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Old 11-25-2013, 01:15 AM   #1
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Johnson Valley - pics

Here is some shots of my first trip to Johnson Valley - Nov 23, 2013
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Awesome shots Dan. Love the half doors. Can't wait to get them for next summer. Also funny that we were talking about your winch just the other day. I can't wait to go out and explore JV.

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Nice Dan! I recognize at least 3/4 of those Jeeps. Not sure why.
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Glad to see you made it out there Dan....I'm sure your hooked now and will be back for more soon.
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I'm guessing it's a step up from Clawhammer?
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Nice pics Dan, looks like a step up from Claw... body damage?
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Hey Doug, my winch is still kicking. The damage report was from the whole group. I don't know if you can even count the winch as when he went to use it, it did not work.
Yes Steve, I will be back! I don't know how this trail compairs to the other trails at JV. I guess I will find out soon enough.
Yes Bill, note, my jeep is the only jeep with fenders, and no one had doors on (other then their 1/2 trial doors). Care to guess why???

As a side note: Did anyone see what the spotter was doing at the gatekeeper? I know the pics go fast. But if you look closely, the spotter is actually pushing on the driver side roll cage with his feet to help keep the jeep off the rock and to help the jeep pivot. Without this trick, this spot would have been very ugly!
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As a side note: Did anyone see what the spotter was doing at the gatekeeper?
Yep - like this?

We were running Sunbonnet Pass with Larry Nickel (CRAWL magazine) when Blaine pushed Larry's rig a bit to help him get past this spot.



I *think* this one is of Ron (Iceman) in the same spot.



David (Kiwi) & Lynn in the same spot.

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Great pictures Dan. It's awesome to see you doing some tough trails and using all those upgrades to their potential
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This to me brings up the old question of what trails do we see our selfs doing with our Jeeps and how much will we build them? How much damage our we willing to endure to get there? I'm sure for everyone the answer would vary and it could probably be its own thread
I have to say I really enjoyed Claw and could take a bit more of that or trails like that, but that's about it. I always said I would draw the line at body damage, 35" tires and it has to be able to work well on the highway. I don't plan on taking my doors or fenders off (to prevent a rock from doing it for me) Nor do I want to spend all day to go a mile There are some cool trails down there, I just need to be selective in which ones I choose....
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This to me brings up the old question of what trails do we see our selfs doing with our Jeeps and how much will we build them? How much damage our we willing to endure to get there? I'm sure for everyone the answer would vary and it could probably be its own thread
I have to say I really enjoyed Claw and could take a bit more of that or trails like that, but that's about it. I always said I would draw the line at body damage, 35" tires and it has to be able to work well on the highway. I don't plan on taking my doors or fenders off (to prevent a rock from doing it for me) Nor do I want to spend all day to go a mile There are some cool trails down there, I just need to be selective in which ones I choose....

Didn't we spend something close to 6 hours to go a little under 3 miles at Marble Canyon about a year or so ago? All day to go a mile is not that far a stretch now is it?
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This to me brings up the old question of what trails do we see our selfs doing with our Jeeps and how much will we build them? How much damage our we willing to endure to get there? I'm sure for everyone the answer would vary and it could probably be its own thread
I have to say I really enjoyed Claw and could take a bit more of that or trails like that, but that's about it. I always said I would draw the line at body damage, 35" tires and it has to be able to work well on the highway. I don't plan on taking my doors or fenders off (to prevent a rock from doing it for me) Nor do I want to spend all day to go a mile There are some cool trails down there, I just need to be selective in which ones I choose....
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Hey, what's up with no 4 door Jeeps on that trail?

Yeah, I think I'm with Bill on most of the things he mentioned. If it's that high risk, don't think I would do it. I'd like to ride shotgun on some of the JV trails though.

I've pretty much promised myself that I won't do any of the JV trails until my Jeep is paid off.
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I also have another personal trail gauge. I always ask myself, what is the penalty for error. If the penalty is a flop or a slow roll or a dented fender or broken drive shaft or something like that, I am game to try it. If the penalty is death, say making a mistake at the top of Lion's Back then I am probably out.
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I also have another personal trail gauge. I always ask myself, what is the penalty for error. If the penalty is a flop or a slow roll or a dented fender or broken drive shaft or something like that, I am game to try it. If the penalty is death, say making a mistake at the top of Lion's Back then I am probably out.
Sometimes offroading can be so unpredictable:
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I always said the same thing about damage to my Jeep. But as you do more and more trails it becomes more about what you and your rig can do.
You can only run the same trails over and over before you get bored.

Glad you got to go to JV Dan with Blaine, headed there on Wednesday.
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I always said the same thing about damage to my Jeep. But as you do more and more trails it becomes more about what you and your rig can do.
You can only run the same trails over and over before you get bored.

Glad you got to go to JV Dan with Blaine, headed there on Wednesday.
Have fun out there!
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I joined the same group as Dan (of those who were still there) on Monday afternoon.

Tuesday we decided to run Hwy 20. After Hwy 20 we decided to go ahead & do Hwy 21 since we were already at its trail head.

After Hwy 21 it was still relatively early so we went over & did After Shock. It was not too late in the day so we ran Turkey Claw as well yesterday. It was a fun day to say the least.

Today we ran Spooners Canyon. I had ran sections of Spooners before, but not the whole trail like we did today. Spooners will get your attention if the others had not.
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Hey, what's up with no 4 door Jeeps on that trail?
Hey now lol had 4drs and 2drs there are pros and come of each and I've had each to their limits...that being said I prefer a 2dr lol.....bit I've done some stuff lately that 2drs would Choke....
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Sunbonnet is a step up from Clawhammer, fun trail, at the end of it you can continue on hwy 20 and 21.

Spooners changed a lot last year had run it twice before and after last years KOH it has become a quite different trail compared to the 2 previous runs. Entire sections changed. Nice video by the way, looks like everybody had a ball

Silly question but why not pass that rock on the left saves all that pushing.
Used to be doable on 35's when hit right

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Sunbonnet is a step up from Clawhammer, fun trail, at the end of it you can continue on hwy 20 and 21.
Is it 20 and 21 or 19 and 20?

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Spooners changed a lot last year had run it twice before and after last years KOH it has become a quite different trail compared to the 2 previous runs. Entire sections changed. Nice video by the way, looks like everybody had a ball

Silly question but why not pass that rock on the left saves all that pushing.
Used to be doable on 35's when hit right
You know how it is in JV Art. One day is cake, the next is a big pile of turds. That line to the left of the rock was doable on 35's, then it was only doable as a buggy line depending on how many rocks got kicked out and then it got raced on a couple of times and it's like the lower section of Spooners just past the big notch. The pair of rocks you used to be able to get up the trail on are not able to be used without more effort than it should take when the line just to the right is good and more than hard enough.

I drove the last fall up the middle on OL. Had I looked at it before I did, I probably wouldn't have tried it. There are holes in it that are literally 4' DEEP. The rain had it's way out there and Sunbonnet was harder than I've ever seen it. It was a poor choice on my part for the newbies we had. We made it fairly unscathed, but we were a bit slower than normal. But, such is the way in JV. What used to work may not and what didn't work now does.

For my personal side of things, I found two new lines for myself out there. Last fall on Aftershock I took the hard left line through the notch by putting the left front on the wall and walking it up and then around to pull me through. The other is the entrance to the second Highway. Put both left side tires on the rock on the left and drive around to keep them off the body work. Good times and we certainly enjoyed the company of all those that showed up.

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The end of outerlimits munched my hood this spring. Fred climbed the right side which we used the last time out there, took him quite a bit of work to climb out.
So we figured I would try the middle straight shot, He got me stuck every which way possible, crunched the hood left a bunch of rubber darn near flopped when he had me back up, cool stuff. Ended up dragging it around with the winch.
Hood got stuck under the pointed rock on the left, just kept winching, iy had a dent in it already, figured it would clear the cage so to me it had taken enough time and sheetmetal can be hammered somewhat back in shape. Pretty much all the trails are getting remodeled, Jack has changed and the climb up to the top to run Jack North is starting to get some pretty decent ledges.
Sorry I didn't make it out there. Had fun there both weekends before, wifey demanded that some honey do's got addressed . Ya know the happy wife, happy life bit
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This to me brings up the old question of what trails do we see our selfs doing with our Jeeps and how much will we build them? How much damage our we willing to endure to get there? I'm sure for everyone the answer would vary and it could probably be its own thread
I have to say I really enjoyed Claw and could take a bit more of that or trails like that, but that's about it. I always said I would draw the line at body damage, 35" tires and it has to be able to work well on the highway. I don't plan on taking my doors or fenders off (to prevent a rock from doing it for me) Nor do I want to spend all day to go a mile There are some cool trails down there, I just need to be selective in which ones I choose....
Wouldn't it just be easier to say you aren't comfortable going to JV? I certainly won't think any less of you for feeling that way. The reasons I mention that is your post is fairly disingenuous. You've done more body damage to your rig in Big Bear than any in my group that cares about Body Damage has in JV. If you can't handle the possibility of Body Damage, why do you have armor?

As far as spending all day to go a mile, that's highly subjective and it's not the length of the journey, but the journey itself that matters to me.

But, if you were to care about length of journeys and time spent, take today for example. We got up at the normal time, I went over to Wayne's camp and helped him straighten a shock shaft and then back to our camp. There I fueled up, got the rig ready and 5 of us headed out and ran the Highways 20 somethings. Finished those up, back to camp, sat around and shot the bull a bit and then decided to head home. We leisurely packed up, got everyone squared away and were home at 4pm and none of it was in a hurry.

Inversely, two members of our group stayed behind to help a rig on Turkey Claw. I suspect they may still be there helping weld a front axle tube back together and TC is all of 500 yards long. I've spent less time running Spooners, picking up a tire at camp and running it back out to the beginning of the trail to get Dan C going.

Point being, it's wheeling, it's not structured, we never know what the day will bring and that's the beauty of it for some and not for others. Both are very okay.
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The end of outerlimits munched my hood this spring.
I've got the same dent(s). I pounded them back out and from 50' away if you squint just right you can almost not tell.

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Fred climbed the right side which we used the last time out there, took him quite a bit of work to climb out.
We took everyone up the right side. They all winched, some a little, some a lot.

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So we figured I would try the middle straight shot, He got me stuck every which way possible, crunched the hood left a bunch of rubber darn near flopped when he had me back up, cool stuff. Ended up dragging it around with the winch.

Hood got stuck under the pointed rock on the left, just kept winching, iy had a dent in it already, figured it would clear the cage so to me it had taken enough time and sheetmetal can be hammered somewhat back in shape.
You can only straight shot it by starting hard left so both rear tires climb evenly. If the right side climbs higher first, you're toast.


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Pretty much all the trails are getting remodeled, Jack has changed and the climb up to the top to run Jack North is starting to get some pretty decent ledges.
Sorry I didn't make it out there. Had fun there both weekends before, wifey demanded that some honey do's got addressed . Ya know the happy wife, happy life bit
I have a story for you about the plaque climb on Jack. It is not for public consumption so remind me the next time I see you where we can chat to tell you about it. It is worth a giggle or three.
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It climbed the ledge then the hood nailed the rock on the left, should have kept going and would have drove right on through. He backed me up and things kinda unraveled from there, was a pretty cool run we spend more time messing with that part, then the rest of the entire trail, go figure.
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Oh, I forgot to mention....Colin & I had a blast! It was sure nice seeing David, Lynn, and Ron. It had been too long between Turkey Day JV runs for me.

Colin took some pics & I think some video too. I'll check to see if he has a way to post 'em.
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Sometimes offroading can be so unpredictable:
Every time I see that video, it grips my heart. After making sure everyone was OK, I think I'd probably need to walk away for a minute and just bawl. His rig looked bad but thank god for the trailer. It'd be a different situation for me, as I am forced to drive to trails. If my rig ever ended up looking like that, I'd lose my mind. Hopefully, and if the guy is anything like most of us, he's back on the trails.
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Wouldn't it just be easier to say you aren't comfortable going to JV? I certainly won't think any less of you for feeling that way. The reasons I mention that is your post is fairly disingenuous. You've done more body damage to your rig in Big Bear than any in my group that cares about Body Damage has in JV. If you can't handle the possibility of Body Damage, why do you have armor?

As far as spending all day to go a mile, that's highly subjective and it's not the length of the journey, but the journey itself that matters to me.

But, if you were to care about length of journeys and time spent, take today for example. We got up at the normal time, I went over to Wayne's camp and helped him straighten a shock shaft and then back to our camp. There I fueled up, got the rig ready and 5 of us headed out and ran the Highways 20 somethings. Finished those up, back to camp, sat around and shot the bull a bit and then decided to head home. We leisurely packed up, got everyone squared away and were home at 4pm and none of it was in a hurry.

Inversely, two members of our group stayed behind to help a rig on Turkey Claw. I suspect they may still be there helping weld a front axle tube back together and TC is all of 500 yards long. I've spent less time running Spooners, picking up a tire at camp and running it back out to the beginning of the trail to get Dan C going.

Point being, it's wheeling, it's not structured, we never know what the day will bring and that's the beauty of it for some and not for others. Both are very okay.
Very well said, it's all part of the wheelin adventure
You weren't kidding about the entrance of Sunbonnet, the left line is cool though. Seems like the Highways have gotten a little more challenging, we both came very close to flopping at one point. After all that we went in search of the illustrious Elvis, second time we have done that, still haven't found it. We did come across a flat stretch of desert that had a boat load of old concrete practice bombs laying around. The stuff you come across in the desert.
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After all that we went in search of the illustrious Elvis, second time we have done that, still haven't found it.
I *may* have saved it's location on my GPS from when we were filming KOH for Pinned Productions. I'll check for you.

Here's a couple pics I took of it.



The guy on the left was actually passing while going through the rocks.




Saw a guy flop while at the exit. I'm pretty sure he was trying to pass in the rocks.



It created a little bit of a trail block for a couple minutes. Folks drove over if you know what I mean.

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There is just very little info on that trail, would love to try and run it before it becomes inaccessible

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