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Old 08-17-2007, 08:17 AM   #1
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New Jeep Owner Needs Sound Advice

Hi all. Jeep is an '01 Sahara, but she's my first. Everything appears to be stock and it has CD with the equalizer. Problem is only have two working speakers (one in dash and one in soundbar). Wiring is okay as the working speakers will work if switched. Sub in the console is blown. I need some suggestions and a bit of technical know-how to upgrade this somewhat without spending a bunch of money (would like to stay under $300.00 if possible). I don't need a thumping rig; just something that's decent to listen to.

I've been looking at a Pioneer head unit (DEH-2900 or 3900). I'd probably like to go with 5.25 speakers in dash and soundbar that sound reasonably good but without spending a ton. I checked into the console sub and they're just outrageously ridiculous even if you can find them. Was focusing on a Bazooka tube to put in the back.

An important question I have (beyond hearing any suggestions on particular head units and speakers) is about connecting it up with the least hassle. The head unit will come with a wiring harness. Taking the sub out of the console leaves the wiring that connected it up. Would the sub get hooked into the system right there or does it need to be connected somewhere else? One of the difference between the two head units above is 2 or 3 preouts. Does that have an inpact on hooking it up - making it easier or more difficult.

Thanks. Look forward to your input.

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Old 08-17-2007, 06:56 PM   #2
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getting a new head unit should solve your problem and a pioneer is a good way to start. i just added the DEH-6900UB and i love it. as for speakers i went with a component setup with all new speakerwire throughout the jeep(infinity kappa perfect, about $125 on ebay). in terms of a sub i would suggest getting a new one, and depending on how much space you want to give up. if you are looking at getting something small you can go with the bazooka tube, in my opinion i think they are prices to high for the quality. i think there is no need to go with a sub bigger then 10", again it all depends on the price you want to pay. for $300 you should be able to get a nice headunit and some speakers with good quality. as for a sub you may need to spend a little more. i'll pm you some photos when i get a chance.

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x2 on Pioneer. I have the DEH-5900IB and love it. Put Alpines in sound bar. Huge improvement. I have some brand new still in the box Pioneer 3-way 4x6's for the dash if you're interested. Have the adapter plates too.
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Thanks for the replies. The reason I was focusing on the bazooka is I think I read in one of the threads that it's got it's own amp and I didn't want to have to install a separate one.

If I went that route, could it hook into the factory run wires where the center console came out?
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If you had a sub in console you likely had an amp too. Not sure where that is mounted though. I saw a thread the other day suggest the amp was in the factory head unit. I know that is not the case b/c my OEM head unit is gone in favor of the Pioneer and getting PLENTY of power to the sub, from the factory amp (where ever that is).

Of course w/everything else blown, it may not be working.
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From memory i think the amp thats powering the stock sub is connected to more than just 1 channel so.. does your stock sub actually work at all? I'm guessing your stock cd player is bad and thats why you're having problems. Which speakers work actually? front right left.. rear right left..? Also the stock sub does have an amp. Otherwise the "power" wire wouldn't be needed to start the sub (also called remote amp wire).

Does the sub make any noise at all?

I also got pioneer deh-5900ib.. good stuff.
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The sub was working, just all of the foam busted up. I thought I read that the amp is also contained in the center console. When I unscrewed the sub, it does look like something is inside. A new OEM sub from Mopar is like $250+ so I assumed that the console must also contain the amp.

The front driver speaker works and the rear passenger soundbar speaker works. I switched the known good ones with the ones not working and the good speakers work when switched so the wiring is okay.
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Good to know your wiring is okay. Eliminates a lot of trouble shooting. Corrections are potentially just plug-n-play.

I'm guessing the sub must be at bottom of console b/c I haven't run across mine anywhere and that's the only place I haven't looked.
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Just checked the service manual that I found on one of the forums the other night. The manual refers to it as an "amplified subwoofer" so I guess it's all encased in the black box that I took out of the center console. Says it's rated 40 watts per channel (don't know how many channels - maybe just the sub?). I'll maybe need to get someone to look at the wires that remain to see if a bazooka can be run off of the wires to the back.
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i wish i could tell you but i dont have a stock amp myself so i cant. I'd imagine you should be able to run a bazooka off of it but it will probably be easier just to rerun the wires or something since i'd imagine a bazooka will end up in your trunk.

I myself have a pretty loud kicker setup and i love it so..

Some advice as far as speakers goes.. you will never get the bass you want with mid speakers so get better voice speakers for your front dash and soundbar and then shop for subs..

i myself got a custom setup.. i'm using 2 6x9s in a custom made box for the rear and i got the stock soundbar in front.. its so much better but after i added the sub it really felt alive.
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I upgraded from the soundbar to factory sound pods and then put the same Alpine 5.25" 3-ways in them and they sound fantastic. Had the same spkrs in the factory soundBAR and sounded lousy. The plastic pods and single enclosures make them sound tons better than the old free air sound bar. I would assume the pods with 6.5" would sound even better. IMO of course.

Most vehicle sound systems are designed with larger spkrs in the front and the rears just accent (fill in). In the TJ, it's opposite. The rear (sound bar/pods) is the main sound with larger speaker. Nice dash spkrs are a big help to fill out the sound, but IMO, the pods/bar makes the biggest difference - IMO of course. Of course, a sub makes the biggest difference. Without wasting good mod money on an expensive system, you can get some nice $100 5.25-6.00" spkrs for soundbar (or upgrade to pods) and round that off with a cheap sub and that's about as good as you'll get in a Jeep. After all, it's not exactly a superiour acoustic chamber we're dealing with.
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After all, it's not exactly a superiour acoustic chamber we're dealing with.
Unless you have a hard top Keep in mind once you get a subwoofer you wont need the regular speakers to make lows so you can shut the lows off so the regular speakers aren't rattling their little cones off.
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Unless you have a hard top .
True, with my HT on, it's 100x better sound - but still doesn't sound nearly as good as the factory premium stereo in my 06 Lariat.

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Keep in mind once you get a subwoofer you wont need the regular speakers to make lows so you can shut the lows off so the regular speakers aren't rattling their little cones off.
Yep, and w/the Pioneer you can adjust the frequency range for each set of spkrs.
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:05 AM   #14
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Wink a few suggestions....

1. The stock sub on my unit worked, but was blown also (foam all degraded, and not holding the paper anymore). I pulled it all apart and removed the sub, then got some silicon adhesive from an auto parts store (something that will flex a little), and ran a bead (or two) of silicon around the edge of the speaker, making sure I got glue (silicone) on both the paper of the speaker, and the edge of the speaker (or existing foam). My foam was seperated, but not totally destroyed. It's been a year now, and it still sounds good.

2. Call crutchfield, or visit their web site. They should be able to help you with the whole stock sub thing. My experience in my 02 sahara is that the amp (which is just some sort of small circuit board in the sub housing with the sub speaker itself) prevents you from just swapping out the speaker with a new one. I'm really surprised no one makes a replacement. As bad as those speakers are, you'd think someone would make a replacement that's affordable.

3. Search here for 'factory sub' or over at jeepforum.com and look for people who've experienced the same thing. I see a lot of folk by a replacement console from Quadratec or 4wd.com, and put their own sub in, and mount a small amp under a seat or something. The factory console would probably hold an aftermarket speaker, but you won't be using the factory amp thing (circuit card).

You best bet, is to use some elbow grease, remove that console, and do what I did and silicone adhesive that foam back to the paper part of the speaker. You won't spend but 5 bucks, if that, you'll have the satisfaction of doing it yourself. It may go bad again, so do a good job, and don't be afraid to be 'liberal' with the adhesive, just watch the 'height' of the bead you put around the speaker, so it still sits as flush as possible with the housing once it's put back inside. (I apologize that I didn't take any pics when I did it to show you . I should have). You can also use a common screw driver, and smear the silicone out like you are putting frosting on the edge of a cake. Get it on the frame of the speaker, get it all over the edge of the paper, it's fine, as long as it's still a little flexible. There's a bezel ring in there that goes around the edge of the speaker. I didn't try to glue that down. but I did remove the fabric that was in there for a speaker cover. It was a mess, and far as I could tell, not doing anything worthwhile.

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Old 08-18-2007, 10:08 AM   #15
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what size is the stock amp for the center console sub?

i need to know for myself =X
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Size of amp?

Size? Are you asking about wattage? Who knows. If you are talking physical size, it's about 3 or 4 inches I'm guessing. It's a small little box, inside the sub console itself. You wouldn't even believe it's a sub, but that, along with a 'four wire' connection (that's right, not two!), you can't just swap out that speaker.

Honestly, dumbest 'sound' system thing I've ever seen. Someone @ Daimler-chrysler needs to be slapped!
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Sub in the factory console is 6.5. I think if I'm doing all of the other speakers I'll go with a new sub. Thanks for all of the input.
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+1 on Crutchfield...

when you input your vehicle (as i did on my 06 TJ) it will ask you which system you have, and then they'll recommend components that you can add on as you go....

plus they send all the gear (least in my situation they did) you need such as harnesses, directions, even call them up on the 1-800 for extra help with a real live person!!!!

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