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Old 05-19-2013, 09:11 PM   #61
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Valve stems.....Flexibles not hard ones..Some of this is just new thoughts for me.
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The rest of the recovery gear is scattered around the rig accessible according to how often it has been used. My strap for towing and anchor duty is right on top easy to grab because it is the single most used recovery item I have.

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Putting out a feeler for a early july trip to run a hammer trail. I've never been and an Am interested in trying out the jeep on one. Any interest? Thoughts? Am I over my head?
I don't think my Dana 30 axles would survive the hammers unless someone here has a different perspective.

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Tom you most likely have a 30 in the front and a 35 or 44 in back. The 30 can be made pretty strong. Do you know what's in back
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I think what we need to do here is to actually do some wheeling on the Hammer trails so then we can all talk about the trails..he he
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I don't think my Dana 30 axles would survive the hammers unless someone here has a different perspective.
Properly upgraded D30 axles survive some well known Hammers trails on a regular basis. Upgrading the axle shafts to hardened alloy shafts with a good u-joint like Spicer's 5-760x is a good recipe for the non-extreme JV trails. I broke my stock D30 axle shaft on Sledgehammer but replaced the front axle shafts with Warn's (now discontinued) 27 spline hardened shafts & had no more front axle problems the next couple trips to JV, one redoing Sledgehammer with just a blown steering box. It turns out that aftermarket steering box was doomed before I even started with an unnoticed cracked seal. A high-pinion D30 out of an XJ with 27 or 30 spline alloy shafts is a pretty commonly seen front axle out there. So long as your tire size is limited to 35" & you avoid doing things that are sure to break something, I wouldn't worry too much. My broken axle shaft might not have even happened had I not given it too much gas when the steering wheel was cranked over all the way which places the most stress on the u-joints and ears that hold them.
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Properly upgraded D30 axles survive some well known Hammers trails on a regular basis. Upgrading the axle shafts to hardened alloy shafts with a good u-joint like Spicer's 5-760x is a good recipe for the non-extreme JV trails. I broke my stock D30 axle shaft on Sledgehammer but replaced the front axle shafts with Warn's (now discontinued) 27 spline hardened shafts & had no more front axle problems the next couple trips to JV, one redoing Sledgehammer with just a blown steering box. It turns out that aftermarket steering box was doomed before I even started with an unnoticed cracked seal. A high-pinion D30 out of an XJ with 27 or 30 spline alloy shafts is a pretty commonly seen front axle out there. So long as your tire size is limited to 35" & you avoid doing things that are sure to break something, I wouldn't worry too much. My broken axle shaft might not have even happened had I not given it too much gas when the steering wheel was cranked over all the way which places the most stress on the u-joints and ears that hold them.
I've seen a few people who have broken dana 30 axle shafts on the newer JKs and some TJs. Most of the time I like to ask how was it that it broke and it somehow ends up being a little to much gas. I run a dana 30 with axle disconect on stock axle shafts and I know that one day I'll snap an axle, but I am aware that as long as I drive smart I can probably be ok.
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The secret for a successful trip out on the rocks is.... slow and steady... keep the jeep moving with constant forward pressure. I see it every time I go on a run with people not familiar with running rocks..they tend to do the start stop motion only thinking about one rock at a time. This is where things tend to break and or you get hung up on a rock. The biggest issue with the Hammer trails isn't that the rocks are big...because you can find big rocks on lots of trails...its that your climbing steep canyons with big rocks and this is were you really need low gears. Your jeep needs low gears not just in the axles but in the t-case with at least a 4.1 ratio to help keep that constant steady forward movement. Now with that being said if you drive with a stop start motion with all the torque of the low gears and all the resistance for both the rocks and the steep canyon you will have an even bigger chance of breakage. This is why I feel one needs to really hone there skills on flat canyons like Matino wash or Marble Canyon before attempting steep inclined canyons like out in JV first.
This is just my $.02 based on my own experiences on these trails.
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This thread has been an excellent read thanks to Blaine. Our group has started getting into harder trails where things are starting to break and we have already found ourselves ill prepared. It served as a big wake up call for our group and helped us realize how important it is to go prepared.

I know most of these things you can only learn from experience, so thanks for the head start
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The secret for a successful trip out on the rocks is.... slow and steady... keep the jeep moving with constant forward pressure. I see it every time I go on a run with people not familiar with running rocks..they tend to do the start stop motion only thinking about one rock at a time. This is where things tend to break and or you get hung up on a rock. The biggest issue with the Hammer trails isn't that the rocks are big...because you can find big rocks on lots of trails...its that your climbing steep canyons with big rocks and this is were you really need low gears. Your jeep needs low gears not just in the axles but in the t-case with at least a 4.1 ratio to help keep that constant steady forward movement. Now with that being said if you drive with a stop start motion with all the torque of the low gears and all the resistance for both the rocks and the steep canyon you will have an even bigger chance of breakage. This is why I feel one needs to really hone there skills on flat canyons like Matino wash or Marble Canyon before attempting steep inclined canyons like out in JV first.
This is just my $.02 based on my own experiences on these trails.
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Unfortunately you hit on the big difference between an auto and a manual. You can easily navigate the trails out there on 35's with 3:73's, stock gearing in a 231 and with just the teensiest bit of finesse, have a great time.

Try the same with a manual and you will hate the trails, yourself, and your rig by the time the day is done. Hopefully you haven't abused your buddies so much that they don't like wheeling out there with you any more.

You do make a good point about how steep some of those trails are though. If you run Full of Hate, there is about 300 yards of very easy gravel and dirt two track when you get past the hard stuff near the top on the way out to Wrecking Ball.

David broke a rear axle and since we were so close to the out, we decided to 3 wheel him out and fix it at camp. That upper road is so steep that you can not drive up it in 3 wheel drive. We had to winch him with about 15 anchor point changes because if the anchor was slightly angled, he would just slide off to the side when he started slipping tires. Miserable.
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I've been there for some good jeep abuse but haven't made any enemies yet...but I haven't been wheeling out there with anyone from this forum yet....lol
Besides a good group of guys from New Berry Springs I hit the the Hammers with Chuck Shaner, Mike Wickham (these guys along with Chuck's son cut these trails) and a few others from VV 4 Wheelers ... a club I'm extremely proud to be apart of...
My jeep will be an automatic by the end of the summer....I just need the time to get er done.
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I've been there for some good jeep abuse but haven't made any enemies yet...but I haven't been wheeling out there with anyone from this forum yet....lol
Besides a good group of guys from New Berry Springs I hit the the Hammers with Chuck Shaner, Mike Wickham (these guys along with Chuck's son cut these trails) and a few others from VV 4 Wheelers ... a club I'm extremely proud to be apart of...
My jeep will be an automatic by the end of the summer....I just need the time to get er done.
But autos take all the fun out of it lol
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But autos take all the fun out of it lol
I thought that too and even swapped an nv3550 (5 speed manual) in to replace the stock ax15, but after awhile I realized I wanted to go auto. Now that its done, I feel like after lockers, its the best upgrade I made. I currently have 4.88s and would like to go to 5.13s or 5.38s, but because of the auto, I don't think I will be going back to a 4-1 TC, the 231 has been low enough.
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This thread has been an excellent read thanks to Blaine. Our group has started getting into harder trails where things are starting to break and we have already found ourselves ill prepared. It served as a big wake up call for our group and helped us realize how important it is to go prepared.

I know most of these things you can only learn from experience, so thanks for the head start
What trails are you guys finding yourselves breaking on..?
And what parts are breaking....if you don't mind sharing...
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LOL so much for the more control of manual !

Auto let's you concentrate on the task at hand.
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On John bull I very seldom went out of the 1000 to 2000 rpm range. Most was done at 1500. I just didn't need more than that to climb.
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I thought that too and even swapped an nv3550 (5 speed manual) in to replace the stock ax15, but after awhile I realized I wanted to go auto. Now that its done, I feel like after lockers, its the best upgrade I made. I currently have 4.88s and would like to go to 5.13s or 5.38s, but because of the auto, I don't think I will be going back to a 4-1 TC, the 231 has been low enough.


I'm going to be regearing from my 3.73's real soon, do you suggest I go 5.13's or 4.88s? My dad's JK has 5.13's with 37's and man it is sweet, no kicking down 4 gears to go up one hill....
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I'm going to be regearing from my 3.73's real soon, do you suggest I go 5.13's or 4.88s? My dad's JK has 5.13's with 37's and man it is sweet, no kicking down 4 gears to go up one hill....
Just wondering if your staying with 35"s or do you see a bigger tire in your future?
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I'm going to be regearing from my 3.73's real soon, do you suggest I go 5.13's or 4.88s? My dad's JK has 5.13's with 37's and man it is sweet, no kicking down 4 gears to go up one hill....
That's so cool that your dad got a jeep too.. I am thinking of setting up another run the last week of June or over 4th of July weekend, so hopefully you guys can make it out.

Do you have a 3 speed auto? If so the charts are saying that you are at 2300 rpms at 65. Look at the charts and you can see where you would be with 5.13s. It looks like 3200 rpm and that is higher than I would like. I have a 4 speed and I'm currently at 2500 rpms at 65 so I will probably go to 5.13.
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That's so cool that your dad got a jeep too.. I am thinking of setting up another run the last week of June or over 4th of July weekend, so hopefully you guys can make it out.

Do you have a 3 speed auto? If so the charts are saying that you are at 2300 rpms at 65. Look at the charts and you can see where you would be with 5.13s. It looks like 3200 rpm and that is higher than I would like. I have a 4 speed and I'm currently at 2500 rpms at 65 so I will probably go to 5.13.
4.88s are as deep as you can get in the D30s
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On John bull I very seldom went out of the 1000 to 2000 rpm range. Most was done at 1500. I just didn't need more than that to climb.
John Bull is probably the toughest trail in Big Bear but it's a walk in the park compared to any of the Hammers trails in JV.
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4.88s are as deep as you can get in the D30s
I was thinking he had 44s.... if he has the 3 speed, 4.88s might be all he needs anyways..
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I was thinking he had 44s.... if he has the 3 speed, 4.88s might be all he needs anyways..
Oh he may if he did a swap. I was just going off his profile sayin he had a sport
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John Bull is probably the toughest trail in Big Bear but it's a walk in the park compared to any of the Hammers trails in JV.
I cant wait til we can get some seat time out there in our race car
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I cant wait til we can get some seat time out there in our race car
How the.Xj comin?
Did you guys pick up that truck....?
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Did you guys pick up that truck....?
Ya buddy! Also ordered the suspension for it yesterday
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As of right now, I think we are set with XJ parts but I will keep that in mind. Thanks!
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But autos take all the fun out of it lol
If you mean this kind of fun, then yes, you are correct. This was speeded up and shortened due to us spending literally 45 minutes with my friend getting him through there purely for the entertainment factor.

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Oh he may if he did a swap. I was just going off his profile sayin he had a sport

yea, still a 30 up front, gonna swap sometime soon but gonna definetly want to regear for that so I will prolly go 4.88's, anything has to be better than these 3.73's

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