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11-03-2009, 02:19 PM
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#1 | | Jeeper
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| 93 Gr. Cherokee Rear fit 98 wrangler
I need a new rear end for my 98 wrangler. Found one that is from a 1993 Grand Cherokee. Will this fit my wrangler?
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11-03-2009, 02:35 PM
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#2 | | I do stuff and things.
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The control arms,coil buckets, and shock mounts are not in the same location on the ZJ axle as the wrangler axle.
Will it work...sure but you will have to cut off the old mounts and weld on tj mounts to the axle.
Are you just looking for a D35 two replace yours?
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11-03-2009, 02:42 PM
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#3 | | Jeeper
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I am looking for a replacement.
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11-03-2009, 02:53 PM
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What size tires do you run?
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11-03-2009, 02:54 PM
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#5 | | WF Spec Ops
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Avoid the D44 in the rear or ZJ's at all costs. They have an aluminum center section and are a pile of junk.
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11-03-2009, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AzTJ  Avoid the D44 in the rear or ZJ's at all costs. They have an aluminum center section and are a pile of junk. | I know that WJ D44 axles have aluminum center sections, the older ZJs do too? Someone told me the D44 axles used in the older ZJs were cast iron. 
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11-03-2009, 03:09 PM
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#7 | | Jeeper
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11-03-2009, 03:11 PM
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#8 | | Jeeper
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Sounds like I need to avoid the Cherokee rear end. It is suppose to be a d35.
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11-03-2009, 03:18 PM
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#9 | | WF Spec Ops
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford I know that WJ D44 axles have aluminum center sections, the older ZJs do too? Someone told me the D44 axles used in the older ZJs were cast iron. | Nope, a lot of them had (especially behind V8 models) a D44a (or D44hd depending on who you talk to).
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11-03-2009, 03:19 PM
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#10 | | WF Spec Ops
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Originally Posted by scooter62 Sounds like I need to avoid the Cherokee rear end. It is suppose to be a d35. | Cherokee (XJ's) did come with D44 (the good ones) and D35's. Nothing wrong with them other than using different gear ratios from Wranglers and all the brackets being different. But if you are just looking to swap a D35 for a D35, you'd be better off finding one from a Wrangler than another Jeep model because you'd need all the Wrangler brackets welded on.
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11-03-2009, 03:25 PM
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#11 | | Knows a couple things...
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Originally Posted by AzTJ Nope, a lot of them had (especially behind V8 models) a D44a. | Interesting, I only know enough about ZJs to be dangerious. My son's 2002 JGC has the dreaded D44a rear end and he managed to put a small crack into the bottom of that POS housing on a frigging rock. I'm lining up a guy now who can weld aluminum to take care of it. JB-Weld at least slowed the gear lube leak out of the crack to a drip or two a week now.
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11-03-2009, 03:42 PM
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#12 | | WF Spec Ops
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford Interesting, I only know enough about ZJs to be dangerious. My son's 2002 JGC has the dreaded D44a rear end and he managed to put a small crack into the bottom of that POS housing on a frigging rock. I'm lining up a guy now who can weld aluminum to take care of it. JB-Weld at least slowed the gear lube leak out of the crack to a drip or two a week now. | Yep, they suck the big one. If I remember right they also used them in the Durango as well. Good luck on getting it repaired. 
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11-03-2009, 03:48 PM
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#13 | | Jeeper
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11-03-2009, 04:50 PM
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#14 | | IITYWTMWYBMAB
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Originally Posted by AzTJ Yep, they suck the big one. If I remember right they also used them in the Durango as well. Good luck on getting it repaired. | The main issue with then is the 2 metals, aluminum and cast iron. In theroy the center section it self can take a harder hit than a standard 44, but when it does, it cracks. The shafts are good, 30 spline and the if I recall the pinion gear is dana 60 size. Limited locker selection. There are some folks making truss's for them.. Other known issues is bearing failure.
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11-03-2009, 05:35 PM
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#15 | | WF Spec Ops
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And being two different materials, the center tends to crack where the tubes enter the center section.
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11-03-2009, 05:53 PM
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#16 | | I do stuff and things.
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D44a...main issue...deflection in the case.
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11-03-2009, 06:13 PM
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#17 | | WF Spec Ops
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Originally Posted by distortedtj D44a...main issue...deflection in the case. | Forgot about that as well.
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11-03-2009, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Jeepn The main issue with then is the 2 metals, aluminum and cast iron. In theroy the center section it self can take a harder hit than a standard 44, but when it does, it cracks. The shafts are good, 30 spline and the if I recall the pinion gear is dana 60 size. Limited locker selection. There are some folks making truss's for them.. Other known issues is bearing failure. | My wife's '99 JGC had 3 or 4 bearing failures in her D44a within 75K miles but the bearings in the D44a in the 2002 JGC she replaced it with have been fine with 131K miles on the clock. They must have figured out how to fix the bearing issue by 2002. 
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11-03-2009, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford My wife's '99 JGC had 3 or 4 bearing failures in her D44a within 75K miles but the bearings in the D44a in the 2002 JGC she replaced it with have been fine with 131K miles on the clock. They must have figured out how to fix the bearing issue by 2002. | I'm keeping my fingers crossed. The wife has a D44a in here 2004. Only 43K on it as of now but we'll see.
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