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Old 09-09-2012, 03:47 PM   #31
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The DDX419 does not have a separate box for Bluetooth; it's a small Bluetooth chip that plugs into the rear USB input. iPods and flash-drives can still be plugged into the front USB input, so the rear one being used shouldn't be an issue.

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Old 09-11-2012, 12:01 PM   #32
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I would never put any aftermarket unit in that didn't have a good form of security. This is my third Jeep and I've had each one broken into at least handful of times. It's happened in good parts of town and bad parts. I've had also had bad experiences with both brands. Jeep's are a lot dirtier then most cars and the head unit's take more abuse.

The only unit I've ever had last was made by alpine.

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Old 10-25-2012, 05:41 PM   #33
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For an aftermarket setup with XM and steering wheel controls, you will need the following items:

1) Radio dash kit Metra 95-6511 $10-20
2) Radio harness Factory Base audio system Metra XSVI-6522-NAV $40-80
------------------Factory Infinity system Metra CHTO-013 $80-130
3) Radio antenna adapter Metra 40-EU10 $7-17
4) Steering Wheel Controls Module Metra ASWC $70-100
5) SiriusXM Tuner SiriusXM SXV200 $50-70 (will work with any new aftermarket stereo that has the "SiriusXM" logo)
6) The radio/nav unit Kenwood DNX6190HD $700-900

Total price (low) $877
Total price (high) $1237

So, depending on where you get all the items and if you install it yourself, an aftermarket unit will be better quality and can still be cheaper than a refurbished factory unit.

As far as theft goes, I have been installing professionally for about 7 years now, and have yet to get someone in for replacing their stolen double-din screen. Thieves who know what they are doing know that a double-DIN radio is rarely cage mounted, and therefore they must take the dash apart to remove it without causing damage to the radio itself. It would take an average thief several minutes to get your double-DIN, while it may only take 30 seconds to get the single-DIN that's mounted in the car parked next to yours.
*****I just got all of this under $500! All accessories on eBay, Kenwood DNX5120 in mint condition on Craigslist! - Now installation is pending. I'll post pics and feedback. Thanks for all of your help!*****
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:17 PM   #34
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I know its an Alpine, but you might want to take a look at it because it does seem to have what you want and does have a detachable face. The detachable face is what sold this one for me.

Alpine INE-S920HD Navigation receiver at Crutchfield.com
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:36 AM   #35
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I know its an Alpine, but you might want to take a look at it because it does seem to have what you want and does have a detachable face. The detachable face is what sold this one for me.

Alpine INE-S920HD Navigation receiver at Crutchfield.com
That's actually pretty sweet. If I end up not liking this Nav, I have a buddy that wants it and I may buy the Kenwood DNX6190HD or get the Alpine INE-S920HD
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:50 AM   #36
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I went with a Kenwood DNX6180HD, happy with the unit and no issues. I've updated the firmware and it runs even snappier now.
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:22 AM   #37
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Old 03-13-2014, 05:18 PM   #40
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I can personally say Kenwood, I have had 2 pioneers over the years, the original double din Avic-D1 and just recently the 150BH(new version of the 140). The 10year old avic D1 was infinitely better than the new 150bh, I only had installed the 150BH 6 months before I sold my last car and I just let the dealership have it. The D1 had more features than the new top of the line model such as telephone address search. The new 150 doesnt even tell you the speed limit of the road your on which is a standard feature on even a pos $80 garmin, not that garmins are bad but im talking bottom of the line. I just put a kenwood excelon radio in my Jeep and its wonder. Much easier to control and set up than the pioneer, far better sound quality but most importantly better electronics. Pioneer is still using the same chipboard that they were using when they released their first Navi, which has a tendency to die in 2-3 years because of an internal fuse that likes to blow around that time and there is no way to fix it. Thats partly how my first pioneer died, in addition the touch screen and motor unit both fried and died. Its up to you but I will never buy another Pioneer product, their tech is far out dated, Kenwood is on top of their game.
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Out of the two, I would probably say Kenwood too. But, I choose a different route, because neither of them made the type of HU that I was looking for at the time. I wanted the 7" touch flip screen and GPS. And, with a radio that extravagent, a detachable face is very important. But, many of the radio manufacturer's don't seem to understand the importance of that theft deterrent system. I don't think they really care because if they can get you to buy radio's continuously because of theft, it is more profitable for them.
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Very Nice HU. I would seriously consider putting in a seven band graphic EQ into the space you have left. The Clarion EQS746 is 1/2 din and it only costs 60$. I would especially consider it if you plan to add a subwoofer and speaker amps. The HU will add too much distortion to your speakers and the Clarion is only 0.005% THD. Any "boost" by the HU means adding distortion. The Clarion will control the subwoofer boost a lot better than the HU. If you want true audio fidelity, I would get it.



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Old 03-13-2014, 06:54 PM   #43
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Chas thats really not why they did that. I worked as a mobile audio salesman and installer for many years, including the years when these products first hit the market. The reason they stopped making detachable faceplates for the motorized units is because at best you could only make half of the face detachable and because it was so small it was very weak and broke often. On top of that it didn't deter anyone. Since the edge of the screen was still exposed it was obvious to the thieves that the in dash unit is of high value. They would still steal it and then just go to different audio stores until they found the same one on the wall and just steal the corresponding faceplate. It became such an issue we started to glue the faceplates on with CA glue and then would just junk the unit when it came off the wall. All manufacturers still make detachable faceplates for standard single din headunits because they are large enough to be of solid construction but still run the risk of premature failure if you detach it often because the contacts wear out. Thats why I dont remove mine. Even the vibrations from the car cause a lot of wear on these connections. This is why I installed my radio in such a way that the theif would need to dismantle the entire dash and then remove 6 screws holding the radio in place. There are other ways to prevent theft as well if you like but thats enough for me. After all my radio I have now was just over $100, so im not too worried.
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Chas thats really not why they did that. I worked as a mobile audio salesman and installer for many years, including the years when these products first hit the market. The reason they stopped making detachable faceplates for the motorized units is because at best you could only make half of the face detachable and because it was so small it was very weak and broke often. On top of that it didn't deter anyone. Since the edge of the screen was still exposed it was obvious to the thieves that the in dash unit is of high value. They would still steal it and then just go to different audio stores until they found the same one on the wall and just steal the corresponding faceplate. It became such an issue we started to glue the faceplates on with CA glue and then would just junk the unit when it came off the wall. All manufacturers still make detachable faceplates for standard single din headunits because they are large enough to be of solid construction but still run the risk of premature failure if you detach it often because the contacts wear out. Thats why I dont remove mine. Even the vibrations from the car cause a lot of wear on these connections. This is why I installed my radio in such a way that the theif would need to dismantle the entire dash and then remove 6 screws holding the radio in place. There are other ways to prevent theft as well if you like but thats enough for me. After all my radio I have now was just over $100, so im not too worried.
Thank you very much for your opinion, and I do respect it. But, I have lived inside and outside of a major city, and I have talked with many car audio thieves, and I know what they look for and what they steal. First coming out of college, with little money, I talked to them. I saw their stolen products, and what they had to offer. They told me how difficult it was to get a faceplate replacement. So, they don't normally go after those radios because they can't make quick money for their drugs. And, if you have a good alarm, they don't know if someone will come down the stairs with a shot gun. At one time in my early youth, I had an Uzi and a Shotgun autoloader to protect my vehicle. Before that, I had my car radio stolen, my dash smashed to smithereens, and the guy left 22 caliber bullets in my car with crack drug paraphernalia(Before my Wrangler). All the while, I lived in a secured, suburban, gated community. One of my second cousins, had been a drug dealer, a Crip, and a holder of stolen car stereos. But, I was blessed with the common sense and intelligence, not to participate in criminal endeavors. I didn't buy their products, but I learned from the inside. In 30 years, since I've had my Viper's, and removable face plates, or pull out stereos, I have never had a radio stolen. So, thank you for your car stereo dealer opinion, but I learned from drug dealers, drug users, and OG Crip gang member relatives.
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Awesome to hear things from another perspective. I can completely understand most of that considering I grew up being in an out of Newark, NJ on a regular basis. My point was only that at least from my experience, the audio manufacturers did have some good reasons for eliminating the detachable faceplate on those specific models. Not sticking up for them by any means, just providing what knowledge I have on the situation.
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Awesome to hear things from another perspective. I can completely understand most of that considering I grew up being in an out of Newark, NJ on a regular basis. My point was only that at least from my experience, the audio manufacturers did have some good reasons for eliminating the detachable faceplate on those specific models. Not sticking up for them by any means, just providing what knowledge I have on the situation.
I respect your opinion. I really like your class in discussing this issue. I'm sure you must agree that most manufacturers consider profit first. Business comes first. If a Chinese or Japanese car stereo can create a removable faceplate with all the modern options, do you believe that an American made product could not? Of course it could, because the most ingenious people come to America for freedom, to create and profit from their creations. Everyone wants to live the American dream.

So, why don't more manufacturers care about audio stereo security? Heck, why don't they build tracking devices into their stereo's? You power up the stereo, it tracks you. I'll tell you why. The technology is clearly there. But, it would hurt the business sales. The drug users are helping car stereo sales.

It's similar to why we don't convert to electric cars, or even air car engines. Because, it would hurt profits for the oil industry. So, we continue to destroy our planet for profit.

Imagine a Jeep built to use air instead of gas. Who could touch it? We could drive through nature and off-road with little foot print. Much like an Elephant. No pollution. But the oil bureaucracies will never allow it. Imagine a 4x4 air engine Jeep. Cut out that grey area around the vehicle below and put on air shocks, off road tires, and let's go climb some rocks. These vehicles are really light too. Great rock climbers.

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