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Old 12-28-2008, 03:43 PM   #31
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well, the guy just advised me that getting these speakers will involve a lot of modifications to the car since there's really not enough space in the dash for the 5.25s, plus the space provided "by the factory" is not round but rectangular (the 4x6s). at this point, i think we all know that. and this is why mario got these adapter plates off eBay, and the crutchfield man is obviously always looking for the easiest, most secure way possible. they definitely don't want to get hit with guarantee and/or return claims from stupid people who get oversized speakers without doing all the research.

he also said that the 6.5s are simply too big for the openings in the sound bar or pods. but again, as mentioned above, these holes are easily drilled and you obviously do get much more bang for the buck.

newbie that i am, i was a little intimidated by his sober words, but i've overcome my fears, will believe the voices in these threads, and order those frickin' speakers now. i'm sick of all the decision making! yes.
Looks like we're in the same boat with what we are doing RobinHood. Let's hope it doesn't sink.

Keep me posted with your experiences of this transition, as I will you, of mine.

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I'm sorry to hear that. I hope that this is just an isolated issue. Did you send it in for repair? Pioneer warrants the Premier models for 2 years.

I don't have my HU yet, but I've seen that the face has to open for you to detach it. Does it open up automatically when you shut your vehicle off. If so, can you somehow disable that feature so it's not constantly opening and closing for no reason? I would think that could wear out the motor very quickly. I'm not worried about wearing it out on my own with CD's because one of the main reasons I bought this unit was because of the rear USB support, so I can use my 16GB thumb drive for music. (plus all of its other capabilities of course) If you can't disable that auto feature, I too am concerned with the longevity of this unit.

Unfortunatly the head-unit came with the jeep when I bought it so I dont have a reciet to have it warrentied. And everytime you turn off the vehicle the unit opens to give you the chance to remove the face plate then after about 30 sec it closes on its own. I never even looked into seeing if that option could be turned off.

I just ordered a Clarion FB255BT from crutchfield to replace it. I really dont use CDs much at all and have a portable sirius radio so I decided to grab that headunit because it is pretty simple and straight forward. It also does not include a CD player but instead comes with a slot for the typical SD mermory card behind the faceplate. I figure that there are less moving parts in it so it should be a bit more durable, SD cards are a bit more durable (dont easily scratch) and compact plus can store a ton more songs than a CD. On top of that, with the generic coupons I found online for crutchfield, the headunit and wire harness came to $109 shipped. Here is a basic pic.


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Whats the deal with the crossover in the Kappa's? You said you had to remove your SoundBar to get them in? Can't you put them in the same hole as the speakers, just before you put the speakers in?
i had to remove the soundbar so i could mount the tweeters, and i mounted the crossovers inside the soundbar.
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[QUOTE=Jp90Talon;299203]Unfortunatly the head-unit came with the jeep when I bought it so I dont have a reciet to have it warrentied. And everytime you turn off the vehicle the unit opens to give you the chance to remove the face plate then after about 30 sec it closes on its own. I never even looked into seeing if that option could be turned off.

I just ordered a Clarion FB255BT from crutchfield to replace it. I really dont use CDs much at all and have a portable sirius radio so I decided to grab that headunit because it is pretty simple and straight forward. It also does not include a CD player but instead comes with a slot for the typical SD mermory card behind the faceplate. I figure that there are less moving parts in it so it should be a bit more durable, SD cards are a bit more durable (dont easily scratch) and compact plus can store a ton more songs than a CD. On top of that, with the generic coupons I found online for crutchfield, the headunit and wire harness came to $109 shipped. Here is a basic pic.

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That seems to be a nice unit. I looked into it myself being that I'm not very interested in CD's. The thing that I didn't like about it was that the only option for music storage is the SD Card slot. And I also like the idea of one day maybe using a USB portable HD since they are coming down in price. Don't get me wrong, the SD concept is great. I just don't like the "little" limitations of the SD. Anything over 2GB or 4GB so is considered HCSD, and some devices are not compatible with that. (my computer for one)(and it's only 2 years old) Then you have to buy special card readers to get them to work. I guess that would only matter to someone that really wants to have a ton of music stored though. Do you know if your new deck is SDHC compliant?

Here's the Alpine X100 that I'm considering, instead of my initial choice. Zero moving parts. No CD either. It seems to do everything that I'm looking for, but the sound adjustment just aren't there as with the Pioneer Premier 600ub. Is it worth the sacrifice, who knows? Just how good is the sound from this thing without all the adjustments? Does anyone have this HU and couls shed some light on the situation?
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i had to remove the soundbar so i could mount the tweeters, and i mounted the crossovers inside the soundbar.
Gotcha! I thought you were saying you had to remove the soundbar for the crossovers, and that baffled me.
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Great Info TigerTrack! Thanks again.
I just ordered the 5.25" conversion plates. I guess I just committed myself to keeping the 5.25" Kappa's for the dash. I just hope I'm not getting in over my head. I'm not really comfortable with cutting away metal on the inside of my dash. That piece MUST support something, right? Do you know what? Will it weaken my dash in any way, or is it just a support for the 4x6's? Will I ever be able to use the 4x6 mounts again if I want/need to?

The other thing I'm leery about is the wiring of the crossover. I understand what the crossover does, but I have no clue on how to wire it in. Can someone who has done this explain it a bit please? Do I need extra stuff that isn't already in there?
the whole dash bolts up to a metal frame(thats what those pieces are part of), dont worry about it affecting the integrity; the whole thing's pretty solid.
remember whatever you do cut, no one will ever see because its behind the speaker cover- its alright to not be perfect.

and yes, you can use 4x6's again. the 2 holes on top and bottem are what hold the speakers in, not the piece you will be cutting out.
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Do you know if your new deck is SDHC compliant?
"SD/MMC Memory Cards" <---from the specs so I guess not but at the same time I dont see myself needing anything more than a 4gig sd card esp since I mostly use my Sirius radio that even saves music to its own drive to replay.
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Great Info TigerTrack! Thanks again.
I just ordered the 5.25" conversion plates. I guess I just committed myself to keeping the 5.25" Kappa's for the dash. I just hope I'm not getting in over my head. I'm not really comfortable with cutting away metal on the inside of my dash. That piece MUST support something, right? Do you know what? Will it weaken my dash in any way, or is it just a support for the 4x6's? Will I ever be able to use the 4x6 mounts again if I want/need to?

The other thing I'm leery about is the wiring of the crossover. I understand what the crossover does, but I have no clue on how to wire it in. Can someone who has done this explain it a bit please? Do I need extra stuff that isn't already in there?
All the crossover does is take your 2 wires that are going into your current speakers and split the signal into highs and lows. You just have to splice your 2 wires that go to your current speakers into the crossover, the crossover then has 4 wires coming out of it on the other side which plug into your speaker terminals. Once you have them in front of you it will all be very clear, they even make the terminals on the speakers dummy proof so you can't connect the highs to the lows and the lows to the highs.
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"SD/MMC Memory Cards" <---from the specs so I guess not but at the same time I dont see myself needing anything more than a 4gig sd card esp since I mostly use my Sirius radio that even saves music to its own drive to replay.
Oops, my bad. I brainfarted. I guess it's called SDHC. The HC stands for High Capacity. Yeah, if you're not looking to put an assload of music on your card, I think thats a nice deck. That's cool that you can save music to your Sirius Radio. Maybe that's pretty standard, but I don't have one, so it's pretty cool to me.
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All the crossover does is take your 2 wires that are going into your current speakers and split the signal into highs and lows. You just have to splice your 2 wires that go to your current speakers into the crossover, the crossover then has 4 wires coming out of it on the other side which plug into your speaker terminals. Once you have them in front of you it will all be very clear, they even make the terminals on the speakers dummy proof so you can't connect the highs to the lows and the lows to the highs.
Nice. That makes sense. Thanks for the description Emev0l.
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Oops, my bad. I brainfarted. I guess it's called SDHC. The HC stands for High Capacity. Yeah, if you're not looking to put an assload of music on your card, I think thats a nice deck. That's cool that you can save music to your Sirius Radio. Maybe that's pretty standard, but I don't have one, so it's pretty cool to me.
Yeah I picked up a Stiletto 2 portable sirius radio. You can hook it to your car, dock it to your home stereo, listen to it as you would an old school walkman, plus it is also an mp3 player and you can record upwards of 100hrs of live sirius radio to play back as you wish and even record 3-4 stations at the same time. With all that commercial free radio I dont think I really need a cd player. Here is a pic of the unit.

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Nice. That makes sense. Thanks for the description Emev0l.
If I get a chance I'll post a pic of it tomorrow.
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If I get a chance I'll post a pic of it tomorrow.
Sounds good Emev0l.
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Yeah I picked up a Stiletto 2 portable sirius radio. You can hook it to your car, dock it to your home stereo, listen to it as you would an old school walkman, plus it is also an mp3 player and you can record upwards of 100hrs of live sirius radio to play back as you wish and even record 3-4 stations at the same time. With all that commercial free radio I dont think I really need a cd player. Here is a pic of the unit.

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Yeah I picked up a Stiletto 2 portable sirius radio. You can hook it to your car, dock it to your home stereo, listen to it as you would an old school walkman, plus it is also an mp3 player and you can record upwards of 100hrs of live sirius radio to play back as you wish and even record 3-4 stations at the same time. With all that commercial free radio I dont think I really need a cd player. Here is a pic of the unit.

i was thinking of getting that sirius radio but i will end up loosing it because it is so small. i just went with one of the plug and play radios, that way i cam listen to it in the car and at work and home.
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If I get a chance I'll post a pic of it tomorrow.
wow, does this mean you're already finished with your infinity speaker upgrade as discussed in the other thread? any poblems or did it all go according to plan?

did you do the soundbar only or the dash as well? i'd loooove to see some pics and hear more details... thanks in advance!!
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Yeah I picked up a Stiletto 2 portable sirius radio. You can hook it to your car, dock it to your home stereo, listen to it as you would an old school walkman, plus it is also an mp3 player and you can record upwards of 100hrs of live sirius radio to play back as you wish and even record 3-4 stations at the same time. With all that commercial free radio I dont think I really need a cd player. Here is a pic of the unit.

this looks very nice. i've become a big fan of the sirius radio system when i drove up the east coast with a rental car (with sirius) this fall. it's unbelievable how much (absolutely commercial-free) music you get with this service. unfortunately, i think it's only available in the US and the swiss digital radio system (they don't call it satellite over here) is way less sophisticated, only a handful of stations (and genres) to chose from.

still, i was considering getting one of these small digital radio devices to listen to some jazz or classical music when on the move. and here's my question: do you hook this up via the old school 3.5mm mini jack (or cinch) to the AUX input of your headunit or is there another, digital, more sound quality-conserving way to do it?
i have an alpine w505 with a variety of different input ports and i noticed the enormous difference in sound (especially bass) when i recently connected my iPhone to the headunit via mini jack (just to try) instead of the digital dock connector...
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still, i was considering getting one of these small digital radio devices to listen to some jazz or classical music when on the move. and here's my question: do you hook this up via the old school 3.5mm mini jack (or cinch) to the AUX input of your headunit or is there another, digital, more sound quality-conserving way to do it?
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Well I hope this answers your question. There are 3 different ways that you can hook it up. The 1st is via an AUX in. The 2nd is call an FM direct cable (pretty much an over-priced Y-connector for your FM antannae). And Lastly most units have a built in FM modulator that broadcasts a weak signal and all you would need to do is tune your radio to that channel. AUX in and FM direct are your best shots. FM modulator can get pretty crappy. Any other questions feel free to hit me up via PM. I feel bad about cluttering this guys thread.
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wow, does this mean you're already finished with your infinity speaker upgrade as discussed in the other thread? any poblems or did it all go according to plan?

did you do the soundbar only or the dash as well? i'd loooove to see some pics and hear more details... thanks in advance!!
I have everything to complete the speaker install, I had a week off work and all of my tools were at work, well it's Monday morning and I'm back to work so once I get done modding this Xbox 360 to play burnt games then I'll throw these speakers in, with a couple pics, they will be in my radio thread. I've also traced the 5 1/4 speaker adapter plate for the dash speakers and will try and scan it and post a printable picture of it so people can make there own.
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so once I get done modding this Xbox 360 to play burnt games then I'll throw these speakers in,
i modded my xbox a while ago, you should burn some of the halo 2 re-maped.
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I have everything to complete the speaker install, I had a week off work and all of my tools were at work, well it's Monday morning and I'm back to work so once I get done modding this Xbox 360 to play burnt games then I'll throw these speakers in, with a couple pics, they will be in my radio thread. I've also traced the 5 1/4 speaker adapter plate for the dash speakers and will try and scan it and post a printable picture of it so people can make there own.
cool, i'll be checking that thread then... thanks!
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Well I hope this answers your question. There are 3 different ways that you can hook it up. The 1st is via an AUX in. The 2nd is call an FM direct cable (pretty much an over-priced Y-connector for your FM antannae). And Lastly most units have a built in FM modulator that broadcasts a weak signal and all you would need to do is tune your radio to that channel. AUX in and FM direct are your best shots. FM modulator can get pretty crappy. Any other questions feel free to hit me up via PM. I feel bad about cluttering this guys thread.
yeah, the AUX option was my first guess, too. i didn't know about the FM direct, but that doesn't sound like it'll make any significant difference quality-wise. the FM modulator is indeed a very shaky concept, i had that with an iPod in an old car once... horrible. thanks for your explanation.
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All the crossover does is take your 2 wires that are going into your current speakers and split the signal into highs and lows. You just have to splice your 2 wires that go to your current speakers into the crossover, the crossover then has 4 wires coming out of it on the other side which plug into your speaker terminals. Once you have them in front of you it will all be very clear, they even make the terminals on the speakers dummy proof so you can't connect the highs to the lows and the lows to the highs.
Mario,

I haven't received my Kappa's yet, but I pulled my dash apart today just for the hell of it, and to get a general idea on what I'll have to do with the crossover. So, I'll just have to cut the very tips off of these connectors, (where it actually hooks to my speaker) then splice them into the crossovers, and then the crossover will have 4 new wires that are ready to hook to 4 new points on the new Kappa's, right?


These were also in there. I don't know what they are called. Will I need them after the install, or will packing the back end with that cotton material take care of everything?


One other thing. All 4 of the new Kappa's (for both the SoundBar and Dash) are 2ohm. The others that I had in these locations are all 4ohm. At this point I will not be using an amp for these. Will I need to change any wiring since these are all 2ohm instead of 4ohm? Or will it all pretty much be a plug and play type thing, other than wiring the crossovers?
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Lightbulb To everyone:

I had originally ordered the BLACK PVC SPEAKER ADAPTERS to do this job.

After a couple days of thinking about it, I decided to order the Steel Adapters and use those instead. If you, or anyone you know would like that set of BLACK PVC SPEAKER ADAPTERS, just PM me and let me know. I'll give them to you for what they cost me.
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hhmm any one ever tried to do a system with Noise-canceling unit?

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I haven't received my Kappa's yet, but I pulled my dash apart today just for the hell of it, and to get a general idea on what I'll have to do with the crossover. So, I'll just have to cut the very tips off of these connectors, (where it actually hooks to my speaker) then splice them into the crossovers, and then the crossover will have 4 new wires that are ready to hook to 4 new points on the new Kappa's, right?


These were also in there. I don't know what they are called. Will I need them after the install, or will packing the back end with that cotton material take care of everything?


One other thing. All 4 of the new Kappa's (for both the SoundBar and Dash) are 2ohm. The others that I had in these locations are all 4ohm. At this point I will not be using an amp for these. Will I need to change any wiring since these are all 2ohm instead of 4ohm? Or will it all pretty much be a plug and play type thing, other than wiring the crossovers?
Those look like aftermarket 4x6 speakers with adapter plates, are you not getting a good sound out of them? The black piece is a factory baffle, it wont work with the 5 1/4's

I did the dash speakers yesterday at work, but ended up leaving work early, had to meet the carpet guy at one of the houses, I'll post a lot of pictures in my radio thread within the next hour or two.
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Those look like aftermarket 4x6 speakers with adapter plates, are you not getting a good sound out of them? The black piece is a factory baffle, it wont work with the 5 1/4's

I did the dash speakers yesterday at work, but ended up leaving work early, had to meet the carpet guy at one of the houses, I'll post a lot of pictures in my radio thread within the next hour or two.
I responded via PM. Thanks.
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Okay, most everything has been ordered. RF P2 Subs, RF T500-1BD Amp, Infinity Kappa 5.25" for the Dash, Infinity Kappa 6.5" for the SoundBar, Alpine MRP-F300 4 Channel for the Kappa's, 5.25" Speaker Adapter Plates, and Speaker Baffles.

The only thing that I haven't finalized is the HU. I have always leaned toward the Pioneer Premier DEH-P600UB. I've been talking with some people and they are suggesting the Pioneer 800UB with Time Alignment. What is Time Alignment, and do I really need it?
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