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Old 11-15-2012, 04:40 PM   #31
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I second Rob on Crab Flats/Holcomb Valley ... 3N16 is definitely the road you want ... it's passable even for cars but has enough ups and downs to still be fun ... There are different ways to get there .... I'm actually leading some 2WD buddies up there this weekend ... I'm taking them up Grapevine (4N16) and down through Holcomb ... Coxey (3N14) is another option to enter/exit the SBNF ... Both Coxey/Grapevine will dump you off on HWY18 outside of Lucerne Valley

Coxey and Grapevine can get pretty rutted from time to time and has some soft spots and loose gravel ... if it is washed out might require 4x4 in spots but most often is passable for 2WD with good ground clearance ... I can let you know how they look after this weekend if you are interested

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Old 11-15-2012, 04:59 PM   #32
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Let me know how it looks.

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Old 11-15-2012, 07:17 PM   #33
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WILCO ... I'll have something posted up for you on Sunday ...

Grapevine is "moderate" (because it gets narrow in spots and has some switchbacks) in one small section but otherwise "easy"... I'll let you know if any erosion or tight spots would make it hard for your group ... I will have a Tacoma PreRunner and a 2WD Commander (I didn't know they made them) in my group ... plus I will be in the wife's Liberty

Grapevine has some awesome views of the Desert and some pretty big rock outcrops that are fun to get out and climb on ... I like taking this way because it's the fastest way for me to get up into the pines from the desert ... plus the transition from desert to forest is pretty dramatic ... good way to come down too ... just hook a left on HWY 18 and you'll head into Apple Valley/Victorville and can get on the 15 to head down the hill

If Grapevine is not a good option then there is Coxey ... Coxey is rated "easy" and is well traveled and altogether shouldn't be a problem for a big truck ... so long as the road isn't washed out ... I'll double check if I have time

Either which way you take to get there ... From Crab Flats ... From Baldwin Lake ... or from the desert via coxey/grapevine ... 3N16 is definitely the end goal here ... Everyone in your group will have a blast
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:02 PM   #34
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Another good run is 1N09 off 330 its just north of the passing lane and a few turns after the Rangers station to the right..its a beautiful drive along the front of the San Bernardino mountains and above Highland with lots of sites along the way. U'll come out on hwy 38 just north of 7 oaks right around Jinks lake...and the girl scouts camp....check it out ....!
O and one more thing...u'll pass by little Bear creak witch comes from Big Bear dam...the best part is its all in front of the Mountains so u'll save a lot of time driving to the trail head...
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:31 PM   #35
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Another good run is 1N09 off 330 its just north of the passing lane and a few turns after the Rangers station to the right..its a beautiful drive along the front of the San Bernardino mountains and above Highland with lots of sites along the way. U'll come out on hwy 38 just north of 7 oaks right around Jinks lake...and the girl scouts camp....check it out ....!
O and one more thing...u'll pass by little Bear creak witch comes from Big Bear dam...the best part is its all in front of the Mountains so u'll save a lot of time driving to the trail head...
Check with a ranger station before you do 1N09. It's a great drive, but, there's a gate at Bear Creek that is often closed and you can't get around it.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:52 PM   #36
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Check with a ranger station before you do 1N09. It's a great drive, but, there's a gate at Bear Creek that is often closed and you can't get around it.
The guys at the ranger station won't know. Two weeks ago I asked they said basically the gates can be closed at anytime. Just test your luck. The weather had been good so it's probably open.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:01 PM   #37
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I didn't realize they had put a gate at Bear creek ...I guess its been minute sence I've been through there ....but even if the gate was closed when they got to the creek, its still a good long run even if they had to turn around and backtrack ...
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:51 PM   #38
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Just got back from the mountains ... as promised here is the report on Grapevine Canyon:

I don't know where the "moderate" rating came from. It is "easy" for a 4x4 IMO ... but does come with it's own set of challenges for a 2WD. My assessment... doable for a 2WD (because I never shifted out of it). HOWEVER, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT FOR A FULL SIZE PICKUP. It gets pretty tight in spots; Narrow roads (some washed out ledges make it even narrower) and at one point there was a hefty sized rock exposed in the middle of the road that would be fun with a Jeep ... but would a 2WD vehicle would need to go around it. Not sure that a full sized pickup would fit ... I chose to go around because my Liberty doesn't have the clearance ... and I had about 4-6" to spare. That was going up ... coming down shouldn't be a problem so long as the truck has adequate clearance. To boot there is a lot of soft sand which could prove difficult for a 2WD pickup.

All in all it is a fun drive and I would recommend anyone go just for the views alone. But 2WD Pickups I would steer towards Coxey instead. They would definitely come off the hill feeling accomplished.
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll check Coxey. I think I have some pretty nervous nellies coming out this first trip and want smooth sailing for them.
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll check Coxey. I think I have some pretty nervous nellies coming out this first trip and want smooth sailing for them.
I won't say it again. Crab Flats Road. Enough said. Lol
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:50 AM   #41
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:14 AM   #42
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I won't say it again. Crab Flats Road. Enough said. Lol
lol ... I'm in full agreement ... all my suggestions are just ways to get to/from Crab Flats Road ... I was up there today ... I love that area!
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:28 PM   #43
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Hey Gunner ... did you ever make this run with your 2wd friends?
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It is up on the board. Christmas fun run thread.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:59 PM   #45
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So it is ... thanks

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