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Old 07-21-2007, 03:51 PM   #1
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Question Wanting to get a cb radio

I want to get a cb radio for my Jeep,but I don't know much about them.I've read previous threads and posts.I think I want to get the Uniden 510,is that a good one? from what I've read I think so,but I need to make sure.
The next question is about the antenna,what type?again,I've read that the firestik is not a good one and then some say the firestik is good,what is a good antenna?
About my cables,where do I get these at?
Can I go to Radio Shack for things like this?
I don't want to spend alot of money b/c I don't know alot about this stuff yet.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

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What do you want to be able to do?
If you just want close comms with rigs running together, or to get road reports on the hyway then any radio and antenna setup will do.
If you want to be able to talk all around town then you want to move up in quality and most importantly antenna length.

There's nothing wrong with a Firestick that isn't wrong with any other fiberglass mast antenna, I've been running em on big trucks for nearly 20 years and they've given me good service.
The nice thing about them isd they're fairly inexpensive, if you break one going under a tree, or if some kid steels it, you aren't out much.
I prefer running less expensive rigs because I spent years throwing money at high class rigs and the performance gain wasn't really all that impressive.
The Uniden 510 is a good radio and you can go to any truck stop or radio shack and get an antenna setup that comes with coax cable, antenna mast and mount.

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Thanks much.I am not sure how I will use it yet? I would like to use it for traffic,maybe weather,or just talk to people out there.

So thats my thing I want to keep it fairly inexpensive,sounds good.I think I am going to check out my local Radio Shack.I have looked on Ebay and a few other places online.
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Hit garage sales, swap meats, thrift stores and pawn shops. I see em all the time for $10 or less. If you lived closer I have a couple I'd give you but it'd cost more to ship em then they're worth.
Anyway, you should be able to outfit your rig with usable radio and antenna for less than $40 if you shop around.
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If you want to pick up weather alerts your going to need a cb with more features then the 510. They are a great radio be they don't do weather.
If you must have the weather alert feature, which is pretty handy by the way. Then you need to step up to a Uniden Pro 538 or the Uniden PC68 which is a very good radio.
As far as antenna I would suggest almost anything but a firecrap and stay away from their nifty fire-ring antenna hook up. Its a poor design that will cause you more problems then its worth. There are many antenna's that will do better then the firecrap both on and off road, several of them costing less. My first choice in antenna would be an Everhardt Super Tiger and second would be a Wilson FGT
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This is the second time you've gone off on the Firestick antennas, can you give some kind of detail about why you hate them so much.
What problems have you had personally?
I've been using CB's for more than 30 years, as I've said, I've never had a problem with a Firestick.
I've had cheaper fiberglass antennas that come apart at the base from all the vibration they take in a big truck. I've had a couple cheaper fiberglass antennas encounter degradation of contact due to corrosion but none from a firestick.
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This is the second time you've gone off on the Firestick antennas, can you give some kind of detail about why you hate them so much.
I don't hate them. But there are other antenna's that both perform better and are cheaper. Why do you pimp something that cost more and doesn't work as well?
Just because you never had a problem with them doesn't make them the best antenna. My grandma never had a problem with her Yugo, by your logic that makes them the best car around.
For short range trail use only there is nothing wrong with a firestik. In situations like that where limited range is ok, then the very limited firecrap will be just fine. It's when you get outside that area that the firestik is not as good as other quality antenna's. That will last just as long as a firestik. Your paying more for name not the range or quality of the antenna, just because you can find them in every truck stop.

As far as the fire ring antenna connector, it just a poor design that doesn't work very well. But it makes for a quick and easy connection. The problem is it doesn't hold the connection very well between the antenna and the coax. The ring and terminal connection will work much better and last much longer. Even the PL259 connector will work better. But neither are as quick and easy to use. Although none of them are really hard to install.
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Scoob, I've been reading your posts regarding CBs / antennae and have a question or two.

I opted for the Cobra 75 which I know you dont suggest, but space-savings was my primary objective. With that said, I do want to get a really good antenna and coax. I like the Wilson FGTs you posted and will likely order one of those. Available mounting brackets / options for a JK are limited though. There is a mount that attaches to the license plate, which I like Link Here for only $80. The problem is it ships with FireStik stuff. Is it possible to use the mount from this and trash the Firestik antenna? I apologize, I am not versed in the connectors.

Also, if this stuff is brand-interchangable, FireStik makes a verticle door jamb mount with either a K-4T2 or K-4A ends (again, Greek to me). I could possibly use one of these on the rear door jamb.. how does the wire pass through the door jamb without getting pinched.. hole through body?

(I am not really fond of the tail-light mounts.. so I am looking for anything else.)

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide.
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Scoob, I've been reading your posts regarding CBs / antennae and have a question or two.

I opted for the Cobra 75 which I know you dont suggest, but space-savings was my primary objective. With that said, I do want to get a really good antenna and coax. I like the Wilson FGTs you posted and will likely order one of those. Available mounting brackets / options for a JK are limited though. There is a mount that attaches to the license plate, which I like Link Here for only $80. The problem is it ships with FireStik stuff. Is it possible to use the mount from this and trash the Firestik antenna? I apologize, I am not versed in the connectors.

Also, if this stuff is brand-interchangable, FireStik makes a verticle door jamb mount with either a K-4T2 or K-4A ends (again, Greek to me). I could possibly use one of these on the rear door jamb.. how does the wire pass through the door jamb without getting pinched.. hole through body?

(I am not really fond of the tail-light mounts.. so I am looking for anything else.)

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide.
If space is your #1 concern then the Cobra 75 is a very good choice. Not everybody needs maximum range and modulation. The 75 will fit in places very few other radios can go. There is some trade offs for that. But if you know that going in and need a space saving radio, the 75 is the perfect choice.

I have not seen any mounts for the JK yet. Although that one for 80 bucks seems kinda high priced.
Does the JK have a hole in the tailgate for the brake wire to pass through like the TJ's did? If so you can run a coax through there along with the brake wire and up to tire carrier. which would be a very good spot to mount the antenna (at least it is on a TJ). This would be much cheaper then the 80 price tag of the one mount you listed I have not seen many JK's and have yet to mount a cb in one.
The K-4A and the K-4T2 are simply firestiks numbers for the type of stud mount. The K-4a being the plain PL259 connector. The K-4T2 is their version of the ring terminal connector. They all simply mount in a hole of your antenna mount (such as the behind the tail light mount, tire carrier mount, ect ect). They can interchange with each other since most all of them have the same outside dimensions. It simply gives you more choices in how you want to hook up your antenna.
I prefer the ring terminal mount myself. It provides a VERY good ground (very important in getting and keeping a low swr) and if done right will keep that good ground a very long time.
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I don't hate them. But there are other antenna's that both perform better and are cheaper. Why do you pimp something that cost more and doesn't work as well?
You have some serious "plays not well with others" issues dude.
I asked you to back up your claim, to provide some information that would show the superiority of your choices, you haven't.
I asked fairly politely what problems you've had which would prompt you to call them "firecrap" and all you can come back with is a snotty, insulting attitude.
For the record since you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension, I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT FIRESTIK IS THE BEST, It's a goddamn compromise, it's flexible and strong enough to hold up to most obstacles without damage and it performs about as well as any fiberglass antenna since there's not very goddamn much you can change in the goddamn design to make em better. If there is, then get over your smug little freaking attitude and pass on the info, I'm all ears buddy.

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Just because you never had a problem with them doesn't make them the best antenna. My grandma never had a problem with her Yugo, by your logic that makes them the best car around.
Bullshit, anybody with half a brain and some experience on teh interwebs can point to customer feedback and consumer report articles to prove or disprove such a claim.
Once again, learn to read before getting snotty, I NEVER SAID THEY WERE THE BEST.
You came in here insulting the advice I gave without making any goddamn attempt to substantiate your claims, when asked to do so you get even more insulting, is that supposed to make it sound like you know what the hell your talking about so you don't have back anything up? or do you just naturally come across to everybody with this better than thou attitude?

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For short range trail use only there is nothing wrong with a firestik. In situations like that where limited range is ok, then the very limited firecrap will be just fine.
No shit, isn't that what I said?
[quote]It's when you get outside that area that the firestik is not as good as other quality antenna's. That will last just as long as a firestik. Your paying more for name not the range or quality of the antenna, just because you can find them in every truck stop.[quote]
Bullshit again. I just picked up 2 new 4' Firestiks for $16.95 a peice off the shelf.
Find a better performing and cheaper antenna to back up your claim or it's just more bullshit.

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As far as the fire ring antenna connector, it just a poor design that doesn't work very well. But it makes for a quick and easy connection. The problem is it doesn't hold the connection very well between the antenna and the coax. The ring and terminal connection will work much better and last much longer. Even the PL259 connector will work better. But neither are as quick and easy to use. Although none of them are really hard to install.
I don't know about the firering since I don't have any personal experience with it, but then again, I've never recommended it to anybody.
Got anything you can link to or any personal experience you wish to relate so that people are actually educated?
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I like all of my Firesticks have been using that brand since around 1981 I think is when i got my first CB.
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Hey,thanks for all the help.I will just search around for a radio and antenna.Maybe I can get something and learn a bit about it and then get something better later.
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I have the Cobra 75 and for trail use it works fine. The major plus is the space it saves. When not in use I can disco the handset and throw it in the console and it's not in the way. No box taking up space as it is an all in one set up. I'm currently using a Wilson 4' antenna with a quick disco and spring and (like I said) it works fine on the trails.
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Are these Uniden PC68XL cb's any good? I found one for $50,it says the normal price is $109 brand new.
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Yes, it's a good radio in my opinion.
It's what I use in my Jeep.
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You have some serious "plays not well with others" issues dude.
I asked you to back up your claim, to provide some information that would show the superiority of your choices, you haven't.
I asked fairly politely what problems you've had which would prompt you to call them "firecrap" and all you can come back with is a snotty, insulting attitude.
For the record since you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension, I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT FIRESTIK IS THE BEST, It's a goddamn compromise, it's flexible and strong enough to hold up to most obstacles without damage and it performs about as well as any fiberglass antenna since there's not very goddamn much you can change in the goddamn design to make em better. If there is, then get over your smug little freaking attitude and pass on the info, I'm all ears buddy.


Bullshit, anybody with half a brain and some experience on teh interwebs can point to customer feedback and consumer report articles to prove or disprove such a claim.
Once again, learn to read before getting snotty, I NEVER SAID THEY WERE THE BEST.
You came in here insulting the advice I gave without making any goddamn attempt to substantiate your claims, when asked to do so you get even more insulting, is that supposed to make it sound like you know what the hell your talking about so you don't have back anything up? or do you just naturally come across to everybody with this better than thou attitude?


No shit, isn't that what I said?
It's when you get outside that area that the firestik is not as good as other quality antenna's. That will last just as long as a firestik. Your paying more for name not the range or quality of the antenna, just because you can find them in every truck stop.
Bullshit again. I just picked up 2 new 4' Firestiks for $16.95 a peice off the shelf.
Find a better performing and cheaper antenna to back up your claim or it's just more bullshit.


I don't know about the firering since I don't have any personal experience with it, but then again, I've never recommended it to anybody.
Got anything you can link to or any personal experience you wish to relate so that people are actually educated?
ohhh nooos its an e-thug..If you don't back up his advice he will start cussing and screaming... You should ease up on your childish attitude, its a sign of limited intelligence.

I doubt you would believe anybody that doesnt share your narrow minded viewpoint Why don't you trying doing some reading on other forums that deal with cb's.
http://www.cbradiotalk.com
http://www.cbradioforum.com/
just to name a few.
You will see many lines like "friends don't let friends use firestiks" and the term Firesuck will come up as well. Might want to change your attitude before you go there though or you wont last long enough to learn anything.
Maybe when you give advice you should add a couple disclaimers. Like
"I recommend mediocre things, not the best for your situation"
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"If you disagree with my mediocre recommendation I will throw a fit"
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ohhh nooos its an e-thug..If you don't back up his advice he will start cussing and screaming... You should ease up on your childish attitude, its a sign of limited intelligence.

I doubt you would believe anybody that doesnt share your narrow minded viewpoint Why don't you trying doing some reading on other forums that deal with cb's.
http://www.cbradiotalk.com
http://www.cbradioforum.com/
just to name a few.
You will see many lines like "friends don't let friends use firestiks" and the term Firesuck will come up as well. Might want to change your attitude before you go there though or you wont last long enough to learn anything.
Maybe when you give advice you should add a couple disclaimers. Like
"I recommend mediocre things, not the best for your situation"
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"If you disagree with my mediocre recommendation I will throw a fit"
So basically it's just a ford versus Chevy 9mm vs .45 and you don't actually have any data to back up your claims.

Anybody can read here and see what happened.
I simply asked you for the data to back up your claims, I was actually interested since I like getting the most bang for the buck, but you felt the need to come back with your snotty little attitude.

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Maybe when you give advice you should add a couple disclaimers. Like
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Again with the lack of reading comprehension.
You missed this from my first post? or you just can't understand it?
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The nice thing about them is they're fairly inexpensive, if you break one going under a tree, or if some kid steels it, you aren't out much.
I prefer running less expensive rigs because I spent years throwing money at high class rigs and the performance gain wasn't really all that impressive.
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hey I'm willing to try anything once i even had an antenna called a vendetta it really worked good but evryone thought it was afunny name for an antenna. But what the hell it worked.
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So basically it's just a ford versus Chevy 9mm vs .45 and you don't actually have any data to back up your claims.

Anybody can read here and see what happened.
I simply asked you for the data to back up your claims, I was actually interested since I like getting the most bang for the buck, but you felt the need to come back with your snotty little attitude.


Again with the lack of reading comprehension.
You missed this from my first post? or are you just can't understand it?
Thanks for toning it down. Sorry, I don't respond well to people who start cussing and get upset.
The firestik antenna is not as efficient as say a Everhart Tiger, Super Tiger or Wilson silver load. When you transmit it produces more heat then other antenna's. Some people feel this is how they got the name, no clue on the truth to that. But i can tell you I have seen people put some power through them and they get VERY hot compared to other similar antenna's. This heat is coming at the cost of range since the power is being turning into heat instead of RF transmission. Antenna Efficiency pretty much stays the same no matter the power (until you get into serious wattage) so what an antenna will do at 100 watts is the same thing it will do at 4 watts. Turning more RF power into heat you just wont be able to notice it as easily, but its happening.
The fire ring I was referring to is this one This one As you can see its all one nifty and super quick to install. I have seen several of these allow water in then they start to lose there ground. Causing problems with the SWR. The plastic outer shell hides whats going on and you cant see it corroding on the inside. I have "fixed" several radios by simply cutting off the fire ring and replacing it with a pair of 10 cent ring terminals.
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I want to get a cb myself. Glad you started this thread. I think I have gotten a pretty good idea of what Im gonna do. Thanks guys.
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Fella's, understandably if people don't agree. Just no need to make it personal with name calling and such.

Thanks for toning down the posts and getting the thread back on topic.
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Thanks for toning it down. Sorry, I don't respond well to people who start cussing and get upset.
The firestik antenna is not as efficient as say a Everhart Tiger, Super Tiger or Wilson silver load. When you transmit it produces more heat then other antenna's. Some people feel this is how they got the name, no clue on the truth to that. But i can tell you I have seen people put some power through them and they get VERY hot compared to other similar antenna's. This heat is coming at the cost of range since the power is being turning into heat instead of RF transmission. Antenna Efficiency pretty much stays the same no matter the power (until you get into serious wattage) so what an antenna will do at 100 watts is the same thing it will do at 4 watts. Turning more RF power into heat you just wont be able to notice it as easily, but its happening.
The fire ring I was referring to is this one This one As you can see its all one nifty and super quick to install. I have seen several of these allow water in then they start to lose there ground. Causing problems with the SWR. The plastic outer shell hides whats going on and you cant see it corroding on the inside. I have "fixed" several radios by simply cutting off the fire ring and replacing it with a pair of 10 cent ring terminals.
Thank you, that was the info I was looking for, unfortunately I just got the 2 new sticks so I shouldn't be needing anything soon but when I do I'd certainly be interested in getting one of the ones you suggest and doing a side by side comparison.

I'm very sorry for the way this thread went, I got pissed when you came back with the attitude rather than an answer and I responded poorly, when I calmed down it was already too late to edit and tone it down.
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Question for anyone.. is the coax all pretty much the same? Is there a Monster Cable of coax? If I get a higher quality antenna like Tiger or Wilson am I going to lose any minimal gains by using FireStik's Fire-Flex wiring?
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Question for anyone.. is the coax all pretty much the same? Is there a Monster Cable of coax? If I get a higher quality antenna like Tiger or Wilson am I going to lose any minimal gains by using FireStik's Fire-Flex wiring?
No not all coax is the same. Belden is considered by most to be the better stuff. I would suggest running a RG-8X (mini-8) its a little thicker then the standard RG-58 but it tends to handle abuse better. Generally it has a higher shield rating as well. Which is the key thing for coax, the higher the rating the better it will stop noise (fuel pump, spark plugs) from coming into the coax.
Here is a little write that talks about the different choices.
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