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Old 07-24-2009, 04:11 PM   #1
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Pop goes the woofer (pics)

OK, so I decided to get my subs & amp installed. I just pulled the subs from my basement and check this out (pics).

The left 10" Orion is caved in. This happened like 5 years ago and continued working. But now I just discovered a tiny pinhole through the middle of the speaker. I dont know when this happened.

Is the pinhole a big problem?

Also, the box is JUST too large to fit in the small space behind the backseat of my '03 Wrangler. Would I be able to split each speaker into separate, smaller boxes and run them both off of a 1-channel amp (Orion Extreme 400)?

If not, can anyone recommend a smaller all-in-one type of amp/sub that fits well in the Jeep?

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Old 07-24-2009, 05:25 PM   #2
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Depending on where the pinhole is, you can just place a dab of your GF's/wife's clear fingernail polish over it. You can split them into two boxes, just make sure they are wired together the same way they are in the single enclosure... like either in parallel or in series with each other.

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Subs in small space

these are picks of 2 RF Punch 8inch subs, in seperate boxes..
mount amp on back of one box - fits in back of seat with very little space left, one pic shows the left side (drivers) sub is sitting flat as it should while the other is shown standing on its side.

cant remember where i got the boxes from, but it took forever to find boxes to fit 8 inch subs.. (just not that popular)

but with an aftermarket Blaupunkt radio and aftermarket speakers the small 8 inch subs are more than enough to add bass to your ride.


hope this helps.. ill look for a site that sells boxes.. got mine off internet from some ebay company, took forever to ship and they never answer phone when you call.. ( thought for a while i was getting ripped off) but finally then came and worked out great.. sturdy boxes and have plenty of space to get a nice deep pound out of the subs..
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Depending on where the pinhole is, you can just place a dab of your GF's/wife's clear fingernail polish over it. You can split them into two boxes, just make sure they are wired together the same way they are in the single enclosure... like either in parallel or in series with each other.
A tiny dab of hobby grade CA Glue works great as well.
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Old 07-24-2009, 10:30 PM   #5
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sorry, here's the pics that never posted:
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Old 07-24-2009, 10:37 PM   #6
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Thanks everyone for the info. And thanks Rag for taking the time to post pics.

I like the idea of splitting the boxes. I just have no idea how to open up the current box or re-wire new boxes. Since I already own all the equipment I was hoping to save money on this system but that doesn't seem to be possible. My wife is gonna kill me - Im dropping cash on new wheels and tires this week too!

Thanks again. I think I might sell these subs, keep the amp, and find a small bazooka-type sub that I can put behind the drivers seat. It's a shame too cause the Orions did me right for 10 years and they sounded great.
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you should be able to fit those 10's in there, just need smaller boxes..
using a smaller box will effect the sub a little bit, they need a certain amount cubic space to reflex correctly, but u should still get a good deep sound.
(the center cones being pushed in is not really a biggie, still have good sound as long as you plug the hole like the guys said.. you should be able to pull the subs out and rewire the subs into a new box. its not hard at all, i did it and im no elecrician, plus you know all the gang here will help any way they can..

good luck and let us know how it goes.. post some picks once you get your new rims and tires on.. i just had that done to mine last week and a lift as well.. love the way it looks now... like a whole new jeep to me..
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Thanks Rag. Now that it's turned into a project Im going to have to put it on hold for a month. We're taking the Jeep to Florida (from Philly) so I need the tires NOW. I have a death wobble and Im hopefully new tires, alignment, and brakes are going to solve that.

By the way, my current tires are P225 75 R15. If I want to KEEP the wheels and move up to a 31" tire, what size do I need to buy?

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Thanks Rag. Now that it's turned into a project Im going to have to put it on hold for a month. We're taking the Jeep to Florida (from Philly) so I need the tires NOW. I have a death wobble and Im hopefully new tires, alignment, and brakes are going to solve that.

By the way, my current tires are P225 75 R15. If I want to KEEP the wheels and move up to a 31" tire, what size do I need to buy?

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not exactly sure, i went from stock wheels 15x7 to 15x8.. i think you can do 31s on the 15x7 they just wont be sticking out past the fender flares.
wherever you have them mounted will know for sure.. check with tire discounters if one is in your area.. they have pretty decent deals and good name brand tires..
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not exactly sure, i went from stock wheels 15x7 to 15x8.. i think you can do 31s on the 15x7 they just wont be sticking out past the fender flares.
wherever you have them mounted will know for sure.. check with tire discounters if one is in your area.. they have pretty decent deals and good name brand tires..
Rag, are you saying the 15x8 is what causes the wheel to be slightly offset?
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Rag, are you saying the 15x8 is what causes the wheel to be slightly offset?
All other dimensions remaining the same, a 15x8 protrudes 1" further out of the wheel well than a 15x7 wheel will. But the dimension that is most responsible for how a wheel is positioned in/out of the wheel well is its backspacing. A 15x8 wheel with 4.5" of backspacing sits 1" closer to the center of the Jeep than a similar 15x8 wheel with 3.5" of backspacing.

Backspacing is that distance between the back edge of the wheel and its mounting flange the lug nuts pass through. Factory wheels have a lot of backspacing, 5.25" or 5.5", so those wheels don't protrude at all. Aftermarket wheels generally always have less backspacing so they will protrude out of the wheelwell further.

Don't confuse Backspace with Offset, those are two different types of measurements of a wheel and the terms are not interchangeable. Backspacing is a term more useful for Jeep wheels, Offset is a term more useful for car and sports car wheels.
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Rag, are you saying the 15x8 is what causes the wheel to be slightly offset?

yeah what JB said.. yeap my tires stick out 1 inch past the wheel well, which in my opinion it looks better, fills out the wheel well pretty good..
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Does it matter that I have fender flares?

Also, does it matter that I get a really bad death wobble sometimes? Would you recommend staying closer to stock because of the wobble? Or might the wider stance help with stability?

Attached is a pic. Im planning on keeping the suspension stock. So if I got 15x8 wheels with 31" tires, would I be ok?

Thanks again boys. You guys have been a tremendous help.
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I also wanted to post this pic...check out how uneven the wear is on the tread. The insides of these tires (left side of tire) has plenty of tread left, while the outside of the tire is worn to nothing.
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Also, does it matter that I get a really bad death wobble sometimes? Would you recommend staying closer to stock because of the wobble? Or might the wider stance help with stability?
I'd recommend finding the source of the DW and fixing it so you won't have to worry about it any more.

First, make sure your track bar is SOLID and not moving. If its axle-end mounting bolt is loose, the mounting bolt hole is wallowed out, or the track bar's bushing is worn, that can allow DW to develop. Next and a common co-contributor to DW that often works with a loose trackbar in tandem to produce DW is simply a tire that is imperfectly balanced or has a problem that is making it out of round. Have your tires perfectly balanced and make sure the tire balancing jock knows they have to be "perfect" not just "good enough". Those two are the most common causes of DW.

Bad toe-in can also encourage DW but tires that are not perfectly balanced coupled with a trackbar that isn't tight enough are the two most common causes. And simply push/pulling on the trackbar to see if it feels loose won't work as it can be way too tight to be moveable by your hands but still loose enough that it allows DW to occur.
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I used to do it like this.. But then again, I was 21 when I did it, now these things aren't that important to me anymore.. Drove it like that for 3-4 months or so, then ditched it..

FIRST: 300W double coil



Alpine V12 mounted under the rear seat so it stays hidden. It was mounted on spacers so the eventual water wouldn't dip it..





Then that was too weak.. So my buddy (on the pic here) made me woofer box for this Pioneer







As I said.. BTDT.. Didn't want to worry about anything or anyone messing with my interior when I'm not around.. Giving a thief a reason to open it..










After that I made a custom sound bar.. Well.. It was great but I ditched the amp out so I didn't need it any more..




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