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Old 01-04-2014, 10:01 PM   #31
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How do you know? Do you have a system with 50watt speakers and a 400watt subwoofer? Even though you don't, show me a 5-channel amp with 50wattx4 and a 400watt sub channel. 5-Channel amps are built with the power supply that best compliments the speakers. 75watt=300watt sub, 50=200watt sub. If Rockford Fosgate designed the 5-channel amp with 50watt and 200watts, clearly there is a reason for it. It is because 200watts is enough subwoofer power for 50watt speakers, and 400watts is way too much. You'll get horribly balanced sound with 400watt sub and only 50watt speakers. You'll have all this extra subwoofer power that you can never use. Rockford Fosgate R600X.5 (R600X5) 600W 5-Chan Class AB D Prime Amp More information here: Matching Car Speakers & Subwoofers Together Correctly - CarsDirect Sound Compatibility A third important issue that comes up often when attempting to match the speakers and subwoofers of a car stereo system is the sound capabilities of both. This is more an issue of personal preference, but is one that you should consider nonetheless. Do not plan to buy a super powerful subwoofer if the other speakers in your car audio system are of low wattage and cannot provide that much sound. The sound will be distorted and uneven. It's a good idea to buy components that are generally equivalent; purchasing a less expensive subwoofer to go along with less expensive speakers can be better than purchasing an expensive one.
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Misleading and wrong. Audio companies don't generally build 5 channel amps to "match", they build them for convenience and economy. I have built countless car audio systems and would personally never use a five channel amp for several reasons. 1) if one channel fails, you have to replace everything, 2) the amp channel is always under powered. Especially in an open air Jeep that requires more powerful bass to overcome road noise and loss of low end gain you typically get from an enclosed cabin.

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. Misleading and wrong.
If you are willing to answer my questions, and provide support for your statement, I am humble enough to admit that I am wrong. But, unless, you do so, your statement is arbitrary, and just argumentative without basis.

I mean no disrespect to you or disregard to Polk speakers.

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Misleading and wrong. Audio companies don't generally build 5 channel amps to "match", they build them for convenience and economy. I have built countless car audio systems and would personally never use a five channel amp for several reasons. 1) if one channel fails, you have to replace everything, 2) the amp channel is always under powered. Especially in an open air Jeep that requires more powerful bass to overcome road noise and loss of low end gain you typically get from an enclosed cabin.
Thank you for the expansion on your reply. But, the explanation, doesn't make sense.

1) If a channel fails "on any amp", you would have to replace the amp.
And, with the space limits in a Jeep(Wrangler), it makes sense to have only one amp. Having multiple amps, requires more space, and the chance that one amp may fail. If you get a good amp, you are not likely to have the problem of the amp failing. I have never heard of an Alpine amp failing. If you get a cheap Class AB amp, which heats up faster, than a Class D amp, it might fail. But, this is because of the quality of the amp.

2)How can you say the amp can is always under powered, when it is powered, based on the amps given specifications? Under powered to what? Under powered for the speakers? Then, the problem is that you have chosen the wrong amp.
This point doesn't even make sense, since you are powering the speakers based on the specification of the amp. Just chose the right amp based on the RMS of the amp, and the RMS of your speakers. Then, you won't have a problem with the speakers being under powered.

If you get a 50watt per speaker amp, for 100watt speakers, it doesn't make sense. Of course the speakers are under powered in this instance, but it is only because the wrong amp was chosen to power the speakers.

Turning up the gain, to compensate for the amps lack of power, is dangerous, and might blow the speakers, because of the added distortion, beyond the RMS specification value of the amp.

Again, the problem is that the wrong amp was chosen, not its power.
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I'm lovin' that MTX sub box.(hehe, I have one in my TJ) But, are you sure its front firing? If you look at the raised ridges, and, what looks like a small screw hole, that I seem to see on the bottom right(I could be wrong), it looks like its downfiring. Maybe you mounted it front firing to save space.

It also looks like you have Kicker 10" instead of the MTX 10". How do you like them? If I ever blow out my MTX subwoofers, I have always considered Kickers, so I'm curious.
Sorry I may have been vague. The forward firing brackets are for the 5&1/4" speakers in the dash. They fire forward. The box on the other hand does have to fire down, you are correct. The kickers have a really clean sound for the price. Love my cvx(s) (its one step below the solo baric (square ones)) they've held up great. Sound great. And since you have the box I have a question. Did you bolt your box down? My box's feet where the screws go in land on a THICK piece of metal where the rear gate shuts. If you did, did you have any troubles?
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I wouldn't worry about the bass. Your 2-10" subwoofers, will handle the bass.
The problem is the Pioneers. They just don't crank out enough power, to compliment your powerful subs.

Tweeters, won't help. You need better speakers, and an amp for those speakers.

I'm sure you noticed that you are lacking highs, and mid range as well. But, that is because of the power, not the speakers.

I would ditch, the Rockford, and get an alpine(PDX-V9), to handle the sub, and the speakers. This way, you are only using one amp, for space considerations, and power draw.

Then get better speakers for your highs and mid-range, to compliment the powerful subs, that you are using.
Thanks for all the information. Honestly my system sounds great tho. Granted I ride around with my bass turned as low as possible. My head unit goes down to -15 and I just leave the bass on that and the system honestly is very balanced. And then when I want to go around the square cut it to 0 it's a great setup. Treated it like the rest of my jeep and just researched for 2 months straight. The only thing that I didn't like was I ordered a cap that was unneeded, but the great people at crutchfield gave me a full refund. They really helped me build my system. I'm glad I ordered from them. They know their stuff!
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Sorry I may have been vague. The forward firing brackets are for the 5&1/4" speakers in the dash. They fire forward. The box on the other hand does have to fire down, you are correct. The kickers have a really clean sound for the price. Love my cvx(s) (its one step below the solo baric (square ones)) they've held up great. Sound great. And since you have the box I have a question. Did you bolt your box down? My box's feet where the screws go in land on a THICK piece of metal where the rear gate shuts. If you did, did you have any troubles?
I considered it. But since it doesn't rattle, I left it unbolted for easy removal when cleaning the area. Your box seems to be a little different than mine. It looks more low profile. Is it the Thunderform?
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How do you know? Do you have a system with 50watt speakers and a 400watt subwoofer?

Even though you don't, show me a 5-channel amp with 50wattx4 and a 400watt sub channel.

5-Channel amps are built with the power supply that best compliments the speakers. 75watt=300watt sub, 50=200watt sub.

If Rockford Fosgate designed the 5-channel amp with 50watt and 200watts, clearly there is a reason for it. It is because 200watts is enough subwoofer power for 50watt speakers, and 400watts is way too much.
You'll get horribly balanced sound with 400watt sub and only 50watt speakers. You'll have all this extra subwoofer power that you can never use.
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A third important issue that comes up often when attempting to match the speakers and subwoofers of a car stereo system is the sound capabilities of both. This is more an issue of personal preference, but is one that you should consider nonetheless. Do not plan to buy a super powerful subwoofer if the other speakers in your car audio system are of low wattage and cannot provide that much sound. The sound will be distorted and uneven. It's a good idea to buy components that are generally equivalent; purchasing a less expensive subwoofer to go along with less expensive speakers can be better than purchasing an expensive one.
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Kicker kx800.5. 50x4 and 400x1 rms
I think you have the wrong spec. The spec is 50x4 and 200x1 @ 4ohms. This Kicker amp, confirms what I was saying about the proper power for speakers and subwoofer.

But, this is a properly balanced amp. If someone wanted to use Polks(50watts RMS) with properly balanced subwoofer power, the Kicker kx800.5 is a good choice amp.

But, personally, I would still ditch the Polks, since the Kicker 5-Channel amp, costs more than the Alpine PDX V-9, which has twice the power.

IMHO, the 100wattx4 speaker amp + 500watt sub amp @4ohms, has much better power in an open vehicle, like a Jeep Wrangler. That being the Alpine PDX-V9.

For cost, quality, power and foot print(size), the Alpine is clearly a better choice.
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The sub channel is 400@2. Seeing how you have 2 subs wire them to 2 instead of 8 and there you go.

You never awnsered me. Have you had amped Polks?
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The sub channel is 400@2. Seeing how you have 2 subs wire them to 2 instead of 8 and there you go.

You never awnsered me. Have you had amped Polks?
No, I have not amped Polks, but I did amp Similar Infinity Kappa's and they blew out.

Polks are 50watt RMS speakers, and amping them wouldn't make sense to me. My Alpine amp is too powerful for them. Why would I want to gain down my system and cheat my powerful amp for inferior speakers?

If you did amp them to 50watts with a good amp such as the Kicker one mentioned above, it wouldn't be cost feasible, considering you could double the power with the same cost amp and better speakers. The slight increased cost for better speakers and the Alpine would about equal a good 50watt amp such as the Kicker 5-Channel.

If you did amp them, with 2-10" subs, your subs would be under powered.
It would make more sense to get 100watt speakers to compliment the 2-10" subs, and take full advantage of your subs.
(See Sound Compatibility in my earlier post)

Clearly the Polks couldn't handle 100 watts RMS of power, so it wouldn't make sense to me to amp them. THose speakers are not high power speakers and work best with just a HU.
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A Majestic 700 crossover is a crossover, and not an amp.

If you will post the pictures, of your components, and then zoom in on the bottom with any written information, we can help you figure it out.

Then, post pictures, of your speaker locations, and we will know more about the speakers you need, for the best upgrade.

Let's do it right, so you will be happy, and satisfied with your audio upgrade.

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A Majestic 700 crossover is a crossover, and not an amp.

If you will post the pictures, of your components, and then zoom in on the bottom with any written information, we can help you figure it out.

Then, post pictures, of your speaker locations, and we will know more about the speakers you need, for the best upgrade.

Let's do it right, so you will be happy, and satisfied with your audio upgrade.

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4x6 and 6x9 speakers are not a good mix. Especially since the 6x9's are in the sound bar, right next to your ears.

If those are your only speakers, then you would want coaxial speakers, and not component speakers. The speaker type, whether coaxial or component, has nothing to do with them being amp ready. All speakers are amp ready, it is just a matter of determining the proper amp to use based on the speakers RMS value.

It looks like the holes in the sound bar are probably really messed up now, installing the 6x9 speakers. I personally would rip out all 4 of those speakers and take it back to stock sizes using 5.25 speakers in both locations.

Triaxial speakers(6x9's) are going to sound much different and generally way more powerful than coaxial 4x6 speakers, and it sounds like it would create an ugly sound stage.

Like I said, for the best sound, I would rip out those 6x9's in the rear, and take them back to stock coaxial 5.25. Then, rip out the front speakers, and use coaxial 5.25 in the front with a Nalin Adapter.

I would not use a 50watt RMS and a 100watt RMS amp to power the speakers. Trying to fade them, or gain them to make the sound balanced, is going to be a mess. Especially, if you are mixing 4x6's and 6x9's. Your sound stage is going to sound absolutely horrible, IMHO.

If your 750 amp is going to be used for the sub, I would check its RMS power wattage. You really need to know the RMS output of your amps.

Even if you use 5.25 all around, you still don't want to mix 50watt and 100watt amps. That sort of setup would work better if you had speakers in the rear deck of a sedan, and front speakers close to your face. That is the sort of setup that people generally use for 6x9 speakers.

Simply put, get 4-5.25 speakers, ditch at least the 50watt amp, and get another 100watt amp.

Best scenario is to ditch all three amps, and get only one 5-channel amp.

If you want to save money, maybe try to sell the other amps on Craigs list or to a friend. Maybe you could trade them in on a Alpine PDX-V9. This is going to be the best amp for your Jeep.
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No pictures. It doesn't really matter though. I think its pretty much covered in my above post. You just have some decisions to make yourself. It is your Jeep. I can only give my opinion. The final decision is yours. Whatever you decide to do, Good Luck.
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No pictures. It doesn't really matter though. I think its pretty much covered in my above post. You just have some decisions to make yourself. It is your Jeep. I can only give my opinion. The final decision is yours. Whatever you decide to do, Good Luck.
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I really don't see how those amps would work with what you want to accomplish. I researched them, and I don't like what I see.

If you used the Rockford Fosgate 200 for two speakers, and the MA760C for another set, you'll still need a third mono channel 400watt, 4 ohm amp for your subs.

I'm just not liking three huge amps drawing load from your battery either.

If the Alpine PDX-V9 is too expensive, maybe you can find a cheaper 5-Channel amp. The PAG 2500watt amp is a cheaper 5-Channel amp, and got good reviews, but it is not as good as the Alpine PDX-V9. It runs hotter than the Alpine, but, once I had it re-tuned it didn't overheat. I believe I had some bad speaker wires, and that was overheating my PAG, because my Alpine was overheating too. Once I addressed my speaker and electrical problems, my Alpine never gets even warm. So, I can't blame my electrical problems on the PAG.

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Here is your huckleberry if you want to use Polk 5.25's front an rear, an I would suggest 8" sub or subs for crisper base response.
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Here is your huckleberry if you want to use Polk 5.25's front an rear, an I would suggest 8" sub or subs for crisper base response.
Polks, are not good speakers for a 400watt subwoofer. But, if you do go with a single 8" subwoofer, I would agree. But, your volume will be limited. If you really want to impress your friends, with your audio system, you will blow them away with the Alpine PDX-V9. When people hear my system, they just go WOW! And, this is in a Jeep! Of course, I have other things to increase my fidelity, such as the Clarion 7-band EQ. But, it is only $60 dollars. Nobody touches the volume, in my system. My girlfriends, don't like it that loud. I've picked up a few girls, and given them a ride, and they try to crank it up, but even they get scared, and I laugh. Guys just want to try to blow out my system. Hands off, guys. The Alpine PDX-v9 with proper speakers, makes the guys envious. You can make the Police take notice, with the Alpine PDX-V9. Just tune it down, around them, for respect, and make everyone else, totally drool. Remember, you have the best "vehicle" on the market. And, with an Alpine PDX-V9, other drivers just go, Humphf.

Don't mess with my Wrangler, and its audio system. Just get a good alarm, and nobody will take the time to see what you have under the dash. And, nope, my Jeep is not lowered, but it sounds like it. lol.
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Polks, are not good speakers for a 400watt subwoofer. But, if you do go with a single 8" subwoofer, I would agree. But, your volume will be limited. If you really want to impress your friends, with your audio system, you will blow them away with the Alpine PDX-V9. When people hear my system, they just go WOW! And, this is in a Jeep! Of course, I have other things to increase my fidelity, such as the Clarion 7-band EQ. But, it is only $60 dollars. Nobody touches the volume, in my system. My girlfriends, don't like it that loud. I've picked up a few girls, and given them a ride, and they try to crank it up, but even they get scared, and I laugh. Guys just want to try to blow out my system. Hands off, guys. The Alpine PDX-v9 with proper speakers, makes the guys envious. You can make the Police take notice, with the Alpine PDX-V9. Just tune it down, around them, for respect, and make everyone else, totally drool. Remember, you have the best "vehicle" on the market. And, with an Alpine PDX-V9, other drivers just go, Humphf.

Don't mess with my Wrangler, and its audio system. Just get a good alarm, and nobody will take the time to see what you have under the dash. And, nope, my Jeep is not lowered, but it sounds like it. lol.
damn i got decision decisions decisions to make lol and i have a soft top so i want to be able to carry my stuff in at nite and where r all ur amps in ur jeep located (under ur dash?)
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I have just the one Alpine amp. Right now its under my back seat, but I plan to add bedliner soon, and I'll move it under the dash then. I already have the skinny pedal bracket just not the free $300 right now. lol.

That's another thing that's great about the Alpine amp. It was a little expensive, but it's so good and popular that someone will come along and design something great for it. (I.E. Skinny Pedal Under Dash Bracket) I couldn't be happier with this Alpine.

You don't really need to carry everything in at night. Just get an alarm system. Then, a thief will look into your Jeep, and when they don't see anything to steal, they will move on. Without an alarm a thief can open your Jeep, and take their time searching for something to steal. If you start taking your sub box inside every night, it is going to attract attention. With the trunk locked, the MTX looks very inconspicuous. I don't think it can even be removed without breaking it, if the trunk is locked.

I had a convertible and I only had a problem with things that were visible, when I had an alarm. With an alarm, the main problem is the smash/slash and grab. If there is nothing "seen" to grab, there is no smash/slash.

I never even tell my friends or family(cousins) about my stereo components. All they need to know are the end results and they can see my 7" flip screen, with the removable face plate. The reason I say this is because a lot of thefts are inside jobs.
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I noticed that your tub looks bare and ready for bedliner. Hopefully, you'll do it before the bare metal starts to rust. Have you seen the thread where a guy bedlined the tub of his Aqua Jeep with Aqua Bedliner? It looked awesome.


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i noticed that your tub looks bare and ready for bedliner. Hopefully, you'll do it before the bare metal starts to rust. Have you seen the thread where a guy bedlined the tub of his aqua jeep with aqua bedliner? It looked awesome.


yes i hope to get it down soon and no i havent seen it where was it posted would love to check it out
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This guy did a slightly different tint than yours, but imagine if you color coded your bedliner to your exterior paint. I bet it would look awesome too. The fun we have with modding our Jeeps.

Monstliner spraying???
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This guy did a slightly different tint than yours, but imagine if you color coded your bedliner to your exterior paint. I bet it would look awesome too. The fun we have with modding our Jeeps.

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yep i bet it would look good would love to check it out i love the idea lol
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hey for a soft top what kind of alarm do u recommend
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hey for a soft top what kind of alarm do u recommend
A Viper is a good standard alarm. The main idea is to keep people from stealing your Jeep, with the standard ignition kill provided with the Viper. The other good standard option is the door, hood and trunk protects, so that you could basically leave your doors unlocked, if you have the top off, so that a thief might just open the doors, and set it off, thinking its easy access. Thieves aren't very smart. A good additional option for the Viper, if you have a soft top, might be a vibration sensor. But, just having a Viper alarm is a good deterrent. It lets a thief know that he doesn't have much time to violate your Jeep. Another good standard option with the Viper is automatic arming. It takes a bit getting use to, but it is better to know that your Jeep is always armed whenever you exit it, instead of wondering if you have actually manually armed it. You just have to get use to, disarming your Jeep every time you enter it. I actually like that option, because it only takes a thief a few minutes to rip something out, and I would rather feel safe than sorry.

I have never heard of anyone who lost their stereo, or had their Jeep stolen, who had an armed Viper.

I have a Viper. It's the very first thing I brought when I got my Jeep. And, 16 years later, I still have it, and no loss of property. If you have a good alarm, and don't leave purses and such visible, a thief will move one to an easier vehicle. Even with a standard Viper, a thief doesn't know what options you have added to it. I do think that motion detection is standard on a Viper. But, I'm not 100% sure. My Viper does seem to go off if a Semi drives by it. Not a bad investment for about $300 if you want to keep your Wrangler.

Everyone on this site, that I've seen, who has had their Wranglers stolen, didn't have an alarm, or didn't arm it. It's silly IMHO, to spend $5000.00 dollars modifying your Wrangler, and not to have a good alarm, armed to protect it. Especially in this volatile economy. The Wrangler itself is worth over $5000.00. I say, protect your property and your investment.

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