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Old 12-08-2008, 06:36 PM   #1
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Mario's Double DIN radio install

I've wanted to buy a full size in dash DVD/Navigation for a while now and I knew the TJ only had a 1.5 DIN opening in the dash. Well I don't own anything that I havn't modified so why start now.

I like to do things myself not unlike most of the people on this forum. I already have the radio, and I have ordered an antenna extension because the stock TJ antenna barely reaches the stock radio and the antenna input for my new radio is on the other side. I have also ordered the radio harness and some brackets to put an aftermarket Double DIN radio into a 07/08 Wrangler. I'm not sure how well these brackets will work but were going to find out.

Here is a link to the radio on Pioneers website: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ash/AVIC-F90BT

I've taken a few before pictures for reference and I'll take pictures along the way of the things that worked, and the things that didn't.

I know I can get this radio in the Jeep and working, I just don't know how pretty I can make it. I've been wanting to play with fiberglass for a while so I may start here on the center dash cover once the radio is installed. I've called around to a few local shops in South East Michigan and they have all quoted me around $400 to clean up the center dash cover once I installed the radio. I think that's a little much for what needs to be done, but if anyone knows of someone in South East Michigan that has done a lot of custom fiberglass work and will do it for a lot less money let me know.

I should have my brackets and radio harness by Thursday and I plan to have this installed and working this weekend. It might not be pretty, but "in theory" everything will be done other than the fiberglass cleanup work.

Here's some pics to get this started:








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Old 12-08-2008, 09:34 PM   #2
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I do not know what you are planning to do or how you will cut it however how about this?

You take the stock dash and cut it and extend it. You will have to move the vents up a tiny bit but that will be easier then remaking everything all over.


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Good luck with that, becareful when doing the trimming, you may want to go and get an extra trim bezel just in case
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These are the brackets I ordered, there made to install an aftermarket double DIN radio into an 07/08 Wrangler. I know there not going to line up perfect but it's somewhere to start.



I think I'm going to wait to cut anything until I receive the brackets, I wanna see where they line the radio up and go from there. I would like to cut the plastic that's under the stock radio and above the climate controls.

I'm not to worried about hurting the trim, if I damage it I'll pick another up, everything can function without it and I want to get everything installed before I worry about it looking pretty.

This will eventually look like it came from the factory like that, even if I have to pay someone to make it look that way.
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2001 Jeep Wrangler Car Radio Wiring Diagram

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2001 Jeep Wrangler Car Radio Wiring Diagram

Car Radio Constant 12v+ Wire: Pink/White
Car Radio Switched 12v+ Wire: Pink
Car Radio Ground Wire: Chassis
Car Radio Illumination Wire: Orange
Car Stereo Dimmer Wire: Black/Yellow
Left Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): Brown/Red
Left Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Green
Right Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): Blue
Right Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Violet
Left Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Brown/Yellow
Left Rear Speaker Negative Wire (-): Brown/Blue
Right Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Blue/White
Right Rear Speaker Negative Wire (-): Blue/Red

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This is pretty cool. Im psyched to see someone else from MI on here. Where abouts you at? Its too bad your not closer to central michigan because I go to CMU in Mt.Pleasant and I spend a lot of time in the mahcine shop here. We have a baja buggy team and they do a lot of work with fiberglass and Im sure we could have made it look pretty good for ya but that would be a drive. Dont know how much they would charge or if they would at all. Anyway, good luck with the project and I will deff. be following it to see how it comes out.
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This is pretty cool. Im psyched to see someone else from MI on here. Where abouts you at? Its too bad your not closer to central michigan because I go to CMU in Mt.Pleasant and I spend a lot of time in the mahcine shop here. We have a baja buggy team and they do a lot of work with fiberglass and Im sure we could have made it look pretty good for ya but that would be a drive. Dont know how much they would charge or if they would at all. Anyway, good luck with the project and I will deff. be following it to see how it comes out.
I live and work and play in Macomb County, Oakland County, and St. Clair County. I've been up to Mt. Pleasant a couple times to go to Soaring Eagle Casino. Maybe we can get something going some weekend.
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so it turns out i really underestimated swiss creativity! my guy is putting in the double-DIN after all, and it's not even that complicated!

he ordered some kind of metal frame or bezel or something (i haven't seen this part so far, will have to ask him about the specifics tomorrow) which is necessary to hold the headunit and will be screwed right into the interior console frame. he had already removed the lower cross member of the console rack which can be seen in the images above (which i originally thought was solid metal, haha...). this is apparently not necessary to hold things together, at least not if there is some other frame installed for stabilization.

he mounted the GPS antenna for the blackbird unit on top of the odometer "box" where it will be neither visible for the eye, nor blocked from satellite signal since this is only covered by the plastic cover (no metal parts). all the rest shouldn't be too big of a problem, it seems.

as for aesthetics, he will try to cut out the console cover just as much as necessary in order to expose the full surface of the new screen and (where necessary) its third-party bezel. this will not be a perfect solution, but it's a start, and otherwise there's always fiberglass (he even estimated a similar price as you got, emev0l, namely 500 swiss francs or a little over $400 for the work of a specialist). but i'll worry about that later, if at all.

i'll try to post some pics tomorrow.
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by the way, what's a good hosting site for uploading pictures? photobucket? any other recommendations?
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The only thing i dislike about my photobucket account is that if you move a picture from one folder to another, it automatically switches the url so if you come here and post a pic of ur new lift, and then let say later you want to organize your photobucket pictures and create folders and move pics in them, that url you posted here is no longer valid so you get the msg you see around here that says "the image has been moved or deleted"

That aside photobucket has been very good to me.
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The only thing i dislike about my photobucket account is that if you move a picture from one folder to another, it automatically switches the url so if you come here and post a pic of ur new lift, and then let say later you want to organize your photobucket pictures and create folders and move pics in them, that url you posted here is no longer valid so you get the msg you see around here that says "the image has been moved or deleted"

That aside photobucket has been very good to me.
Go with photobucket, like Trip said if you move the picture later it will be gone from anywhere you post it, my advice is to use photobucket and be as organized as possible. For example instead of just throwing a picture in photobucket make a folder called Jeep, then inside that folder make another folder called radio. That way later on when you have 100 pictures all in one folder and you can't find anything your going to start organizing them into folders and kill everything.
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so it turns out i really underestimated swiss creativity! my guy is putting in the double-DIN after all, and it's not even that complicated!

he ordered some kind of metal frame or bezel or something (i haven't seen this part so far, will have to ask him about the specifics tomorrow) which is necessary to hold the headunit and will be screwed right into the interior console frame. he had already removed the lower cross member of the console rack which can be seen in the images above (which i originally thought was solid metal, haha...). this is apparently not necessary to hold things together, at least not if there is some other frame installed for stabilization.

he mounted the GPS antenna for the blackbird unit on top of the odometer "box" where it will be neither visible for the eye, nor blocked from satellite signal since this is only covered by the plastic cover (no metal parts). all the rest shouldn't be too big of a problem, it seems.

as for aesthetics, he will try to cut out the console cover just as much as necessary in order to expose the full surface of the new screen and (where necessary) its third-party bezel. this will not be a perfect solution, but it's a start, and otherwise there's always fiberglass (he even estimated a similar price as you got, emev0l, namely 500 swiss francs or a little over $400 for the work of a specialist). but i'll worry about that later, if at all.

i'll try to post some pics tomorrow.
That's exactly how I plan on doing it, removing the plastic cross member between the radio and climate controls. The radio doesn't actually rest on it. The aftermarket radio will not be as wide so there will be openings, that's why I went with the mounts pictured. My parts are on a truck 150 miles away from me right now so I should get them Thursday at the very latest. I'm going to wait to cut until I get my brackets so I can cut as little away as possible, I may be able to leave a small strip across the lowest part of the cross member. There's no way to show this without removing the whole dash, but the cross member looks like a solid one inch thick piece of plastic, well it's really a thin sheet of plastic that's folded over in front. I'll take a picture after I hack it out of there.
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That's exactly how I plan on doing it, removing the plastic cross member between the radio and climate controls. The radio doesn't actually rest on it. The aftermarket radio will not be as wide so there will be openings, that's why I went with the mounts pictured. My parts are on a truck 150 miles away from me right now so I should get them Thursday at the very latest. I'm going to wait to cut until I get my brackets so I can cut as little away as possible, I may be able to leave a small strip across the lowest part of the cross member. There's no way to show this without removing the whole dash, but the cross member looks like a solid one inch thick piece of plastic, well it's really a thin sheet of plastic that's folded over in front. I'll take a picture after I hack it out of there.
okay, so here's some of the pics i took yesterday. the quality is pretty bad, i only had my phone with me and rather bad light conditions, but you get the idea. at this point, he had already cut out the lower cross member entirely.

looking at the whole situation from my annoyingly theoretical vantage point though, i do think it's a wise idea to try to only cut off as much as really necessary and leave whatever's possible in there in order to give it some extra support (if it'll still be strong enough to support anything at all), but that's gonna be a precision job considering the folded construction you mention. tomorrow i'll try to find out more details about my guy's technique.

i didn't have time to go by there today but i'll try to get some pics of the mounting brackets he's using tomorrow (if they're not already installed). it's possible that he's using the same ones (Wrangler 07/08, right?) you ordered, otherwise i'll find out the make of it.





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I looked at this a while back before I put the jensen bt-1 in, if I was going to put a double din in I would sacrifice the the upper vents, it's easy enough to get vents from a hot rod supplier and they could be routed to the top of the dash which would free up a ton of space and not require cutting of the cross piece under the stock radio. The vent themselves would rotate in their bezels as well as deflect, upside is you could get some serious air flow to the windshield.
Not to mention you could then revert to stock, just mount the vents in/under the change holder up there or just eliminate them. In my opinion if you don't have A/C those vents are a waste of space.
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I have my double DIN radio installed, I also modified the radio to play video and allow you to type in addresses while the car is moving.

I tested it on my way home from work, DVDs work, GPS works, I can control my ipod threw the touch screen.

I did remove the entire plastic cross member under the radio. There was such a small amount left that it did nothing.

I'm still going to have to do something to the dash to make it look pretty, but the install itself was very easy.

Pictures will be up tomorrow.
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got mine in, too (even though, frustratingly, i can't claim to have done it myself...)! it actually looks pretty neat, if not exactly perfect, but it's absolutely fine for the time being. functionality is great, there's GPS and DVD as well as iPod (controlled over touchscreen), USB, extra video in (3-port cinch), and a mini-jack for hooking up something like an old sony tape walkman (you never know).

i'll also try to post pics tomorrow.

@richp: sounds like a good idea, but i still do like my vents (we got some nasty hot and cold weather over here, depending on the season), and there's really nothing missing up front now, and it even looks almost like stock. the screen just comes a little closer to the A/C and heating control, that's all.
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Ok you got them in but we need pics of the finished product
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What R you doing with the old radio/cd player?
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I guess I'm selling it to you?
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Installed and working by this weekend as promised.

Here are the brackets, radio harness, and antenna extension I ordered for the install.



Here is how much I cut out to fit the radio, I'm going to cut out a little more later to get it to fit better.



Here's the radio installed.



Navigation picture.



Everything works great, I really like the radio, I also modified the radio so you can enter in addresses and watch movies while driving(insert safety disclaimer here)

I'm going to trim a little more out of the plastic cross member and play with mounting points a little more. It's secure and doesn't move while I'm driving, I just want to raise it a quarter inch so I wont have to trim as much from the dash cover.

This wasn't very hard, the hard part will be modifying the dash cover to look factory. I'm going to do a little more looking around, might find a local guy to fiberglass it up. I think in the mean time I'm going to order some material and start playing with fiberglass myself. I've been wanting to learn anyway.

I just ordered 4 new Infinity Kappa speakers for the Jeep, 6 1/2" for the sound bar and 5 1/4" for the dash. The sound bar has 5 1/4" speakers from the factory and the dash has 4x6" from the factory. The 6 1/2" are supposed to be a tight fit but work fine but the 5 1/4" dash speakers will need an adapter plate. I found the 5 1/4" adapter plates on ebay for $18 shipped since there so cheap I'll probably just order them instead of making them myself. If anyone out there makes these and will sell them cheaper than that let me know, I'll buy a couple sets. If I do make a set for myself I'm sure I'll make several.

I'll put the speaker install in this thread and keep everyone updated on the dash cover.
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Well now we all know where you live so if we need you to do it for us we can just show up....lol
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lol mine is sitting in my closet, it looks nice there
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I did that mod about a year ago. Sorry about the bad pic, it was with my cell.
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lol mine is sitting in my closet, it looks nice there
Be happy you guys even have one. I have a high tech tape deck....lol
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Well now we all know where you live so if we need you to do it for us we can just show up....lol
That's at one of my rental properties in Clinton Township, MI

Nowhere good to wheel around there

I've got some property an hour north of there, a lot of good mud and some creeks.
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Be happy you guys even have one. I have a high tech tape deck....lol

LOL That's more than I got. I just have am/fm
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I guess I'm selling it to you?
PM me with price. Would it fit a 99 radio harness?

Great job on the double DIN mod. BTW
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better late than never, below are some pics of my double-DIN Ó la TJ.

i'm still not too happy about the exterior finish, that black plastic frame isn't exactly a beauty, it still leaves a little slit open and it makes the radio look way too big, but it was the only quick solution for the time being. i'll have to find a fiberglass solution sometime in the near future to finish it off.

when i do go ahead with the fiberglass, i think i'll replace those weird-looking wanna-be-wood dash and console cover parts with simple black ones, too. when i bought it (in germany) they told me it had been a factory option, but i was very surprised to see that wranglers come with wood interiors, haha...

btw, the brodit iPhone holder is very solid and great to use! the phone just slides in and doesn't budge at all. i can totally recommend that for anyone out there looking (i've tried a few different ones myself and was never satisfied up to now.)


since the factory jeep radio is much wider than the normal DIN-measured aftermarket products, there was a significant gap between the screen and the dash cover. therefore, either side of the black plastic mounting bracket of the old radio have been cut off and reattached in their original location.







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better late than never, below are some pics of my double-DIN Ó la TJ.

i'm still not too happy about the exterior finish, that black plastic frame isn't exactly a beauty, it still leaves a little slit open and it makes the radio look way too big, but it was the only quick solution for the time being. i'll have to find a fiberglass solution sometime in the near future to finish it off.

when i do go ahead with the fiberglass, i think i'll replace those weird-looking wanna-be-wood dash and console cover parts with simple black ones, too. when i bought it (in germany) they told me it had been a factory option, but i was very surprised to see that wranglers come with wood interiors, haha...

btw, the brodit iPhone holder is very solid and great to use! the phone just slides in and doesn't budge at all. i can totally recommend that for anyone out there looking (i've tried a few different ones myself and was never satisfied up to now.)


since the factory jeep radio is much wider than the normal DIN-measured aftermarket products, there was a significant gap between the screen and the dash cover. therefore, either side of the black plastic mounting bracket of the old radio have been cut off and reattached in their original location.









Looks good, I'm glad your going to replace the wood trim. I've got a couple local guys looking at the fiberglass work, if one shoots me a good price I'll let him do it, if not I'll attempt it....
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PM me with price. Would it fit a 99 radio harness?

Great job on the double DIN mod. BTW
Yes the harness will fit from a 1984-present

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