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Old 08-22-2013, 09:58 AM   #121
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So a non-licensed citizen cannot own a Ham radio? Or is it that transmission capability on restricted frequencies (license required) cannot be accessible to non-licenced operators? Or something else?

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Anyone can own a ham radio. You need a license to transmit on amateur frequencies.

Other services, such as MURS/FRS, require type acceptance radio’s. No one can legally transmit with a ham radio on MURS/FRS frequencies. You need a radio designed for that service.

Receiving is different, no license is needed. You can use any radio you want, to listen to anything you want (except for certain cell frequencies).

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That makes sense, but I thought the restriction (license required) applied to not only the frequencies, but the power. ie: I can't transmit on a MURS only radio (license free frequencies) at a power greater than 2W unless I have a license. 2W or less and it's all good. Therefore, it seems to me (which is why I'm asking) that if I have a HT ham radio (or vehicle mount for that matter), on a MURS freq, transmitting at less than 2W, I'm all good.

Part of the reason for this questioning is that I'd like to buy a HT ham radio and maybe one for my Jeep for exacly this purpose. I can get one for less than a MURS / 2 Watt radio and it has much greater capability if I decide to expand my horizons. (with licensing of course)
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I apologize if this is not the correct forum (Wrangler) to ask such questions, but I'm guessing a ham forum would eat me alive. Congratulations to those of you who have aquired the license.
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That makes sense, but I thought the restriction (license required) applied to not only the frequencies, but the power. ie: I can't transmit on a MURS only radio (license free frequencies) at a power greater than 2W unless I have a license. 2W or less and it's all good. Therefore, it seems to me (which is why I'm asking) that if I have a HT ham radio (or vehicle mount for that matter), on a MURS freq, transmitting at less than 2W, I'm all good.

Part of the reason for this questioning is that I'd like to buy a HT ham radio and maybe one for my Jeep for exacly this purpose. I can get one for less than a MURS / 2 Watt radio and it has much greater capability if I decide to expand my horizons. (with licensing of course)
Close... you can't transmit without a license. With a license, you cannot exceed X watts of broadcast (x varying by band).
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:32 PM   #126
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That makes sense, but I thought the restriction (license required) applied to not only the frequencies, but the power. ie: I can't transmit on a MURS only radio (license free frequencies) at a power greater than 2W unless I have a license. 2W or less and it's all good. Therefore, it seems to me (which is why I'm asking) that if I have a HT ham radio (or vehicle mount for that matter), on a MURS freq, transmitting at less than 2W, I'm all good.

Part of the reason for this questioning is that I'd like to buy a HT ham radio and maybe one for my Jeep for exacly this purpose. I can get one for less than a MURS / 2 Watt radio and it has much greater capability if I decide to expand my horizons. (with licensing of course)
You cannot transmit on MURS with a power greater than 2W anytime. That service is restricted to 2W max. It does not matter weather you have a license or not. Also you cannot transmit on MURS frequencies with a ham radio, license or not. If you want to use MURS, you need a MURS radio.

MURS, FRS, and CB radios are designed to be chanel specific. They transmit on very specific frequencies. The ham service is different, we are allowed to use any frequency (in the amateur bands) that we want. By convention, in the VHF/UHF bands in the FM sub-band we tend to stay on specific frequencies for courtesy, but we do not have to.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:04 PM   #127
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I apologize if this is not the correct forum (Wrangler) to ask such questions, but I'm guessing a ham forum would eat me alive. Congratulations to those of you who have aquired the license.
Def the correct forum. Many of us newer hams have taken refuge here because the old guard on the ham forums are just plain rude. BTW the previous poster, Sparky, is excellent. I've learned a ton from his posts.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:05 AM   #128
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Also you cannot transmit on MURS frequencies with a ham radio, license or not. If you want to use MURS, you need a MURS radio.
This does not make sense to me.

The only MURS radio that I can find that seems decent is the Motorola RMM2050 and it's not cheap. That's why I wanted to go with a handheld ham, lots more features too.

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Old 08-23-2013, 10:12 AM   #129
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A MURS radio? LMAO Any radio can be programmed to run on those freqs as long as its a programmable one.
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I did not say they were cheap. It’s a little used service, not many people are aware of it so no market for the radios.

Your choices;
CB - not too expensive, good enough range, lots of other people to talk to.
GMRS – not too expensive for the radios, license is $85 for 5 years, a little longer range than MURS
FRS – cheap radios, short range, 1/2W power limit
HAM – Chinese radios like the Baofeng are inexpensive and work fairly well, need a license, much greater range, most HT’s are 5W, mobiles 50W, not as many users as CB or FRS.

Pefrey, take a look into getting the license. The Technician test is not that difficult. Basic electrical knowledge, knowing the rules, safety, and some common sense. You can self study with a book. The ARRL manual is excellent, with practice question that direct you back to the text so you know why an answer is correct. You can find a local club, some have classes. There are even one day sessions. Start early in the morning on the material, by late afternoon you are taking the test. If you want I’ll direct you where to find more information.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:49 PM   #131
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I think your assessments of the different choices are spot on. MURS is attractive because it is license free, medium range and not popular / crowded so family use would be ideal.

GMRS not so good as everybody has to have a license. Ham on a MURS or FRS frequency seemed like the ticket but it sounds like that's not an option.

I've been on the ARRL website some, there is a LOT of information there.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:46 PM   #132
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Another good reason to go ahead and get your HAM License. If you know the area of northern CA. I was at Buck Lake on the Rubicon Trail and talked to my wife in Sacramento. Probably close to 100+ miles or so. She sounded like she was standing next to me.
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Another good reason to go ahead and get your HAM License. If you know the area of northern CA. I was at Buck Lake on the Rubicon Trail and talked to my wife in Sacramento. Probably close to 100+ miles or so. She sounded like she was standing next to me.

Very cool.
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Pefrey, your profile says New York, a quick look lists over 900 repeaters in the state so you should find coverage no matter where you are.

Once you get a license there are a lot more things you can do with radio than just use a HT. There’s video, data, teletype, remote control, and more. Contests, public service, emergency communications, achievement awards. There are over 2 dozen different frequency bands we can use. A 1 W morse rig can work hundreds of miles. Some things get pricy, others are very low cost.

Do you want cool, how about access to satellites, or bouncing your signal off the moon, maybe talk with somebody on the international Space Station or an Antarctic research station.

If I come off sounding enthusiastic, it’s because I am. I’ve been playing with radio for a long time.

The ARRL site is a good place to start. You can search there for a local club. PM me with questions if you want.
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Do you want cool, how about access to satellites, or bouncing your signal off the moon, maybe talk with somebody on the international Space Station or an Antarctic research station.

Mine = blown. Thanks for the offer of help, I may take you up on it.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:46 PM   #136
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FWIW if you get a HAM license (and I think more people should) your first radio should be a simple 2 meter mobile. I started with a Yaesu FT-60 dual band hand held. BIG mistake. PITA to program and super hard to make contact with anyone. Matter of fact, they sold me the computer software to program it when I bought the radio. That should have been a huge clue. Spent $200 on it and then probably close to another $100 on antennas until I found one that would work. Yes it was cool that ONE time when I was camped alone and had it out by my camp fire and talked to a guy in the next state. But otherwise, I have been disappointed in it. Heck when I want to listen to local nets I usually just use my scanner because I know the wont be able to hear me with my handheld anyway.

I then installed a Yaesu FT-2900 in my jeep. SUPER simple by comparison. I did not need a computer to program it and I can actually talk to folks with it. I wish more of my wheeling friends had HAM. I went out with a fellow HAM a couple weeks ago and it was so much nicer than the CB. Even after he lost a portion of his antenna it was as if we were sitting next to each other.
I have the 2900 as well....but what kind of antennae?
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X2 above... Plus how did you mount the antenna? NMO? Where? Hood?
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X2 above... Plus how did you mount the antenna? NMO? Where? Hood?
For my FT-8800 in my Jeep I used NMO on a Teraflex antenna mount for the passenger side. I also used a NMO mount for my FT-2900 in my CTD. With the Jeep I used a Diamond dual band antenna. The CTD I used a 1/4 wave antenna and mounted it on the roof.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:58 AM   #139
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Ham radio

Ham radio is nice to have in the Jeep. Here we have alot of remote trails with no cell service, and CB is out of range. Have not found a trail yet that I could not find a repeater.
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