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Old 07-29-2011, 10:08 AM   #1
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Speaker Upgrade Whats the best way to go?

2007 and i spend about 75percent of my time naked, and looking to upgrade the sound system. I find myself running the stock stereo one or two clicks from max. I listen to country and classic rock, so bass isn't my goal. I just like loud and clear. Recommendations?

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Speaker upgrade first and foremost

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Old 07-29-2011, 04:01 PM   #3
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what kind of budget do you have for this upgrade? i usually go with a headunit first, it will give the factory speakers a bit more power and clarity. and than if still need a louder setup i suggest getting speakers and run them on an amp.
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Old 07-29-2011, 04:21 PM   #4
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From my experience, you will get more volume with a new deck. The new deck will eventually blow the cheap stock speakers all depending on how loud you play them. Then you should replace the speakers with decent aftermarket speakers. The aftermarket stuff will be much louder/clearer but will have less bass than the stockers. Don't look to replace the speakers with top of the line stuff unless you want to run a good amp to them. Deck does not put out enough power to get everything out of a high end set of speakers. You could replace the front with coaxials and keep the stock tweeter, but an affordable component set will get you a bit better sound quality. Hope this helps.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:39 PM   #5
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if you are going to go with a set of components Incriminator Audio just came out with a line of speakers, if not they have coaxial speakers too. they work well with or without an amp to power them.

here is a link for them.

Speakers - Incriminator Audio - SSA STORE

there products are all built in the usa and have outstanding quality and workmanship. i own 2 of there amps and 1 of their subs. and i plan on getting some of their components sometime soon
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:46 AM   #6
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I can also tell you that even if you only like county and rock you would be pleased to have a small sub. In my younger days I had a single 12 inch sub, amp, etc in a small car I had and it makes all types of music sound better. Not just the hip hop stuff.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:11 PM   #7
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i've been planning a speaker upgrade as well. besides a full component system, any recs for the sound bar?
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:09 AM   #8
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a factory sound bar works best IMHO, you dont need one of those 75 speaker sound bars. a set of components is the best way to go.
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i've been planning a speaker upgrade as well. besides a full component system, any recs for the sound bar?
I have components front and back. My opinion is coaxial in soundbar and components up front. I like the sound of my buddies Polk DB series 6.5", this also leaves you room to put polyfill in the soundbar and less wiring.
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:51 PM   #10
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it depends on how large the crossover is for the components. i did use poly fill and there was more than enough room to stuff everything in there. the soundbar is closer to your ears so having the better speakers in front of your knee makes no sense at all.
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it depends on how large the crossover is for the components. i did use poly fill and there was more than enough room to stuff everything in there. the soundbar is closer to your ears so having the better speakers in front of your knee makes no sense at all.
As I mentioned, it is my opinion. The better components(tweets) should be in front due to the tweeters in stock location pointing right at your face. If you have coaxials in the dash at knee height the tweeters will not be as significant since they are more directional than mid and low frequencies. My tweeters on my rear components are tilted forward and point at the back of my head. I hear the front speakers more unless I stick my head right under the soundbar.(I'm not 6' tall) Components get you better sound quality but you need to amp them to really see the benefit.

My crossover is pretty big and wedges towards the inside of the soundbar with no room for polyfill other than directly on top of the dome light (possible fire hazard?) and above the 6.5" which I will put some there along with some dynomat when I hook an amp back to the components. (might get rid of the hollow plastic sound)

Either way, everyone has their own opinion and tastes. My opinion is that it wasn't worth the extra wiring and cutting a hole in my soundbar for the tweets for the difference in sound quality that I got in return. (at least if not running an amp to the soundbar)
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Want to change my view a bit after driving home and re-evaluating. Components are best way to go as long as you have enough good clean power going to them and don't mind the bit of extra work and wiring.
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I upgraded my 4 6.5 speakers first and noticed a nice difference. It wasn't until I upgraded my head unit that I really heard the music, so to speak. The factory deck lacks the power to accurately power a decent set of speakers at an appreciable volume. The rear channel on the factory deck is lower powered than the front, so you will notice upon using your fader, that the rears drop out quite a bit. It becomes even more apparent when you consider how much louder they should sound, due to being pointed straight down at the passengers. Go ahead and upgrade your speakers, but plan on doing a quality head unit upgrade as well, or you'll soon be disappointed with the results of just the speakers alone.
Do yourself a favor and hit up your local craft story for "Polyfill". This is a filler that you want to stuff the soundbar and dash pods with before installing the new speakers. IT basically creates the effect of placing the speakers in a larger enclosure, making for a fuller sound. It also cuts down on resonance and vibration.
I finally got around to upgrading my tweeters the other day, so now I have crisp, bright highs, solid and clear mids with just a hint of low end. I will be adding a small powered sub before too long to round things out. If you care to do a search, I personally have contributed a ton of tech about sound equipment here, as have many others. The basics to follow are:
You don't NEED an amp for good, clear, loud sound. Get a head unit with a RMS power rating of 25 watts or higher.
Match the RMS power rating on your speakers as close to the RMS rating on the head unit as possible.
If you don't run an amp, stay away from component speakers and go with a good set of 2 or 3 way coaxial speakers. Components are superior, but require more power to drive them accurately.
Use polyfill in your soundbar and dash pods.
Play with the setting on your head unit to achieve the best sound for your ears.

A Wrangler by nature is only going to sound so good. The dash speakers point at your knees, so much of their effect is lost. The soundbar is a terrible design for quality sound, but it can be helped with polyfill. The one thing Jeep did do right is putting the tweeters on top of the dash, angled towards the inside of the cabin. This points them closer to your ears, where high frequencies are best heard. On top of all this, it's a convertible with a noisy interior!!
For a grand total of $450 (doing all the labor myself), I put together a system that is loud enough to make your ears hurt, and clear enough to still be accurate from a distance. I have yet to add the sub, but I should only be at about $650 by then. How much does the Infinity option cost? I'd put my setup against the factory Infinity system any day of the week and with any type of music, and I guarantee mine will sound noticeably better.

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Clarion CX609 head unit
4 Memphis 15-SR62 speakers
2 Memphis 15-MC1S tweeters
Everything is in the stock location and looks factory. I used all factory wiring, except the pigtails on the ends for the speakers, and the Memphis crossovers for the tweeters.
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I deff agree with replacing the head unit first... The factory unit is weak even for stock speakers. IMO it all has to do with what you want to spend. Mr. Sinister is right stay away from component sets unless you plan on amping your entire system. I will say that if you use component sets and amp them you will end up with a system that is twice as loud as non components. I recently replaced my entire factory system and added a sub. I went with a pioneer component set for the front and a pioneer 2 way coaxial for the sound bar. I used a 5 channel amp which gave me the capability to power my pioneers and a sub. The sound is better than any system I ever had when I was younger. I listen to mainly country with a little rock thrown in the mix and I will say that a good sub will fill out the sound of your entire system for sure. I put in a Rockford Fosgate P3L-S10 for my sub. It's a 10 in a small sealed truck box so it took up no room in the "trunk" area of my JKU.
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I deff agree with replacing the head unit first... The factory unit is weak even for stock speakers. IMO it all has to do with what you want to spend. Mr. Sinister is right stay away from component sets unless you plan on amping your entire system. I will say that if you use component sets and amp them you will end up with a system that is twice as loud as non components. I recently replaced my entire factory system and added a sub. I went with a pioneer component set for the front and a pioneer 2 way coaxial for the sound bar. I used a 5 channel amp which gave me the capability to power my pioneers and a sub. The sound is better than any system I ever had when I was younger. I listen to mainly country with a little rock thrown in the mix and I will say that a good sub will fill out the sound of your entire system for sure. I put in a Rockford Fosgate P3L-S10 for my sub. It's a 10 in a small sealed truck box so it took up no room in the "trunk" area of my JKU.
What amp did you use and where is it mounted? I've seen 3 5-channel amps that will fit under the front seat, 2 Alpines and a new Kenwood.
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I mounted it to the back of the back seat(keeps it out of the floor just incase u get water in the floor). I used a Boston acoustics 5 channel 750 watt amp. It puts out 250 watts rms to the sub and around 60-70 watts rms to the other speakers. I'll get some pics and post them on here for you
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IMO you would also be wasting your time if you didn't install an amp. With doors/top off there isn't a head unit out there than can push enough juice to hear music. I installed a small 4 channel, 400 watt RMS sony amp under the steering column. The difference is amazing. Amp was 150$ on sonic electronix.



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[QUOTE=freeskier;1470952]IMO you would also be wasting your time if you didn't install an amp. With doors/top off there isn't a head unit out there than can push enough juice to hear music. I installed a small 4 channel, 400 watt RMS sony amp under the steering column. The difference is amazing. Amp was 150$ on sonic electronix.

This is simply not true. My Clarion pushes my Memphis speakers and tweeters loud and clear enough to hurt your ears, with the top off. You have to match RMS power on your head unit and speakers. It's not about buying super high end speakers that will handle a million watts, it's about selecting parts that will work together well.
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I still disagree.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:55 AM   #20
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My deck is pushing my components just fine. Loud and clear driving naked at 80 mph.
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That's OK, I don't expect you to take my word for it. But, I wouldn't be telling someone they could do it if they couldn't. If you follow the simple rules of purchasing a decent head unit with a high RMS power rating, then getting a set of quality speakers that closely match the RMS rating of the head unit, you can get loud and clear sound, without an external amp. I also use polyfill on all my installs, which does make a noticeable difference in clarity and bass reproduction.
I tried to take a video of the DB meter app on my phone, but it's limited to 106 DB, at which point the music is still loud and clear. The sound distorts badly because of the microphone on my phone, so if anyone in the area has a professional DB meter and recording equipment, I'd be more than happy to measure it and post a video.

Will it be louder with an amp? Of course it will, but not at any volume where you'll be listening. Nothing wrong with running an amp, quite the contrary, but you do not need one.

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