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Old 01-21-2014, 07:57 PM   #1
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What should I get for our Rubi

Wife and I will be retiring and moving to Flagstaff later this year. We're looking forward to exploring and enjoying the Jeep and hiking trails out there and around the 4 Corners. We got the Rubicon last summer. It's my wife's car at the moment.

As has been said more than once, Wranglers don't come with much lockable space. As our Rubi is a soft top, I was wondering what advice you Arizona types could offer in the way of equipment. We'll obviously be driving and parking at various -- doubtless isolated -- trailheads through the area. Is there an issue here that I even need to consider? There have been some instances of mostly vandalism to cars parked at trailheads back here in the East, but I'm assuming the simple isolation of many of the western trails makes that rather less likely.

I've already gotten the hood lock and wheel lug locks. I'm planning to get one or more Tuffy lockable containers for the back. I assume no one will suggest trying to "lock" the doors.

Any additional equipment you think we should get -- while I'm still getting an income and can seriously consider such?

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Welcome to the forums! My two cents.

Arizona really is not a third world crime ridden country lol - we are civilized here. Of course no matter where you go, there will be losers-nowhere is exempt from them. However, MY first worry on the trails would not be someone stealing my tires or stuff under my hood. It would be making sure my vehicle can get me home safely, and that if it couldn't, that I could survive until I was found. The land area here is absolutely huge and massive.

Advice: and this has nothing to do with Arizona per se. Do not carry valuables in ANY vehicle, Wrangler or not. Unless maybe if you are driving a Brinks armored truck or something lol! Seriously though, if it is that valuable, leave it at home. Sure a Wrangler soft top can be slit. But really just how hard is it to break a glass window on any vehicle-especially if there is no one around close enough to hear? I suspect a sledge hammer could take out a Wrangler hard top too.

Do you plan on going deep into the hinterlands or just "within sight of civilization"? With a group or guide or solo? In either/any event, my primary advice: Always always always if you are going alone LET SOMEONE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING AND WHEN YOU PLAN TO BE BACK. If things go south, this may be the difference between your homecoming with cool pictures and stories-or not coming home at all. Whether the someone is a neighbor, park ranger - whatever. You want someone to know to send help in the event you need it - whether that is because your Jeep broke down, someone stole your tire and slashed your soft top, bad weather or whatever. And do not ever overestimate yourself or underestimate the terrain.

Check into the AZ Virtual Jeep Club (google and you will find it) - I think they have members who run up near Flagstaff. Maybe you can hook up with them for runs, advice, trail recs etc. I know there have to be other Jeep clubs too up there and maybe the folks on AZVJC can direct you to some. (I am down in Phoenix valley so a bit south of Flagstaff). They also run a search and rescue - if you say "I am going to XYZ and will be back at noon" - if they do not hear back from you and cannot reach you to confirm you are back safe on pavement, they will get the cavalry out there to help you.

As far as equipment, do you just mean security type stuff or "general" Jeep type stuff or survival type stuff? On general stuff my advice is water-as much water as you can carry, especially if you are playing in the desert areas. And stuff to do simple trail stuff like an air compressor maybe. And watch the weather and stay out of moving water!

Instead of worrying about "security", my vote is put the money into things to help you on the trails, whether that is stuff you put on (ie equipment) or in your Jeep (ie water, provisions, decent jack, flashlights and on and on and on) - and enjoy the gorgeous state, let your Jeep do its thing and tread lightly!

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Old 01-22-2014, 08:16 AM   #3
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Welcome to AZ (soon)! It's going to be a wonderful 79 degrees today!
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:09 PM   #5
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Thanks, Mommy!!! Matt, too!

I expect we'll get involved with some Jeep or outdoor/hiking group once we get out there. Wife and I met in a hiking club in NY 35+ years ago and have hiked over a good part of the NorthEast. We've visited the Southwest many times and read enough about your lovely country to understand the outdoor safety issues out there.

My concern is not just security of the Jeep itself. It was directed at what equipment -- trying not to get too involved with mechanical Jeep mods. If a stock Rubi can't get therre, we probably don't need to go! [Might walk, though!] -- would be suggested for what we want to do. I'm interested now because I'm still employed and we are putting together the list of "Arizona stuff" we want to buy before we go -- or at least put the money aside.

We've got 9" of snow on the ground right now. It was 12 degrees today [6 right now with negative windchill] and it won't make it to freezing before the weekend -- if then. Flagstaff's high was [is!?] in the 50's today. Sounds like great hiking weather -- and if not there then in Sedona. And if _that_ gets too bad, there's always Prescott and the Verde Valley. And since I see you're in Phoenix, I'll offer that the 80's aren't bad either....
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I took my Freedom Tops off on the way home from work today.

The good news is any "stock" Wrangler from Sport on up has all of the necessary equipment already - plug and play right out of the box - to deal with "easy to maybe moderate trails depending on the trail". I took my totally stock Sport from top to tires (3.73 gears with LSD and max tow) through this trail below (these pics are not all my Jeep but this is the trail we ran). So you don't "need" spendy mecahnical upgrades unless you intend to do majorly difficult hard core trails that absolutely require lifts, bigger tires, beefed up roll cages and all that jazz. (Which sounds to me like you don't.) And your Rubi has the benefit of 4.10 gears if you got them, lockers (ultimately cool piece of mechanics there!) and push button disconnects.

Pics here: My Amazing First Off-Road Adventure Report!!!!!

The few things you "may" want to look at: Upgrading tires (don't have to be bigger but something with beefy sidewalls because rocks can be sharp), lights (Wrangler's headlights suck and the middle of nowhere is beyond dark!) and maybe some extra rock sliders for "just in case" over the RUbi Rails (also gives parking lot door ding protection!). That's all I can think of.

As far as "other equipment" to have IN your Jeep:

-WATER WATER WATER and more water. For real. Even the high desert areas of the state are still "high desert". Options to carry are endless from creative folks who fill their bumper, to more traditional options like Rotopax (flat plastic containers that sort of screw-mount on either an inside rollbar or an outside mount off the tire or jack carrier) to the boring but still works big jugs you tote (you can buy big ones like 5, 7, 15 gallons at outdoor type stores like Bass Outdoor etc). WHatever else you do or don't take, ALWAYS take more water than you think you possibly need.

Of course there is a ton of other stuff that varies from nice to necessary to potentially lifesaving to have if this is the kind of stuff you are asking about (ie recovery straps, air compressor, CB radio, first aid kid, flashlights etc etc etc and on and on). Rather than another long ramble post from me lol - you can put out a post on the main boards and get many many recommendations and things to think about if you ask about recovery/survival/trail gear to carry.

When in Sedona, look up Barlowe's Adventures. It is a Jeep school/rental/tour place. The owner is an awesome lady and EXPERT at off-road named Nena. She was one of the guides on my last run. If you can setup a class with her, I can tell you that you would not regret it!
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I hope you realize Flagstaff on average receives 100" of snow a year and gets very cold every winter. Next winter you'll be happy if it only snows 9" instead of the 3ft that could happen.
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:48 AM   #8
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I live in flagstaff and will be here when you move here also. I've done a few trails up here, Sedona and in phx in my 05 rubicon and it did perfect on all. I also have 33's, 4.5" RE lift, 1"BL, stock D44's with the 4.10 gears (I don't plan on regearing as I do great on the road as my DD and off road). A stock rubicon can get practically everywhere up here and on 70% of the trails in N. Arizona.

As far as security. Don't worry about it up here. My area has had zero break ins in the past few years (per police officer that lives in my development). Keep valuable belongings out of the car (as always) and you'll be fine.
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Yes, as you say, a stock Rubi can go lots of places! The stock tires do quite well here in the desert and if you have 4.10s that t/case will help you just crawl over stuff. The only thing I would say is be ready for scraping on some trails. A lot of trails aren't too bad, but often have one or two tough spots (AZ has a ton of rocks compared to most places) that a JKU will scrape (also breakover clearance)..although often you will also have an alternate to go around. This is why I plan on lifting our JKUR....I hate scraping.

I bring a survival type walking stick always as you never know when you may want to take a little hike. GPS walkie talkies & sunscreen are also always in tow. As MMC said, then there's all the normal wheelin equipment as well (jack, recovery equip, emergency camping supplies, etc etc). And as you already know, there are sooo many hiking trails here. Amazing.

And as Lumberjack or someone else said, Flagstaff actually gets quite a bit of snow. They are high elevation....yes in AZ!! THis state has some of the most diverse landscape around if you ask me. Enjoy!!
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Sorry, it was AverageJK that mentioned the snow in Flag
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Lumberjack,
If you have _any_ connection to NAU I'd really like to know if there is some sort of program there so that us seniors can audit courses without fess -- or for only a nominal fee. Here in CT we can audit any UCONN course with space that we might want. We haven't taken advantage of that here but wife and I would both be thrilled if we could take some Native American anthropology courses. Get to know our new neighbors better and all that. Same goes for geology!

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My wife probably expends more of her computer electrons watching the Flagstaff weather than she does the CT weather. Snow doesn't bother us! And from what we've seen on the Flagstaff weather cams, what falls out there melts quick. We'll have our snow [average is around 40" a year here] on the ground for weeks. Indeed, we have about 9" on the ground now and expect another inch or so this weekend. And "they" say we can expect another round for SuperBowl weekend [good reason to stay indoors and watch the game!] And if the FLG snow does hang around, we will either just stay inside or take the Rubi and head south. If we must go out for groceries, I assume Rubi can make the trip without difficulty.... [I note the FLG snow is all gone and it was in the 40's today!] The FLG _low_ temperature was above our HIGH today.... So, No! we aren't going to worry much about the 100" of snow out there. Indeed, we plan to bring our snowshoes.

And if it matters, we once camped out in 9-below weather, and then climbed a nearby mountain [in the NY Adirondacks] where it was so cold it froze our hot chocolate before we could drink it.... Don't plan to do that again!

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I may have already contaminated the Rubi. I replaced the rock rails with z-Fab steps since my wife couldn't get into the thing without them. It doubtless lowered the clearance -- and the breakover -- a bit. We'll see how bad when we get there. Just have to stay off of the "adventurous" trails.

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We spent a day with one of Nena's Jeeps last spring when we were evaluating whether we wanted to buy one. My wife needed a new car, we knew we were retiring, and had FLG on our very short list. I drove the thing initially [wife had never driven a rental car in all our years of marriage and hadn't driven an automatic in years and didn't feel comfortable] out SneblyHill, out on the Res to GrandFalls [no water unfortunately!]. Presuaded wife to drive it back to Sedona -- and I literally couldn't get it back. She fell in love with it, and ended up with her own....
We actually met Nena at her place [still Barlow 'Rentals' then]. She is indeed an interesting character. We fully intend to take one of her off-road courses. Hopefully I haven't broken Rubi so much it won't qualify.... She publishes some very tough requirements for training vehicles. But I suspect a stock Rubi -- even with z-fabs -- will qualify!

OK! I lie! I actually did get the Rubi back from my wife. She didn't want to drive the Outlaw and Soldier Pass trails and had me do it. Maybe not "a piece of cake" but sufficiently "Jeepish" to impress the wife -- but I suspect the next time we take them on she'll be doing the driving....
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Lumberjack, If you have _any_ connection to NAU I'd really like to know if there is some sort of program there so that us seniors can audit courses without fess -- or for only a nominal fee. Here in CT we can audit any UCONN course with space that we might want. We haven't taken advantage of that here but wife and I would both be thrilled if we could take some Native American anthropology courses. Get to know our new neighbors better and all that. Same goes for geology! Average, My wife probably expends more of her computer electrons watching the Flagstaff weather than she does the CT weather. Snow doesn't bother us! And from what we've seen on the Flagstaff weather cams, what falls out there melts quick. We'll have our snow [average is around 40" a year here] on the ground for weeks. Indeed, we have about 9" on the ground now and expect another inch or so this weekend. And "they" say we can expect another round for SuperBowl weekend [good reason to stay indoors and watch the game!] And if the FLG snow does hang around, we will either just stay inside or take the Rubi and head south. If we must go out for groceries, I assume Rubi can make the trip without difficulty.... The FLG _low_ temperature was above our HIGH today.... So, No! we aren't going to worry much about the 100" of snow out there. Indeed, we plan to bring our snowshoes. And if it matters, we once camped out in 9-below weather, and then climbed a nearby mountain [in the NY Adirondacks] where it was so cold it froze our hot chocolate before we could drink it.... Don't plan to do that again! Matt, I may have already contaminated the Rubi. I replaced the rock rails with z-Fab steps since my wife couldn't get into the thing without them. It doubtless lowered the clearance -- and the breakover -- a bit. We'll see how bad when we get there. Just have to stay off of the "adventurous" trails. Mommy, We spent a day with one of Nena's Jeeps last spring when we were evaluating whether we wanted to buy one. My wife needed a new car, we knew we were retiring, and had FLG on our very short list. I drove the thing initially [wife had never driven a rental car in all our years of marriage and hadn't driven an automatic in years and didn't feel comfortable] out SneblyHill, out on the Res to GrandFalls [no water unfortunately!]. Presuaded wife to drive it back to Sedona -- and I literally couldn't get it back. She fell in love with it, and ended up with her own.... We actually met Nena at her place [still Barlow 'Rentals' then]. She is indeed an interesting character. We fully intend to take one of her off-road courses. Hopefully I haven't broken Rubi so much it won't qualify.... She publishes some very tough requirements for training vehicles. But I suspect a stock Rubi -- even with z-fabs -- will qualify! OK! I lie! I actually did get the Rubi back from my wife. She didn't want to drive the Outlaw and Soldier Pass trails and had me do it. Maybe not "a piece of cake" but sufficiently "Jeepish" to impress the wife -- but I suspect the next time we take them on she'll be doing the driving....
I'm not sure I fully understand what your asking. It are you wanting to take non credit courses at NAU to further your knowledge of the local Native cultures? Or just sit in on classes of the above nature?

I'm actually an Anthropology major focusing on biological Anthropology/bioarchaeology here at NAU.
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I was wondering if it's possible for "senior citizens" -- like my wife and I will be by anyone's age standards when we move there -- to take courses on a non-credit [call them what you will. Around here it's the same as "auditing"] basis at NAU for a greatly reduced fee? We can do so here in Connecticut.

Or intent would be to further our knowledge for the purpose of getting to know our neighbors better and because we are truly interested in Native American pre-Columian history [Hillerman and all may or may not have it right.] Plus, we're interested in what the pictographs mean...
I think that would qualify as "cultural anthropology", but I have to admit, I'm an engineer so my anthropology knowledge is a bit sparse.... "computer anthropology", maybe!!

I say "for reduced fee' because we're not looking for a[nother] degree and I doubt that our budget will allow the thousands per course that regular degree seeking students pay...

If we committed to any course of that nature, I'm sure we'd attend classes "seriously" and not just "drop in" from time to time. But we do intend to travel, so there might be some days we wouldn't make class. But I hope they'd be few and far between.
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Lumber, I was wondering if it's possible for "senior citizens" -- like my wife and I will be by anyone's age standards when we move there -- to take courses on a non-credit [call them what you will. Around here it's the same as "auditing"] basis at NAU for a greatly reduced fee? We can do so here in Connecticut. Or intent would be to further our knowledge for the purpose of getting to know our neighbors better and because we are truly interested in Native American pre-Columian history [Hillerman and all may or may not have it right.] Plus, we're interested in what the pictographs mean... I think that would qualify as "cultural anthropology", but I have to admit, I'm an engineer so my anthropology knowledge is a bit sparse.... "computer anthropology", maybe!! I say "for reduced fee' because we're not looking for a[nother] degree and I doubt that our budget will allow the thousands per course that regular degree seeking students pay... If we committed to any course of that nature, I'm sure we'd attend classes "seriously" and not just "drop in" from time to time. But we do intend to travel, so there might be some days we wouldn't make class. But I hope they'd be few and far between.
You know I'm not really sure they have non credit courses or courses that way here. The best thing to do is possibly go to Coconino community college website and see what they have regarding classes in Native American studies. I'm in a Northern American anthropology class right and our textbook called "this land was theirs" is awesome. You can find it on amazon for a few bucks and shipping is cheap. Get version 7 or 8, as the 9th is $90+ for the same material. If this interest you.

Online classes may be a good idea also. Much cheaper. NAU is pretty expensive, roughly $1000 a class not including books and other fees.
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Arizona State University does allow some audit courses, but not of full academic courses. They are for 50 > years or age or older and run up to 8 weeks. NAU didn't have anything like it that I recall and I left there not long ago.
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Arizona State University does allow some audit courses, but not of full academic courses. They are for 50 > years or age or older and run up to 8 weeks. NAU didn't have anything like it that I recall and I left there not long ago.
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