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Old 11-29-2013, 10:52 PM   #31
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Here's the proof that there is room under the back seat.
The confusion came because you said the above statement with the pic, which was useless because the pic is not showing the speakers as mounted Under the seat rather on the back.

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:53 PM   #32
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Wait so those are in the back of the upright seat? Im confused. So theyre not downfiring then but firing towards the tailgate?
Are we confused yet? I wasn't but I'm getting that way now. lol.

Okay, now, I see what you mean. No, they are on the bottom of the seat, but the seat is spun around. So, the back, you see, is actually the front. This way they can show you the bottom of the seat.

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:59 PM   #33
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The confusion came because you said the above statement with the pic, which was useless because the pic is not showing the speakers as mounted Under the seat rather on the back.
Aye yi yi. I thought you had it figured out correctly. Or, are you just trying to confuse everyone else. lol

They are shown as mounted under the seats. But, you couldn't see them if they were mounted under the seat. So, the photographer took the seat out and repositioned it, so you could see them. Are we having fun yet? lol.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #34
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Why couldnt you see them if they were mounted under the seat and the seat was flipped forward? Do the older tjs rear seat not fold and flip forward?
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:16 PM   #35
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Why couldnt you see them if they were mounted under the seat and the seat was flipped forward? Do the older tjs rear seat not fold and flip forward?
I give up. Now, I'm confused. All I know for sure is that you can see the little bolts sticking out on the sides. Not the big ones. The little ones normally latch to the brackets in the picture at the bottom of the tub, as seen in the picture. They are now on top, so the seat is unlatched from the bracket. You can now lift the seat out. I can check it tommorrow about the flip forward, but I remember that it does. I just haven't looked at what happens to the bottom of the seat after it flips forward. So, now I'm confused. Sorry.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:19 PM   #36
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From what I see in the pic the subs are mounted in the back of the seat, not the bottom. If you fold and tumble a back seat you will in fact see the bottom of the seat. The fact this seat had to be removed from the bracket and spun around proves the speakers are mounted in the back of the seat and not in the bottom.

I ride with my back seat tumbled 99% of the time and can tell you those subs ARE NOT mounted in the bottom but rather the back.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:43 PM   #37
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From what I see in the pic the subs are mounted in the back of the seat, not the bottom. If you fold and tumble a back seat you will in fact see the bottom of the seat. The fact this seat had to be removed from the bracket and spun around proves the speakers are mounted in the back of the seat and not in the bottom.

I ride with my back seat tumbled 99% of the time and can tell you those subs ARE NOT mounted in the bottom but rather the back.
But, what about the material around the subwoofers. Isn't that bottom seat material?

I'm sorry, I'm just NOT going outside at 10 o'clock at night, just to flip my back seat. LMAO!
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:55 PM   #38
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I don't think we have enough information to make a conclusion because the other thing I don't see here is a release latch which would be near the center edge of either the top or bottom of what we're looking at. I'm leaning towards this being from something other than a TJ.
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Old 11-30-2013, 12:53 AM   #39
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Here's the proof that there is room under the back seat.

im not sure what year or model of jeep this is . but its for sure the bottom of the seat . The back of the seat is folded and the seat is folded up. I have seen this seat before in a jeep but i am not sure what model it is
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Old 11-30-2013, 12:53 AM   #40
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Those black pieces in the seat sticking up lock into the floor
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Here's the thread that the mod came from along with a write up on how to do it. Just in case anyone wants to build the mod themselves. There is also a guy who put 4-10" subwoofers in his Jeep on this thread. It looks just plain wicked.

Subwoofer inside of a Jeep Wrangler rear seat - Page 5


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Old 11-30-2013, 07:39 AM   #42
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As for the OP, here's your Pioneer low profile sub. Zero Profile. Same Thread as above.

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That is awesome!!!
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Exactly. It's spun around 180 degrees clockwise.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:00 AM   #44
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You can't say I'm wrong unless everyone has the same constitutions, and they don't. Some people get sick in airplanes, I don't. But, I do get queasy and headaches listening to hard pumping gangsta rap. I also get car sick easily. Everyone has different feelings. Some people don't get car sick easily. Some people can spin around on amusement park rides and not get sick. I have been in cars with crazy subwoofer systems and I got sick. I've raced BMW's in my 1967 GTA Convertible Mustang which I modified for street racing, and I killed a BMW. So, just because BMW does something doesn't make it the best. That goes for Ferrari too. So, I'm not wrong. It depends on each individual person's preferences and tolerances. Your statement here confirms my point. If you up fire a sub, you can't hear it with the top off. I don't know what you mean about not being able to down fire them in the back seat. If you mount them inside the back seat, there is plenty of room to down fire them. I've seen it done. And, the space required for a sub woofer is the same up or down. You can also down fire them under the front seat. It is just a matter of engineering since you only need 1-2 inches of open space below them. If you mount them in a square box, that is going to cost room. If you mount them behind 1" plywood, that is also going to cost room. You could for example, cut out a tight circular hole in the back and push the magnet flush with the plywood. Therefore, you could save one inch of space that way. There are also low profile subwoofers that can be used to save even more room. Like I said, it is just a matter of engineering. Don't get me wrong though. I am not disrespecting your setup. It looks nice and it is a good idea. It is just not my preference. It may work for you, and it may work for someone else. If you are happy with it, that's great, and I'm happy for you. That's all that should matter for you. It just isn't for me. When I sit in my living room, I don't have my subwoofer underneath me. That would be really uncomfortable. I'm sorry but that is just the way I feel. And, I'm not wrong about my personal feelings. I'm entitled to have my own personal feelings. I mean all of this in a peaceful, friendly manner. It is just a difference of opinion.
Thanks for the explanation of your queazy constitution, that helps me understand a little better why you criticized my install in an open forum. You are basing everything on an opinion based on no experience. You haven't tested under seat subs in a JK so you have no basis to bash a set-up unless you try it. I give you some facts: Sundown's woofer surround sticks up an inch and has over an inch of full travel so down firing under a front seat is impossible. You cannot get enough volume in the box and leave 2+ inches under the box. I am pushing the spacial limits to get .55 cu ft under my JK seats.

You rip my front seat installation yet your subs are mounted INSIDE the back seat vibrating the hell out of anyone back there. While I think this is an ingenious way to incorporate subs, you contradict yourself and your install isn't even applicable to a JK.

I said I based my design on what BMW is doing in their $80k + sedans, not race cars from 1967. I didn't say it was the best, I didn't say anything of the kind. I just said I based it on the design and improved upon it by using a larger woofer, with more power handling and deeper bass capability.

There are companies like Aura and Buttkicker that make seat Vibrators to reinforce bass in home theater and car stereo installations. One of the fastest growing innovations in commercial theaters is D-Box technology which vibrates the seats to give you a more realistic feel. It may not be for you but I have Buttkickers in all of my home theater seats and I have not had anyone visit yet that doesn't love the effect.

You are giving people advice based on your installation in a TJ. It is a very different vehicle than the JK. I have had 30+ people PM me about the under seat subs and have politely told the TJ owners that I can't help them out because I don't know their vehicles. I do know my JK inside and out. In the one year I have owned it, I have tried two different head units, 4 different amps. Three different woofers mounted in three different locations and I am sharing my experiences. I can tell you that of the three locations I have tested: under the front seats is best, under the back seats was second best and in the back was worthless with the top off. I haven't spent any time ripping someone else's installation like you did.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:09 AM   #45
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Matt mad props on the underseat boxes. Bass up front is very sought after in the audio competition scene. Also I had a 2006 titan that had the sub under the front seat also. Yours is one of the best underseat applications I have seen and Sundown makes some nice subs. I almost used their SD10s myself

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Old 12-02-2013, 11:12 AM   #46
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Thanks for the explanation of your queazy constitution, that helps me understand a little better why you criticized my install in an open forum. You are basing everything on an opinion based on no experience. You haven't tested under seat subs in a JK so you have no basis to bash a set-up unless you try it. I give you some facts: Sundown's woofer surround sticks up an inch and has over an inch of full travel so down firing under a front seat is impossible. You cannot get enough volume in the box and leave 2+ inches under the box. I am pushing the spacial limits to get .55 cu ft under my JK seats.

You rip my front seat installation yet your subs are mounted INSIDE the back seat vibrating the hell out of anyone back there. While I think this is an ingenious way to incorporate subs, you contradict yourself and your install isn't even applicable to a JK.

I said I based my design on what BMW is doing in their $80k + sedans, not race cars from 1967. I didn't say it was the best, I didn't say anything of the kind. I just said I based it on the design and improved upon it by using a larger woofer, with more power handling and deeper bass capability.

There are companies like Aura and Buttkicker that make seat Vibrators to reinforce bass in home theater and car stereo installations. One of the fastest growing innovations in commercial theaters is D-Box technology which vibrates the seats to give you a more realistic feel. It may not be for you but I have Buttkickers in all of my home theater seats and I have not had anyone visit yet that doesn't love the effect.

You are giving people advice based on your installation in a TJ. It is a very different vehicle than the JK. I have had 30+ people PM me about the under seat subs and have politely told the TJ owners that I can't help them out because I don't know their vehicles. I do know my JK inside and out. In the one year I have owned it, I have tried two different head units, 4 different amps. Three different woofers mounted in three different locations and I am sharing my experiences. I can tell you that of the three locations I have tested: under the front seats is best, under the back seats was second best and in the back was worthless with the top off. I haven't spent any time ripping someone else's installation like you did.
I can see that you are real sensitive about your install. People criticize and say they don't like my mods, and I don't get upset about it. If you post something in an open forum, I'm sorry to say, you may not get 100% positive feedback. But, I did say that I liked the concept, and I tried to give constructive feedback. Still, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
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I can see that you are real sensitive about your install. People criticize and say they don't like my mods, and I don't get upset about it. If you post something in an open forum, I'm sorry to say, you may not get 100% positive feedback. But, I did say that I liked the concept, and I tried to give constructive feedback. Still, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
It's not the criticism, it's spewing advice based off the lack of experience and/or facts to support what you're saying. It's frustrating for those who are, or have been, in the industry and recognize you have no idea what you're talking about.

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It's not the criticism, it's spewing advice based off the lack of experience and/or facts to support what you're saying. It's frustrating for those who are, or have been, in the industry and recognize you have no idea what you're talking about.
I think you are twisting around what I said. I was talking about criticism of my mods, and how it doesn't upset me. But, you've twisted that around to something totally different. Are you confused about what I said? Or, are you saying that I have no experience in doing things in life, and therefore I should accept everyone else's criticism, but not have any opinion myself?

I have never been one to think like the crowd. I tend to look at things from a more introspective approach. If I see any opinion, I have to understand how that opinion agrees with the scientific information.

For example, if some says that low powering a speaker can blow it out. I have to think, why? How would this be true?

I would then think, "Well, if the speaker had a lot of distortion, then it might blow out."
But, if you had clean power it wouldn't. Therefore, the speaker isn't blowing out from under-powering it, it is blown out from the distortion.

I am a scientist, I need scientific data to draw conclusions. I cannot accept that the world is flat, just because everyone says it is flat. I can't go from point A to point C, without point B.
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It's not the criticism, it's spewing advice based off the lack of experience and/or facts to support what you're saying. It's frustrating for those who are, or have been, in the industry and recognize you have no idea what you're talking about.
. This. Especially the advice based on no real experience or facts. I'm not sensitive at all about my install if you come and listen to it before you criticize or make outlandish statements.
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