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Old 12-18-2013, 10:18 PM   #31
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There is just very little info on that trail, would love to try and run it before it becomes inaccessible
I checked the Extreme Wheelers 4 Christ site and their very nice map hasn't been updated with Spooner's, Elvis, or any of the Cougar Buttes stuff.

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Old 12-18-2013, 10:25 PM   #32
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Very well said, it's all part of the wheelin adventure
You weren't kidding about the entrance of Sunbonnet, the left line is cool though. Seems like the Highways have gotten a little more challenging, we both came very close to flopping at one point. After all that we went in search of the illustrious Elvis, second time we have done that, still haven't found it. We did come across a flat stretch of desert that had a boat load of old concrete practice bombs laying around. The stuff you come across in the desert.
I've never been able to predict what running races on the trails will do to them. The plaque at Jack is stupid hard now, Upper Big Johnson, Lower Big Johnson, Claw are all just about mowed flat.

The last fall on Outer Limits is ridiculous now, and I found Highway 20 at the upper section to be undoable on the old lines and the new ones are okay if you nail them. Not so much if you don't. Wrecking Ball is easier in places that used to be hard, harder in places that used to be easy and the entrance is the easiest it has ever been if you don't look at it too closely and just drive it.

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Old 12-18-2013, 11:29 PM   #33
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I checked my GPS and it does have Elvis saved to it along with a ton of other race stuff.

I tried seeing if it would display GPS coordinates using the mouse while playing with the settings. For some reason it seems to only want to give me Elvis' elevation data of 3,260' with no lat/long.
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Looks like we will visiting Elvis on Monday and some buggy trail a little south of SOS if we have enough time left this coming Monday. Highway 20 was fun last weekend, my bud got real close to flopping in one spot, I came about as close to flopping as I have ever been near the end of the trail where there is a ledge with a left turn got a lil to balsy climbed the ledge, didn't get up all the way, got spun around some, when trying to back out of it the right rear tire climbed the wall, got pretty darn tippy. Managed to move it over a bit to get the Jeep settled, then climbed the same ledge a lil further to the left to get the back to scoot over. Backed out of it and drove through it along the wall.
After that fun we went in search of Elvis, but all we found was a stretch of desert with a boat load of old concrete practice bombs, funny stuff growing in the desert
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I've never been able to predict what running races on the trails will do to them. The plaque at Jack is stupid hard now, Upper Big Johnson, Lower Big Johnson, Claw are all just about mowed flat.

The last fall on Outer Limits is ridiculous now, and I found Highway 20 at the upper section to be undoable on the old lines and the new ones are okay if you nail them. Not so much if you don't. Wrecking Ball is easier in places that used to be hard, harder in places that used to be easy and the entrance is the easiest it has ever been if you don't look at it too closely and just drive it.
Did Jack about a month ago was funHad no problem, all my compadres on 35's and 37's had to winch all the major obstacles. The climb up the hill to
Jack North is getting rutted bad and is getting more and more ledges on it
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Did Elvis today, long drive for a short and not terribly hard trail that is when you follow the bunny line on the right, some of the stuff along the left wall is gnarly.


Hammer (4) by aartjestaartje, on Flickr

Found some entertainment on the way back


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Then we ran Chocolate thunder, so much better now, the beginning is all dug out and fun again, also the big rock at the top, the left line is doable again
The right not so, some pretty good size rocks tumbled in there.
From there we drove to Full of Love walked the entire trail, or what seemed to be the trail, rain washed pretty much all proof and tracks away.
Going to have to find a few more brave souls and dedicate a day for that trail.
It's one of those you really need to work at.
After that we headed back to the bridge talked for a bit with Gerald and the two Johns about their build, man that thing is nice.


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After that we headed due west and found a cool trail somebody had just cut, basically there was a single set of tracks, way cool trail, loose rocks, steep climbs, some tippy stuff. Was quite entertaining after that we tooled around the desert and ended up at Turkey Claw knocked that one out and headed back to the trailers, loaded up and headed home.
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Sounds like good times, Art.

Looks like you ran it in the reverse of the race. From the view of the pic - racers were coming at you and some ran through the rocks while others were going for the milder line & speed.
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Sounds like good times, Art.

Looks like you ran it in the reverse of the race. From the view of the pic - racers were coming at you and some ran through the rocks while others were going for the milder line & speed.
Going uphill is more fun, running a trail down hill is is almost cheating
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Going uphill is more fun, running a trail down hill is is almost cheating
Couldn't have said it better!
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Going uphill is more fun, running a trail down hill is is almost cheating
Almost, but there is some stuff at the bottom of Spooner's that will make you pay attention if you're adverse to being on your lid.
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Almost, but there is some stuff at the bottom of Spooner's that will make you pay attention if you're adverse to being on your lid.
Going downhill on SOS at the turn ledge thing was interesting to say the least.
You up for trying to run full of love some time after KOH?

For those that care this is a pretty good downloadable map with gps coordinates for most trails.
Is a bit more up to date then the one at HIM

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Going downhill on SOS at the turn ledge thing was interesting to say the least.
You up for trying to run full of love some time after KOH?
My rig has a very finite lifespan and I don't have the wherewithal to reproduce it if I mess it up too badly. Last time I walked FOL it looked like it would take some serious commitment and a more serious rig than I have, so I'll have to take another peek at it before I commit one way or another. Rate it against SOS and I'll know for sure though.

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For those that care this is a pretty good downloadable map with gps coordinates for most trails.
Is a bit more up to date then the one at HIM

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Thanks and I do care. I'll check it out and I hope you had a very Merry Christmas Art.
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My rig has a very finite lifespan and I don't have the wherewithal to reproduce it if I mess it up too badly. Last time I walked FOL it looked like it would take some serious commitment and a more serious rig than I have, so I'll have to take another peek at it before I commit one way or another. Rate it against SOS and I'll know for sure though.



Thanks and I do care. I'll check it out and I hope you had a very Merry Christmas Art.
Me and the wife had a most Merry Christmas and I hope you and Kat did also.

FOL is nasty in spots hence after KOH so there are some tracks on it again.
I know that one of my friend';s did the trail several years ago on 37's and a D44 in the front of all things and actually finished the trail in one piece. Had us scratching our heads on Monday. Some of it has changed some, if anything it will take a whole day and as you say some serious commitment.
By the way the trail we walked a while ago is off your rocker. Recognized the video somebody posted on Youtube, We did something a lil further South on Monday, not extremely difficult, but a lot of fun, not very well burned in yet, kinda mix of some Cougar Buttes and Hammers stuff. Not truly a steep canyon to climb in, just some nice climbs meandering in between rocks and gullies and over loose stuff was fun and just the right amount of challenge
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Met up with Freddy at the lake bed yesterday for a lil bit of fun
We decided on Wrecking ball to start the day, trail was improved by the weather
Other than we managed to not nail the waterfall and the bypass for it is about worse than the waterfall, it was just a fun run. Took awhile for Fred's heart rate to come back down, but all in good fun.
After Wrecking ball the choice was either Spooners or Outerlimits. Outerlimits it was, such a fun trail, just didn't want to demolish my hood again. Outerlimits never dissapoints such a fun trail. Ran into John Currie, John Rocha and Gerald near the end of the trail. Was nice going till the end that last obstacle just seriously screws with me. All in all a great day, Jeep is slightly worse for wear, guess it's time to try and straighten the tierod

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Outerlimits (1) by aartjestaartje, on Flickr


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This one is called between a rock and a hard place.


Outerlimits (4) by aartjestaartje, on Flickr
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Those trails look like so much fun. But right now they are way out of my league with a Nearly Stock JKU.
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How did you get to the "rock and a hard place?" What direction did you come from? That is just crazy, cool, but crazy
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Those trails look like so much fun. But right now they are way out of my league with a Nearly Stock JKU.
Some of those are a tad rough on the sheetmetal

Would really suck if the nice Jeep started looking like this







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