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Old 04-17-2011, 11:14 AM   #1
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My HID lighting experiences....


A few months ago I started investigating some options for lighting upgrades for the TJ. We all know the stock lighting is poor at best. I had already upgraded the battery to a glass matt bat. The alternator is a 165 amp HO alt and all the cables have been upgraded to 1/0.
All of which made no difference to the candle (singular) power of the Jeeps headlights. I had been reading on the www about LED, HID, Silverstars and a few other options. Well I have tried all the voodoo bulbs that have the words "super, plasma and extreme" in them on one of my street bikes years back and although they are whiter and brighter than a stock H4 incandescent bulb. they are no where near in comparison to an HID bulb. My first experience with HID lighting was when I took a new automobile out for a test drive one night. My goodness, what a difference there is to see the roadway and everything else out there at night that we usually do not see because of the limitations of a standard incandescent light bulb. I also currently have Silvester's in my F250 PSD 4x4 and they were an upgrade from stock. Better but not HID. Again, there is no comparison to HID.
Back to the TJ. So after careful consideration and lots of reading and window shopping. I made a few phone calls to gather further information and understanding on topics of Bi-Xenon, digital ballasts and mini ballasts vs, standard size. I ran into a gentleman named Sam who is the owner of highdeflighting.com and he was not only friendly, but helpful and up front. I believed him to be genuine and gave him my business. Remember there are alot of negative reviews out there regarding quality and what not, that's why it took me over a month or so to finally make a decision. I was concerned and wanted to purchase a good reliable product. I didn't want to be one of the unhappy consumers out there.
I felt at ease with Sam and was more than willing to trust him with my HID venture. Most people getting into HID usually just get a low beam kit as there is not always a need to have high beams and people are more concerned about keeping the costs down to a minimum hence buying the standard low beam kits and even shopping at places that are giving them away for ridiculously low prices. First off, if the low price seems to be too good to be true, it usually is not worth it. I believe you get what you paid for. So even though at night I rarely run my high beams in the city, out in the mountains and desert in the night, I would use them more so. So I opted for the Bi-Xenon bulb which actually has a solenoid that allows the bulb to move within the fixture and changes the projected beam from hi to low. They cost a bit more, but then again, whatever suits your needs. Now mind you I am referring to the H4 bulb style. Some vehicles have two different lens housings for their high and low beams, it would be entirely different situation. With the jeep one bulb does it all.
I was nervous about the install, as I am with the first time I tackle any project. But hey, I have changed a bunch of light bulbs in my time and as always just wanted to do it right the first time. Back when I was shopping around at different websites, I stumbled onto some video links to you tube for installations of HID lights in various vehicles. It is great that folks are making videos that will show you how to install just about anything. I have forgotten I actually used one of them to show me how to replace the optical laser in my kids X Box one time. WOW, who would have thought it possible. So never the less. You tube has installation videos and how to's for just about anything.
So with a feeling of confidence I was ready to get this project on the road. I had ordered my HID Bi-xenon conversion kit from highdeflighting.com and it came in the mail in a few short days. I unpacked it and lay-ed it all out to take a look at what I have here and see what kind of instructions came with it. Well the instructions are rather vague and it is a good thing that along with pictures it is basically simple and the connectors for the components are of the type where you can't really do it wrong. Thank god. Of course after viewing many videos I had the basic understanding. I felt good about it and set up my tool cart with hopefully everything I needed to get under way. I might add that with the TJ, I had to completely replace the sealed beam headlights with a new projector prior to the installation of the new HID bulb and kit. That was another egg to crack and much research went into that. You'll see.....
So after removing the sealed beam units from the TJ, I just installed the new HID light bulb assemblies into the projectors prior to installation into the Jeep. No problem. Next I laid out the wiring to see how and where I was going to mount the components. Easy. I like to route my wiring safely to avoid any problems with chafing or pinching later down the road. Once everything was installed it was the moment of truth. Will they light up? Will something blow up? LOL, trust me the though goes through my mind.
I turned on the light switch on the column and.........NOTHING. Great, Just as I figured, I must of screwed up.......
No, wait! I forgot to insert the fuse that had came in the kit. I had made a connection to the battery for the power and left the fuse out while I was working. CRS, you know shit happens. I was relieved to see that it was only a small error on my behalf and no harm was done. Just remember to do this kit upgrade before you suffer completely from CRS.........
I again turned the headlight switch and here they come, warming up within seconds to full brightness during the middle of the day, I can see the beam on my fence. Yeah, it worked, and when I pulled in for high beam, it once again worked. . OK, time to pick up the tools and double check all the wiring and make sure it is secured safely. Now I had to start dialing in the beam patterns.


I have since upgraded my corner light housings to clear and use LED bulbs.

The new front bumper and winch are the latest upgrades. I am now in search of some driving lights LED, HID? As if I really need the additional lighting.

It took a few adjustments, some driving and more adjustments to get it done. I have not been flashed once by an oncoming motorist and I live in a rather large city. I have been driving more at night (because it is fun) lately and am in the dark every morning as I head out to work. Believe it or not, once I get into my 2010 work truck and turn on the lights, I actually have to allow myself some time to get used to the piss poor lighting of regular incandescent bulbs. The first few times I had actually gotten out of work truck to see if the lights were in fact ON. They are so dim compared to HID. You will see what I mean if you ever make the upgrade. Now that I am sold on HID, I have plans to upgrade all my vehicles, I have already completed it on one of my motorcycles also.

BTW all my HID kits are of the 6oook color temperature, just an ever so slight hint of blue. If you go hotter, the blue will be more pronounced and end up even hotter it gets downright purple. The visual advantage also decreases as you go hotter. I am in it for my visual advantage, not so you can see my cool blue or purple headlights

All in all, I couldn't be happier and plan to further upgrade the flock. Sam is a good businessman and will take good care of his customers.
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:07 PM   #2
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Where'd you get the projector housings? and do you have any night time photos of the lights?? Thanks

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^^^^Those aren't projector housings, they appear to be just H4 housings for the jeep. Meaning you run a H4 HID in them, that's how i'm running HID's on my S10 since it came with sealed beam. Just make sure you aim the lights so that you don't blind people, just because people don't flash doesn't mean that it's safe. I love HID's so don't take that the wrong way, and I have HID's in my headlights as well as 2 sets of fogs on my truck. I went with 6000K as well, and I have the bi-xenon HID's in my headlights, so I still have hi and low beams.

From my experience, the best bang for the buck appears to be DDM tuning.
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I've been using HID's now for 2 years and I love them at night. Eventually I plan to do a projector retrofit, but for now, I'm sticking with my current front end.
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do they still light up the road well with the H4 conversion housings? I've been thinking about going HID, but there is so many different mixed reviews.
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I'd like to do a light upgrade also and have leaned toward HIDs ... How hard are they to install? And where is a good place to get them?
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The projectors are Hella's from Quadratec.
http://www.quadratec.com/products/97009_01.htm
They are just a standard H4 housing. I have them aimed well. May not be enginered for HID, but they sure do light up the roadway like its nobody's business. I am happy I made the change.
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The H4 conversion housings with stock bulbs are probably about the same as your stock sealed beams. My experience is with 4x6 housings, but I'm sure they are the same for your round housings. HID's are like 2x as bright or brighter than regular Halogen bulbs.
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The H4 conversion housings with stock bulbs are probably about the same as your stock sealed beams. My experience is with 4x6 housings, but I'm sure they are the same for your round housings. HID's are like 2x as bright or brighter than regular Halogen bulbs.

I find the HID to be insane bright!
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Sorry, I really don't have any currently
I will put camera in Heep for next time.
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^^^I agree, my HID's are a lot brighter than stock as well. They are even better in a good projector housing, but still better than stock bulbs in normal housings.


As far as installation goes, it's almost plug and play, although you should use a relay harness for HID's as they are very tempermental to voltage fluxuations.

And even stock lighting can be improved by using a relay harness.
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I found a few more. When I get a chance to photograph some driving pics. I will.



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^^^I agree, my HID's are a lot brighter than stock as well. They are even better in a good projector housing, but still better than stock bulbs in normal housings.


As far as installation goes, it's almost plug and play, although you should use a relay harness for HID's as they are very tempermental to voltage fluxuations.

And even stock lighting can be improved by using a relay harness.
That is good to know.
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I am not sure how to get a clear photo with my camera without using the flash. I must have snapped a dozen yesterday morning, although they show how bright the light is, they are extremely blurry. I am only posting the three clearest. Unfortunatly they don't do justice to the actual HID experience. I hope it helps a little.




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Where'd you get your lights from? and do you ever have any trouble with oncoming traffic flashing there brights against ur low beams? Thanks!

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The h4 stile bulb is not a true hi/low, if it were it would not be HID, when you flip your brights on all it does is aim the light higher and does not get brighter.

I have done the research as well

A 35w HID is equal to a standard 55w bulb, so keep that in mind as well. 4300k is the whitest HID made, less, and it starts to yellow (like your stock headlights), higher and they start to blue.

My question is, where do you find true projector housings for jeeps. I have only found one set and they are 900$ which is insane and that doesn't come with lube.

I have the 90$ kit off ebay, the HIDs are great, but the housings suck (they say projector headlights, but trust me they are NOT)and put off bad glare, so my lights are aimed down as far as they will go to try and reduce the amount they put off.

I have heard the delta quad bar lights(think that's the right name) have the correct cut off point for the beam. However you can't get just the housings, gotta buy the whole kit.. which would be a waste..

Does anyone know of a true projector headlight housing made for jeeps? As in the 7inch round tj stile.
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^^^I doubt there are any TRUE projector housings for them. Most of the projectors I see for my truck are just a cheap knock off that doesn't actaully work and it's all for looks. Most of the people that I know and have projectors have done a retrofit. There's a few places online that you buy a projector and then you modify a housing to hold it. That's the BEST way to get true HID's that work flawlessly and will be a lot brighter than a HID in a stock housing.
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Where'd you get your lights from? and do you ever have any trouble with oncoming traffic flashing there brights against ur low beams? Thanks!

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And no I have stated numerous times I have had NO one flash me oncoming or otherwise. I have had absolutely no indication that anybody is unhappy with my headlights. I have been driving behind and facing law enforcement in the form of Pasadena Police and California Highway Patrol. No problems, but I couldn't say that you wouldn't have problems.


Folks it is all in the aiming of these lamps and making sure you are not a nuisance to any other drivers. Use common sense.... Did, I just say that?

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The h4 stile bulb is not a true hi/low, if it were it would not be HID, when you flip your brights on all it does is aim the light higher and does not get brighter.

I have done the research as well

A 35w HID is equal to a standard 55w bulb, so keep that in mind as well. 4300k is the whitest HID made, less, and it starts to yellow (like your stock headlights), higher and they start to blue.

My question is, where do you find true projector housings for jeeps. I have only found one set and they are 900$ which is insane and that doesn't come with lube.

I have the 90$ kit off ebay, the HIDs are great, but the housings suck (they say projector headlights, but trust me they are NOT)and put off bad glare, so my lights are aimed down as far as they will go to try and reduce the amount they put off.

I have heard the delta quad bar lights(think that's the right name) have the correct cut off point for the beam. However you can't get just the housings, gotta buy the whole kit.. which would be a waste..

Does anyone know of a true projector headlight housing made for jeeps? As in the 7inch round tj stile.
I am sorry you aren't happy with your projector housings. I have see the prices of the so called true projector housings and they are outrageous. I have read about a few other name brand projectors. I just purchased my hella housings fairly cheap and although they're not true HID housings, they work sufficient enough for me and certainly for the cost.
I know the HID bulb does not get any brighter, but like you said the solenoid moves the HID bulb in the projector and it raises the beam higher off the ground. They do shine further down the roadway in turn lighting up more up ahead. Man, if your HIDs aren't kicking ass, you got some crap! I am happy with mine and that is all that matters!
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Good post, what housings are you running?
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I am sorry you aren't happy with your projector housings. I have see the prices of the so called true projector housings and they are outrageous. I have read about a few other name brand projectors. I just purchased my hella housings fairly cheap and although they're not true HID housings, they work sufficient enough for me and certainly for the cost.
I know the HID bulb does not get any brighter, but like you said the solenoid moves the HID bulb in the projector and it raises the beam higher off the ground. They do shine further down the roadway in turn lighting up more up ahead. Man, if your HIDs aren't kicking ass, you got some crap! I am happy with mine and that is all that matters!
The part of the hids not getting brighter was just a little info for those that don't know or haven't done there research,

also didn't say mine weren't bright. Just need better housings. I'm happy with the lights although I'm sure others ain't, I to have come up behind cops, and had them goin the other way and ain't been bothered.. but that doesn't say much either
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As far as housings go I've looked at ebay and came across these, they claim to be "projector housings" Any input as far as how they may perform with a good set of HID bulbs?

UNIVERSAL 7" ROUND PROJECTOR BLK HEADLIGHTS+CITY LIGHTS | eBay
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also there only running about 30 bucks for the pair of them.
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^^^If you get those, I can ASSURE you that you will be disappointed. Those are NOT true projectors, they are going to be a worse output than stock housings. Just get a good set of CRYSTAL clear H4 housings to use. You'll be a lot happier.
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I like the black reflector part of those housings, but they seemed a little to cheap to be projector housings
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As far as housings go I've looked at ebay and came across these, they claim to be "projector housings" Any input as far as how they may perform with a good set of HID bulbs?

UNIVERSAL 7" ROUND PROJECTOR BLK HEADLIGHTS+CITY LIGHTS | eBay
These are like the ones I have only mine ain't black... never get back they have no reflection, if you get the Chrome backing or crystal ones they will reflect fine ... however they are not projectors and the light shines out the top of the headlights, plenty of light shining out, but lots of glare, mine are aimed down as far as they will go in order to reduce the glare.. I have no complaints as far as seeing at night(hids)... but they have no real beam pattern...

Again tho no matter what if you plan on driving at night never get the ones with the black backing as they have no reflection .. be good for show, but don't do crap on the street
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So I decided for housings im going to get Autopals from ebay, but they offer two different options. Euro style and Diamond cut (such as your E-codes) what is going to be better performing with the set of HID bulbs

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For the price your paying and speaking from experience either go with the deltas or do the Hellas.... you will be happier in the long run.... I did the ebay thing.. although the hids are great, I'm stuck looking for new housings..
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Old 04-21-2011, 05:54 AM   #29
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Somebody's not reading the thread. Please give us another review on the eBay housings after you get them installed.

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do they make HID kits for YJ's if they do i havent seen any

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