult. It takes a little trial and error, but once you understand it, it's fairly simple. The only catch is...if you want to tune it accurately, you NEED to go out and buy an SWF meter. The ones built into many cb units aren't usually accurate enough for tuning. I think I got my meter for under $20, plus I bought a short length of coax jumper cable to use between my meter and my radio.

According to Firestik, the main source of cb problems is an improperly tuned antenna...so that just goes to show you how important tuning is.

Firestik has a VERY nice write up on tuning your own radio...
Setting the SWR of Your Antenna© - Firestik® Antenna Company

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Nice thread...full of awesome information! Once I get some money I'm gonna pick up one of the overhead cb mounts for my Jeep and get my cb setup back up and running. Tuning your cb honestly isn't all that difficult. It takes a little trial and error, but once you understand it, it's fairly simple. The only catch is...if you want to tune it accurately, you NEED to go out and buy an SWR meter. The ones built into many cb units aren't usually accurate enough for tuning.
Actually a CB radio's built-in SWR meter is entirely accurate enough for tuning an antenna. All you're looking for is the meter to show a dip in the amount of SWR where you tune it for minimum SWR. You won't know precisely the exact SWR ratio like 1.56:1 but it's more than adequate to find the antenna's proper length for minimum SWR/maximum power output.
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Actually a CB radio's built-in SWR meter is entirely accurate enough for tuning an antenna. All you're looking for is the meter to show a dip in the amount of SWR where you tune it for minimum SWR. You won't know precisely the exact SWR ratio like 1.56:1 but it's more than adequate to find the antenna's proper length for minimum SWR/maximum power output.
I guess I'm just a perfectionist...I tune everything as precisely as I can. LOL

When I had my cb in, I tuned it for the exact lowest SWR ratio I could get without spending hours sitting there tweaking my antenna out in our big field at work (figured the boss would get a little suspicious...haha).

When I had my subs in my truck and I wanted to tune my amp, tuning it by ear wasn't an option for me...so there I was with a multimeter tuning that thing to the exact readings for max power without screwing anything up.
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I guess I'm just a perfectionist...I tune everything as precisely as I can. LOL
I guess I wasn't clear enough on my explanation. The antenna will be tuned as precisely to its point of minimum SWR and exactly perfect length for the frequency being transmitted whether you use a built-in SWR meter or use a high-end SWR meter like a Bird. The only difference is the Bird meter will tell you the precise SWR number (like 1.25) while the internal SWR meter in the CB will only give you an approximation of your SWR. But both meters will tune the antenna to the same SWR reading by merely watching for the meter to dip to its lowest SWR indication.

Personally, as one who has been tuning antennas and military, commercial, and CB/amateur transmitters since the 60's, I only care that the antenna is tuned properly and pretty much any SWR meter can do that. Now if I have to keep a log of each transmitter's/antenna's SWR so the boss can see them, then I will use something like a Bird SWR meter.

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