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Old 09-26-2013, 07:54 PM   #1
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Speaker upgrade

Would like to do a complete audio upgrade in my 13' wrangler unlimited. I will be replacing the head unit with the pioneer app radio 3 but I'm a little stuck on picking out speakers. So does anyone have any suggestions on some good quality speakers?

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Ps I have the standard audio system (no sub)

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:26 PM   #2
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i like the infinity kappa perfect components, great sound for the price. a lot of people go with the polk or kicker speakers, it all depends on your budget.

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Money is not really a issue I'm a firm believer on doing things right the first time so that way hopefully with the Bette quality there are no problems and you don't have any regrets later on. Do any of these fit right into the factory inserts?
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Are you putting in an amp? What about a sub?
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If you are going to amp it, I highly recommend Focal or Rainbow components. Great pricing on both options. Might be overkill for a rig... but if you are running a hard top it's worth it.
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If needed I can run a amp to and sub is still up in the air but if I'm going to be putting a amp in then might as well right? I run a hard top during the winter and a soft during the summer.
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i say to go get it done right the first time go with a set of components, amp, and sub. these speakers are new on the market from Incriminator Audio who makes amazing stuff. if you are looking to add a sub i have something that might work sitting around that i dont need.
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Yea I do wanna do it right the first time that's why I want to find out what some of the better speakers are on the market
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:18 PM   #9
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go with a set of components, focal makes nice stuff, the infinity kappa and kappa perfect, kicker has a decent set of high end components.. i have always been happy with the infinity kappa perfect components, they dont put out much bass but thats what the sub is for.
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Seems to be many different type of focal components which ones should I look at?
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The performance ps series hold up nice.
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Seems to be many different type of focal components which ones should I look at?
I'm using the Access line which are a step up from entry level and sound great in an open air Jeep environment. They have carbon fiber cones and aluminum done tweeters so they are at least a little resistant to moisture. I have owned the Polyglass line and the Kevlar line in the past. Kevlars are second to none but need about 150wpc and very expensive.
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I wouldn't go with the Infinity Kappa's if you are going to add an amp. I would check the RMS on your chosen amp and make sure you get RMS speakers than can handle the amp.

It's horrible to buy one set of speakers, and then when you add a amp, you find out that you need a different set of speakers. I found this out myself, when I brought the Infinity Kappas. They were only 55RMS, and they blew out fast with my 100RMS amp.

Infinity Kappas may be decent speakers for a head unit alone. But, not with a powerful amp.
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I wouldn't go with the Infinity Kappa's if you are going to add an amp. I would check the RMS on your chosen amp and make sure you get RMS speakers than can handle the amp. It's horrible to buy one set of speakers, and then when you add a amp, you find out that you need a different set of speakers. I found this out myself, when I brought the Infinity Kappas. They were only 55RMS, and they blew out fast with my 100RMS amp. Infinity Kappas may be decent speakers for a head unit alone. But, not with a powerful amp.

I swapped out mine with Sony 4-way speakers marked down $20 a pair from $69. They sound great.
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A VERY key specification you need to keep in mind when selecting speakers is the speaker's Sensitivity rating... especially so if you would rather not have to also buy an auxiliary amplifier.

The speaker's Sensitivity rating is, literally, how many watts it requires to drive it to the voume you like to listen at. A speaker with an 88 dB (decibel) Sensitivity rating, for example, requires twice as much power as a speaker with a 91 dB Sensitivity rating.

The Sensitivity rating you need if you don't want to have to buy an auxiliary amplifier is at least 90 dB. Many speakers are down in the low eighties & they would be totally inappropriate. Without an auxiliary amplifier, it'd be impossible to provide enough power to a speaker with a Sensitivity rating in the eighties so it'd sound good.

One brand of speaker that sounds very good that has a high Sensitivity rating is the Polk DB series which typically has something like a 92 dB Sensitivity rating. There are others with high sensitivity ratings like that but Polk is easily found and very reasonably priced.
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So I think I'm going to go with the infinity kappas and I've actually decided to go with the pioneer 8500 instead because of the ability to remove the interface. Nice feature to have when you park the jeep with the top down(in my opinion). So I have a couple of questions about these speakers

1. Do these speakers plug right into the factory wiring?
2.do the kappa tweeters fit in the stick tweeter housing?
3. This is all work I am capable of doing myself but is it worth it for warranty purposes being that my jeep is new with only 6,000 miles on it to have a certified installer do it just so god forbid something happens to the truck somewhere and they say it's voided because of the radio?

Thanks for all the help everyone!
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So I think I'm going to go with the infinity kappas and I've actually decided to go with the pioneer 8500 instead because of the ability to remove the interface. Nice feature to have when you park the jeep with the top down(in my opinion). So I have a couple of questions about these speakers

1. Do these speakers plug right into the factory wiring?
2.do the kappa tweeters fit in the stick tweeter housing?
3. This is all work I am capable of doing myself but is it worth it for warranty purposes being that my jeep is new with only 6,000 miles on it to have a certified installer do it just so god forbid something happens to the truck somewhere and they say it's voided because of the radio?

Thanks for all the help everyone!
I wouldn't go with the Infinity Kappa if you "ever" plan to add an amp in the future. I made that mistake myself. Luckily, I only had to pay for one pair of speakers in that upgrade. The CDT's are much better in sound and they are 90watts RMS, instead of the 45RMS Infinity's. And they are 91db sensitivity. The CDT's have a smoother sounding "silk" tweeter, and they give better bass response. You really need to hear how smooth these CDT's sound in comparison to the Infinity's. And, then you have speakers ready for any amp upgrade with the CDT's in the future. I am running the Alpine PDX-V9 amp(100RMS per speaker+500RMS sub), and the CDT's handle it with no problem. The most my ears can stand is 60watts and this no where near the handling capacity of the CDT. My Infinity's blew out.

CDT Audio CL-5EX 5.25" Coaxial Speakers - Vertex Audio
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kappa's are not that great but the kappa perfect components are one of my top choices

1.no, you can get a wire harness to plug into the factory plug to make the connections(usually free from crutchfield)

2. i believe they will. my kappa perfects's came with 3 different tweeter mounts.

3. im not sure about the warranty, just to be careful i would contact the dealer first but i have never heard of warranty issues from a headunit install.
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Correction: From what I've read the 2013 Wrangler has 6.5 all around, not 5.25 like the earlier Wranglers. So, the CDT 6.5 is even better and it is 110watts RMS. No clean amp will blow those speakers. And they are 91.3db sensitivity.

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kappa's are not that great but the kappa perfect components are one of my top choices

1.no, you can get a wire harness to plug into the factory plug to make the connections(usually free from crutchfield)

2. i believe they will. my kappa perfects's came with 3 different tweeter mounts.

3. im not sure about the warranty, just to be careful i would contact the dealer first but i have never heard of warranty issues from a headunit install.
Components must be installed in different locations. So, installation is going to be much more complicated. If you have components and coaxials, it is going to complicate things. And the sound is not going to balanced because you won't have central sound locations. Placing tweeter all over the place, is going to complicate the installation, and you will need to decide where to put them for the best balanced sound. It's easier to stay with Coaxials unless you want to experiment with moving tweeters all over the place, and then try to install them in those locations.

As far as installation, you can just cut the speaker wires of the old speaker(near the speaker), and crimp or solder in new wires. Depending on the connector at the speaker, it might be a clean swap.

The only point you really need a harness is at the HU.
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WOW THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP ChasUGC! So for those CDT speakers does that company make tweeters that will work in the wrangler?
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WOW THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP ChasUGC! So for those CDT speakers does that company make tweeters that will work in the wrangler?
Yes, the tweeters and speakers work in a Wrangler. They actually sell coaxials and components, but the coaxials are easiest to install.

The set of coaxials that I got from them were actually a combination of coaxial and component. You could remove the tweeter, or you could leave it attached to the woofer. This way, you actually had the option to make it a component or leave it as a coaxial.

I think a lot of CDT's are made with this option. Some are components alone, and some are optional coaxials. How can you tell?

Well, normally you'll see two different speakers in the same shot. Or you can call and ask if the speaker has this option. It is quite an in-genius idea.
You can see it in the picture below. The tweeter is actually on a metal stalk and it screws into the housing inside the woofer. Or, you screw in a supplied plug, and the tweeter is separately wired for installation elsewhere.

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WOW THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP ChasUGC! So for those CDT speakers does that company make tweeters that will work in the wrangler?
I gave you the link above for the specific speakers that work in your 6.5 speaker holes for your 2013 Wrangler(Post#19). It's the 110Watt RMS speakers. And, you're welcome. Glad to help.

Five star amazon review here with 10 raters.
http://www.amazon.com/Cl-6ex-CDT-Aud.../dp/B001MSTA0A
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I just found out that CDT also sells a bass enhanced speaker for even more bass for usage without the subwoofer for your 6.5 speaker size. Note that this still doesn't mean that you get subwoofer response. It just means that you get better enhanced bass. And this speaker is rated at 160watts RMS!

CDT AUDIO CL-6CXMB 6.5" Bass Enhanced 2-way Coaxial Speakers
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Ok so which should I go with or should I go with a set if each? And those are coaxials don't I want components since I already have the tweeters in the dash? Also with the components to I I also need to install a crossover?
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Ok so which should I go with or should I go with a set if each? And those are coaxials don't I want components since I already have the tweeters in the dash? Also with the components to I I also need to install a crossover?
It depends on your current setup. But, whatever 6.5 speaker you get, always get four of the same. This way you get the best balance.

Now, what I've seen and heard are differing in information. I've seen the Infinity component speaker both in the same enclosure.

I've heard that the tweeters are in the dash, and the woofers are in the door panels. Since, I don't have the 6.5 nor, that year wrangler, I am not sure about your particular setup. It would be easiest if both components were just mounted in the same place. But, I fear this is not the case.

With most of the good component speakers, the crossover is included with the speaker. At least in my experience with the CDT.

You will have to let me know about your particular speaker setup.
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After a little more research, I have more knowledge. CDT does make a convertible 6.5 speaker as well, and it is 130watts RMS. This will satisfy any 100wattx500watt amp such as the super awesome Alpine PDX-V9. With this speaker, you would just mount the 6.5 as coaxials in your sound bar. Then, you would just remove the tweeter for your dash and mount the woofer component in your door panel, if this is the way your speakers are setup. Having the exact same speakers, are going to give you awesome balanced sound. Here is the picture with all the different included options. You can see the metal stalk comes off, in case you need to mount the tweeter flush. You can see the included crossovers too. If you want a awesome sounding soundsystem that can handle any amp, these are the speakers that I would go with myself.


These are the included crossovers that you wire to the tweeters.

Here's a picture of all the included tweeter mounting hardware

Here is a picture showing you that the tweeters are removable, and what the speaker looks like with the tweeter removed.


Here's a picture of the tweeter being used as a flush mount


You may be able to find a slightly better price. But, this is the best speaker for your system, in my opinion. You can go with a cheaper speaker, and get a mix match set of two different speakers. But, if you want a awesome balanced, powerful speaker system, ready for any amp, I would go with these speakers.

CDT Audio CL-6CEX 130W 6.5" 2-WAY COMPONENT COAXIAL SPEAKERS SYSTEM
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I will be replacing the head unit with the pioneer app radio 3 but I'm a little stuck on picking out speakers.
Wow, that Pioneer app 3 looks awesome. I may have to replace my head unit with a double din. I'm having a bit of trouble with my HU lately. I think its wiring but, if not, I think I'll be upgrading to this one. I'm just not sure if the screen is removable. Nowadays, its not good to leave the face on the unit, even if it retracts. It seems the options mention that it might be a removable. I'm going to have to research this unit further, because it does look awesome, love the built-in GPS with waze, and its a pioneer too. Plus I really like the 6 band parametric EQ. It looks like you may have chosen a real winner for a HU.
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Be sure you can play with the App Radio 3 in store for a while before you pull the trigger. It was a feature on my Pioneer 8500 head unit and it was a cluster to use. Multiple cables to connect to an iPhone 5 to get the video features and apps to work. The apps themselves were horrible in my opinion. The Nav app was awful and every feature was an add on purchase. I ended up taking the cables back out of my Jeep and got a refund from iTunes for the apps. The basic music control and pandora control that Pioneer supplies are better than App Radio at least for IPhone 5.
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Wow you guys have been AWSOME!! Such great help throughout the whole thread!!!!

So didn't like your 8500? Because I was thinking about getting that instead of the app radio 3.....

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