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Old 05-16-2012, 04:57 AM   #91
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If mine hadnt just takin a crap last weekend in BB ide let ya use mine. Looks like im in the market for a new air solution.

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Alright everyone. It has come to my attention that I forgot to designate runs for the advanced guys and gals. So I am going to leave that up to those that wish to be trail leaders to decide on where they wish to go. It seems that the popular spots are Holcomb, John Bull and Dishpan. I was thinking that if the group is as large as it was in Calico, then have the advanced group split into or maybe three groups depending on size and each hit a specific trail. If anyone has any suggestions or knows of other trails that may be calling, let me know. Also, if anyone wishes to be a trail leader, please post up your interest and I can update that info also.

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Those are all great trails. Holcomb is probably the easiest of the 3 followed by DS and JB. As long as the Jeep has proper upgrades, they shouldnt be too bad. There are currently 18 people signed up to go, but it is hard to determine the rigs biuld or driver experience. As stated above, it is possible to have 3 groups. Jeff is already mentioned that he is taking a group through Gold Mountain, maybe we can start getting a headcount for that trail as well. I would be more than happy to lead a group. Each group (depending on size) could possibly a tailgunner with a CB as well.
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If mine hadnt just takin a crap last weekend in BB ide let ya use mine. Looks like im in the market for a new air solution.
Sorry to hear that Coop a Loop.

That's why I never use my OBO Arb to filling up my 37s. Not enough faith.

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  • I can lead an advanced group on any of the trails in Big Bear as well.
    -Always happy to help where I can.
  • Dishpan is a good 45 minutes on the highway from our camping spot. Just an FYI.


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[*]I can lead an advanced group on any of the trails in Big Bear as well.
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[*]Dishpan is a good 45 minutes on the highway from our camping spot. Just an FYI.


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I know you're a local. But I would hate to run that trail "down" towards lake arrowhead.

Just me, though.
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  • I can lead an advanced group on any of the trails in Big Bear as well.
    -Always happy to help where I can.
  • Dishpan is a good 45 minutes on the highway from our camping spot. Just an FYI.


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Yes, Dishpan is a ways from Hanna Flats. The best way to run it would be to exit back out (a couple miles) to Hwy 38 which turns into Hwy 18. Take the Hwy to Hwy 173 to the Pinnacles in Arrowhead and drive up through 3n34 to deep Creek (very Scenic) and through Holcomb. Those not staying friday would drive there as a starting point.
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Yes, Dishpan is a ways from Hanna Flats. The best way to run it would be to exit back out (a couple miles) to Hwy 38 which turns into Hwy 18. Take the Hwy to Hwy 173 to the Pinnacles in Arrowhead and drive up through 3n34 to deep Creek (very Scenic) and through Holcomb. Those not staying friday would drive there as a starting point.
That's exactly what I would do. I would take a group through Dishpan and optionally run through Holcomb to end back up at camp.
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i would like to do john bull again. also trails that are not listed in the wells book, that are difficult, but i don't know what they are. one that comes to mind is onyx summit, ive just heard of this trail.
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i would like to do john bull again. also trails that are not listed in the wells book, that are difficult, but i don't know what they are. one that comes to mind is onyx summit, ive just heard of this trail.
Onyx is a great trail, lots of different terrain.
Dishpan is almost like doing two different trails if you first go down, eat lunch at Deep Creek, then drive up dishpan.
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i would like to do john bull again. also trails that are not listed in the wells book, that are difficult, but i don't know what they are. one that comes to mind is onyx summit, ive just heard of this trail.
Yeah, Stan is right Onyx is a great trail and the surrounding area is nice. The trail is on the right (east) side of Hwy 38 coming up the hill. The Wells book does not list it as Onyx, I believe its Tip Top Mountain (2N90). The other Difficult Trails for BB in the book besides Dishpan, Holcomb and Bull are Gold Mountain (Jeff is leading) and Heartbreak Ridge (also on the east side of 38) and could be run with Onyx summit.
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There are some more trails listed on the Big Bear Forest fest page:

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I'm curious if you guys agree with the difficulty ratings? According to that, Holcomb is the same difficulty as Gold Mountain (both rated medium). Though I've heard that Gold Mtn is easy. I definitely didn't think Holcomb was easy. Maybe easier now with a front locker though.

Someone should probably come up with requirements for each trail. Like many, if someone doesn't tell me I can't do a more difficult one, I might choose it. I don't want to slow people down though.
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The above image is a guideline.

You can make Gold Mountain a "Hard" trail if you decide to run the 4-door lines on a 2-door and the 2-door lines with a 4-door...

Same goes with Holcomb Creek. Spotters and the line choices are very critical on these trails and could make a trail that is hard difficulty an easy trail. And you can make an easy trail a hardcore trail.

The exception, John Bull. You can minimize damage with a great spotter or you can break shit with a Mediocre spotter.
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Dakota and I would like to do John Bull. That makes 3 of us so far with Brad.
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Dakota and I would like to do John Bull. That makes 3 of us so far with Brad.
John Bull is a great trail. The Wells book considers it the most difficult trail in Big Bear. If you make it past the gatekeeper (about the first 1/4 mile of the trail) It is not too bad beypond that...



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The above image is a guideline.

You can make Gold Mountain a "Hard" trail if you decide to run the 4-door lines on a 2-door and the 2-door lines with a 4-door...

Same goes with Holcomb Creek. Spotters and the line choices are very critical on these trails and could make a trail that is hard difficulty an easy trail. And you can make an easy trail a hardcore trail.

The exception, John Bull. You can minimize damage with a great spotter or you can break shit with a Mediocre spotter.
I agree that a good spotter can make all the difference in a fun day and a bad day. The guide posted about What is recommended sounds to be pretty accurate from my experience. While I have gotten bone stock Jeeps through Gold Mtn. One may expect to get a tug or a couple of attempts if unlocked and smaller tires. But on a side note, that can be half the fun in getting a stock rig through a black diamond trail.

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Alright all...so it ain't a party without the "Taj" so I made sure to get a spot reserved finally (dont want to get have a reoccurence of last trip to big bear...and wait til the last minute when there are no more spots, and then scramble to find a willing person to split a site with me...I appreciate that btw Brad). Anyways you can find the Taj at spot 63.

As far as trails go...I am down for another run through John Bull, or anything else for that matter.

and since I havent been on here in a while, I figure I might as well poke some fun by stating that lockers are for wimps

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For you guys who are looking for fun on Gold Mountain. This is the in between line. (not the far left and not the far right)

This is by far the hardest line and I wouldn't try to go up. But going down was a like a Turd teeter @ Calico. Scary as hell to say the least.



This is another section you guys will have to go through! Looks like a trail. Somewhere?

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For you guys who are looking for fun on Gold Mountain. This is the in between line. (not the far left and not the far right)

This is by far the hardest line and I wouldn't try to go up. But going down was a like a Turd teeter @ Calico. Scary as hell to say the least.


This is another section you guys will have to go through! Looks like a trail. Somewhere?
That looks like fun! I might end up doing that run depending on what run the advanced group is doing.

I'd like to essentially do and Intermediate run, looks like this might be it.

While we're talking about Gold Mountain: Anyone looking to do it ahead of time, checkout my run for June 9th:
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For you guys who are looking for fun on Gold Mountain. This is the in between line. (not the far left and not the far right)

This is by far the hardest line and I wouldn't try to go up. But going down was a like a Turd teeter @ Calico. Scary as hell to say the least.



This is another section you guys will have to go through! Looks like a trail. Somewhere?

In the first pic, is that the first obstical from the highway side? If so, it is doable with a front locker and good spotting. Going down looked scarier to me.

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John Bull is a great trail. The Wells book considers it the most difficult trail in Big Bear. If you make it past the gatekeeper (about the first 1/4 mile of the trail) It is not too bad beypond that...
I don't know. Trails change all the time, but when we did John Bull at the M&G last July, it seemed like there was more challenging stuff beyond the gatekeeper. It was more like if you can't get past the gatekeeper, don't bother because it only gets tougher.

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I don't know. Trails change all the time, but when we did John Bull at the M&G last July, it seemed like there was more challenging stuff beyond the gatekeeper. It was more like if you can't get past the gatekeeper, don't bother because it only gets tougher.
Definitely...I think the Gatekeeper was one of the easier sections of the trail that day haha
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ya the hardest part for us was the ledge about a quarter mile up past the gatekeeper. right before you get to the top. . .

this part. had to go up this in the rain, and it did a lot of damage to my under carriage.

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In the first pic, is that the first obstical from the highway side? If so, it is doable with a front locker and good spotting. Going down looked scarier to me.

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ya, it's the first obstacle from the highway side just before the rutted rocky area.
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ya the hardest part for us was the ledge about a quarter mile up past the gatekeeper. right before you get to the top. . .

this part. had to go up this in the rain, and it did a lot of damage to my under carriage.

I agree that trails change constantly (which is good) I guess the confusion is in the fact that I am lumping that whole 1st section together. There are several bad areas in the beginning...maybe its more like a 1/2 mile or so, not sure exactly. But i still contend that once you get past that section, aside from a few rocky areas, it is more a moderate trail than a black diamond. No other areas that require spotting etc. I have run it 3 times in the past 6 months, the most recent in February. It looks like we can put this on the list and see if we need a third based on interest. We have a wide gap between JB and Gold Mountain.
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