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Old 06-09-2013, 05:04 PM   #151
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I'll keep an eye out for the PRP seat review. I sat in a Mastercraft Rubicon seat today and man is it nice. I like how high the sides are to hold you in when your off camber. I really don't like the stock seats at all.
I've yet to sit in any suspension seat that was comfortable getting in and out of more than once or twice a day and I've sat in most of them at one time or another. The advantage I have is I get to see a lot of rigs and a lot of ways folks set them up and nothing is easier to get in and out of than the stock seats.

That very same bolster that feels so huggy and comfy when you finally get your ass parked in it is a real thigh bruiser climbing over it. Before you buy any, try to sit in some that are mounted in a Jeep like yours.

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Interesting. I thought about what you said and yes IIRC my wheelbase with a 4" lift is actually shorter. So I would gain hardly anything over stock.
Yep, that is the big "gotcha" with the stretch kits. They advertise them as moving the axle 5" which it does, but it does not add 5" over stock. So, in a hypothetical world, if you had 94" of stock wheelbase, you think you will wind up with 99 and who wouldn't pay a few bucks for 99" of wheelbase, right?

The reality is you are probably somewhere around 92" of WB and adding 5 to that doesn't sound nearly as impressive. The way they arrive at the number is how far the face of the tank is slid back or something similar. So yeah, you will get 5" inches of movement, you just have to know that it is that number plus what you have now, not what you had stock.

I've seen a lot of folks toss around being able to get 102" with a stretch kit and they do so by adding advertised numbers instead of using a tape measure. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt than trying to get 102" in a TJ is not easy and for giggles, that blue one is 104" actual with the stock TJ tub.

This one is 102 and it was a lot of work to get it there.



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I've talked to a few guys and like you they say if you are going to stretch, do it once. I know it's really expensive to do it, so it sounds like it's not even worth it for a couple inches. I wheel with LJ's all the time and there isn't an obstacle that I haven't been able to climb that they have.

Thanks for the input on that. You make it a lot easier for me to see things from a logical perspective.
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I've yet to sit in any suspension seat that was comfortable getting in and out of more than once or twice a day and I've sat in most of them at one time or another. The advantage I have is I get to see a lot of rigs and a lot of ways folks set them up and nothing is easier to get in and out of than the stock seats.

That very same bolster that feels so huggy and comfy when you finally get your ass parked in it is a real thigh bruiser climbing over it. Before you buy any, try to sit in some that are mounted in a Jeep like yours.
That's why I went with PRP's Daily Driver model whose bolster isn't high like I believe you're thinking of. It is intended to be ingressed/egressed easily which is why they named it the Daily Driver. It has a suspension frame as well so I'm betting I'll like it long-term. Aaron, the owner of PRP, talked me out of their deep bolstered models for the very reason you give.
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I sold Procar seats for 5 years. Bolsters and me don't get along.
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One of the big problems I have is coming off a big rock and the tire slips coming down and BAM the rear bumper hits and sends a shock thru the jeep. That really hurts my back. I am looking at ways to control the decent and to eliminate or reduce my overhang. And heck I have spent tons of money on stupid stuff over the years. That's how you get smarter. You learn from your mistakes.
Good brakes help. There are some other tricks that aren't that costly that will help as well. First is to raise the rear bumper up and get rid of the body lift pucks over the rear bumper.

And then there is always the option of getting a bit carried away. That aluminum skid is covering the bottom of a custom aluminum tank I designed and had built. It fit up through the hole formed by the area between the bumper crossmember at the rear, shock crossmember at the front and the two frame rails at either side.

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Being an LJ, my bumper would hit alot. So here is what I did:
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I've yet to sit in any suspension seat that was comfortable getting in and out of more than once or twice a day and I've sat in most of them at one time or another. The advantage I have is I get to see a lot of rigs and a lot of ways folks set them up and nothing is easier to get in and out of than the stock seats.

That very same bolster that feels so huggy and comfy when you finally get your ass parked in it is a real thigh bruiser climbing over it. Before you buy any, try to sit in some that are mounted in a Jeep like yours.
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That's why I went with PRP's Daily Driver model whose bolster isn't high like I believe you're thinking of. It is intended to be ingressed/egressed easily which is why they named it the Daily Driver. It has a suspension frame as well so I'm betting I'll like it long-term. Aaron, the owner of PRP, talked me out of their deep bolstered models for the very reason you give.
I don't think getting in will be a problem at all. Really the only concern I have with these seats is not being able to recline for long road trips. The ones that recline are a lot more.
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Being an LJ, my bumper would hit alot. So here is what I did:
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Good brakes help. There are some other tricks that aren't that costly that will help as well. First is to raise the rear bumper up and get rid of the body lift pucks over the rear bumper.

And then there is always the option of getting a bit carried away. That aluminum skid is covering the bottom of a custom aluminum tank I designed and had built. It fit up through the hole formed by the area between the bumper crossmember at the rear, shock crossmember at the front and the two frame rails at either side.

My first thought is to use a smaller bumper and then hang the tire on the tub. I still use this as a DD and while the second option looks tempting I'm afraid I might loose either fuel capacity or interior space.

Won't I pick up some extra flex just by putting in the Savvy upper and lower CA's and keeping the stock WB? I have teraflex lowers and stock uppers now. I mean just how modified do you have to go to run a Hammer trail.
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DTM: I see you moved the rear bumper up a few inches. How or what else did you do to achieve the new bumper height?
Not real easy but for me worth the effort. I had to make new bumper brackets... Also not my favorite bumper, but I used this one to give me as much clearance as I could get. When I ran John Bull, I only hit the bumper once. Way better then last time...
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I like how you moved the bumper up. Mine is a solid chunk of steel. I bet it is 120 lbs. Im thinking if I replace it with a Savvy and make sure it's tucked up tight and then a Genright swing away tub mount tire carrier. I am going to loose close to 100 pounds on the rear and pick up some clearance. I think the Savvy bumper is about 10 and the Genright is 25 so 90 and some extra height ought to help. Maybe a Savvy gas tank skid too.
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I mean just how modified do you have to go to run a Hammer trail.
I told you where to look for pics.

Your level of build is entirely dependent upon your desires based on how many times you plan on running trails out there. If you have 35's, roughly 4" of lift and some decent clearance, the rig can be readily made to get over most of the trails we normally run.

You may not enjoy the amount of effort it takes or all the crunchy noises you will hear, but it is very doable.

There are places like this on every trail so it matters not which one you pick.









In case you were wondering what stability looks like in almost real life.





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So I looked and saw a bunch of flat belly, longer travel jeeps. Some on Coil overs and some on short arms and coils. Hard to tell a lot about the running gear but I can see the terrain and it looks like fun. But maybe i'm not ready yet. Heck I would need an LJ just to carry spares.
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So I looked and saw a bunch of flat belly, longer travel jeeps. Some on Coil overs and some on short arms and coils. Hard to tell a lot about the running gear but I can see the terrain and it looks like fun. But maybe i'm not ready yet. Heck I would need an LJ just to carry spares.
JV is a tricky place especially when some foolio like me is posting pics to mess with you.

Look at this one which looks pretty intense for a normal rig. What you aren't seeing is why he has to take that line which is due to his extra width and the longer wheelbase putting his tires in spots that a normal wheelbase rig won't have to deal with.



Here is what a normal rig looks like going through the same spot.

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Are pictures 1 & 5 in the first group of pics taken in the same place? It looked like the first jeep was on its side but them I saw the other jeep at a front angle and it looks more like the line....I know we all tend to think we are more over than we really are, but that looks close to being over....
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Are pictures 1 & 5 in the first group of pics taken in the same place? It looked like the first jeep was on its side but them I saw the other jeep at a front angle and it looks more like the line....I know we all tend to think we are more over than we really are, but that looks close to being over....
No, 1 is the end of Sunbonnet and 5 is 1/3 of the way into Outer Limits.

This is the early part of Sledge and this pic was taken while the vehicle was in motion and I'll tell you right now that riding with Sergey is not for the faint of heart.



If you are afeared of leaning your rig over, you won't be after a few trips out there.

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Blaine watch out. People are going to find out you have a sense of humor. That looks like so much fun.
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Those pics make me realize I should definitely should upgrade to 35x12.50s with some wider offset wheels for a little more stability. Got the suspension travel though,

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Wish it wasn't so expensive to go flat belly on JKs.
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Why not 37's kenny?
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Why not 37's kenny?
Bc that's to big. I don't want to just roll right over everything. Even though it's more expensive to only go up a couple sizes and then later go bigger. You learn how to maneuver your rig better. And I love doing funkier lines than others with bigger tires bc it give me personal satisfaction of being better. Lol. Wrong but its a good feeling.
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No, 1 is the end of Sunbonnet and 5 is 1/3 of the way into Outer Limits.

This is the early part of Sledge and this pic was taken while the vehicle was in motion and I'll tell you right now that riding with Sergey is not for the faint of heart.



If you are afeared of leaning your rig over, you won't be after a few trips out there.

That looks like a great time to be had. To bad my yj won't see those trails for a few more years. I do want to go check them out to at least know where they are located. How far are this trails from cougar buttes?
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I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
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I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
I dont think your jeep has a chance Stan.
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I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
I wanna go. I'm now accepting offers to take someone else's jeep out there for them.
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I wanna go. I'm now accepting offers to take someone else's jeep out there for them.
I'll be passenger/spotter on passenger side.
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I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
I think with all your recent additions, your definitely ready for it Stan!
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I think with all your recent additions, your definitely ready for it Stan!
We need a trip out later this year. Looks fun.
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We need a trip out later this year. Looks fun.
Sounds good and yeah it needs to be after summer...
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Yeah..you guys need to get out there and live a little...lol
I also would like to see your jeeps with some tattoos and beauty marks too...
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That looks like a great time to be had. To bad my yj won't see those trails for a few more years. I do want to go check them out to at least know where they are located. How far are this trails from cougar buttes?
Its another 15/20 miles down the road from Camp rock rd off Means dry lake rd...

Keep in mind that we may not have these trails to much longer...
So a couple more years maybe to late.

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