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Old 06-29-2012, 10:14 AM   #61
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While I'm not interested in doing extreme wheeling (yet).
thats what i said when i got my jeep less than 2 years ago.....and i just got back from the rubicon lol

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Old 06-29-2012, 11:49 AM   #62
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I have no idea how to disconnect, let alone remove my sway bar links. Is this easy to do? Do I need any special tools for the job.
It's pretty simple. Two swaybar links (only the front ones need to be removed), two bolts/nuts per link. The bottom bolt/nut needs an 18mm wrench on both sides. The top bolt/nut needs an 18mm wrench on one side and a 19mm wrench on the other side. So you'll need two 18mm combo wrenches and one 19mm combo wrench. If one of the 18mm combo wrenches has a ratcheting box end it will make for quicker work.

Just don't forget to put the swaybar links back on before you get back on the highway. They provide safety/stability/control while maneuvering on-road, particularly at higher speeds.

The term "disconnect" refers disconnecting the axle from the anti-swaybar, which is what you are doing when you remove your swaybar links. This allows the axle to articulate over uneven terrain. The Rubicon's electronic disconnect technically doesn't actually disconnect the axle from the anti-swaybar. It just allows the anti-swaybar to pivot.

And the reason why we don't disconnect the rear swaybar links is because the rear anti-swaybar is much more flexible than the front one, and already allows for plenty of axle articulation.

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Beantown,

The link to the first video just takes me to the vimeo homepage. Do I need to create an account to view the video?
Yah that link doesn't work for me either.

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The second link was awesome. Very cool camera angle during the video.
Thanks. I had to wheel with one hand while holding the stick that my GoPro was mounted on, keeping an eye on the camera and on the trail while leading the group.

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ya he is not lifted and the last jku stock we went thru popped 2 tires because the links rubbed on the tires at full flex and full turn, so we had to remove them so he didn't pop a third tire. kaiserstod also had this problem.

i don't want to be changing tires on the trail all day so i think he should take them off to be safe

otherwise you would just have to remove the bottom bolts and zip tie them up into place.

you can also get quick disconnects so you don't have to take the bolts off all the time
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:09 PM   #64
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Yes, completely removing the swaybar links is best. Not worth the gamble to only remove the bottom bolt. Did you think that's what I was suggesting?
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your jeep will make it thru, and we won't leave you on the trail

the trail is not so difficult, and you will be amazzed at what your jeep can do. we will go over with you how to pick lines and drive in 4 lo. do you have an auto or stick? (cause only real jeeps are stick) to disconnect your sway bar links, or removed them, do a search on here. i have a rubicon so i cheat with a push of a button. its not hard, 4 nuts and bolts.

try this link for the video

https://vimeo.com/26306080

why you want to disconnect:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/why...es-164303.html

That link to the video worked much better, thanks. Also, I guess I did it right because I got stick.
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Yes, completely removing the swaybar links is best. Not worth the gamble to only remove the bottom bolt. Did you think that's what I was suggesting?
sorry yeah i misread at first and didn't realize you where suggesting them to be removed..

does the arm the upper link connect to have to be zip tied up, i don't do it so i don't know. is there a need for anything to be zip tied when they are removed.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:15 PM   #67
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does the arm the upper link connect to have to be zip tied up, i don't do it so i don't know. is there a need for anything to be zip tied when they are removed.
After the swaybar links are removed, just push the anti-swaybar arm all the way up. It should stay there. Monitor it to make sure. Zip tie or bungie it if it's dropping back down.
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sorry yeah i misread at first and didn't realize you where suggesting them to be removed..

does the arm the upper link connect to have to be zip tied up, i don't do it so i don't know. is there a need for anything to be zip tied when they are removed.
I had mine ziptied up, and I think that was the actual problem. I have done a lot of reading about this since you told me what had happened (I thought it was a defective tire until then.) Apparently, the sway bar needs to be parallel with the frame, when it is zip tied, it is nearly perpendicular. As for me, well I just say screw it until I get a lift. I dont think my articulation really was improved much at all by disco'ing the sway bar, and it was a pain the ass. (not to mention the $210 for a replacement SPARE...)

So when Hurley and I join you guys tomorrow (yes, move that over from maybe to HELL YEAH) I will just leave my sway bar connected. <edit> Scratch that, maybe this is a time I should give it another try. I just watched those videos and explanations you put up Beantown, and maybe it's worth giving it another shot. We'll have to test my articulation to see if it makes that much difference on stock, non-lifted suspension. </edit>
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It's pretty simple. Two swaybar links (only the front ones need to be removed), two bolts/nuts per link. The bottom bolt/nut needs an 18mm wrench on both sides. The top bolt/nut needs an 18mm wrench on one side and a 19mm wrench on the other side. So you'll need two 18mm combo wrenches and one 19mm combo wrench. If one of the 18mm combo wrenches has a ratcheting box end it will make for quicker work.
Ok, so I found this pic on the forum somewhere and just want to confirm a few things.



So I pull off the links, and put them in the cab for safe keeping, the sway bar itselt do I have to zip tie that to something or just let it be. Im at work and can't get under my Jeep right now to see if this is a stupid question or not, but I'm curious.

I might give this a go tonight just to see how it works before getting out there tomorrow.
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As yomondo mentioned, you see how the sway bar is angled down some, and kept in place by the red links. When you remove those, you can push that sway bar upward and it will probably stay up there on its own. But, if you have zip ties, it won't hurt to zip it up there out of the way.
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Ok, so I found this pic on the forum somewhere and just want to confirm a few things.



So I pull off the links, and put them in the cab for safe keeping, the sway bar itselt do I have to zip tie that to something or just let it be. Im at work and can't get under my Jeep right now to see if this is a stupid question or not, but I'm curious.

I might give this a go tonight just to see how it works before getting out there tomorrow.
that is correct, pull them off, and you pick up some heavy duty zip ties, i don't haven any, to hold the sway bar up. i don't know how well it stays. at dutchamn camp you can re-connect them.

do you have an air compressor? if not you can use mine to air up at dutchman, otherwise air up at the 5.
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I had mine ziptied up, and I think that was the actual problem. I have done a lot of reading about this since you told me what had happened (I thought it was a defective tire until then.) Apparently, the sway bar needs to be parallel with the frame, when it is zip tied, it is nearly perpendicular. As for me, well I just say screw it until I get a lift. I dont think my articulation really was improved much at all by disco'ing the sway bar, and it was a pain the ass. (not to mention the $210 for a replacement SPARE...)

So when Hurley and I join you guys tomorrow (yes, move that over from maybe to HELL YEAH) I will just leave my sway bar connected. <edit> Scratch that, maybe this is a time I should give it another try. I just watched those videos and explanations you put up Beantown, and maybe it's worth giving it another shot. We'll have to test my articulation to see if it makes that much difference on stock, non-lifted suspension. </edit>
you will get more articulation disco'd
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For those of us meeting you at the Flying J, should we go ahead and air down there, or is there a trailhead where we are going to stop and air down?
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hey guys just got word miller is closed from some other forum members up there. i will look into it.

sounds like big bear tomorow
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okay, since i got the report miller is closed. i tried to call the FS and they are not open now, i called hungry valley and they are open, said all camps are open. when i asked about dutchman camp she said all camps are open, but didn't know about the miller jeep trail.

the FS website indicates miller is open, but for lockwood creek road says to call for updates (this is the actual start to miller and i'm guessing is closed)

Los Padres National Forest - Alerts & Notices

I can call the FS in the morning at 8am and see if its going to open, or if it is open from the dutchman camp side. if not, we could go up to hungry valley and play around on the obstacles. we could head up to dutchman to camp after.

i also have a map with a few short trails off the lockwood valley road we could explore, they are dead ends, difficult to medium trails, a few miles long. these are all near the start of miller: description says they are in wooded areas

they are pleito creek round, black diamond, dead end 3.5 miles
salt creek route, blue square 3.5 miles dead end
cherry creek rounte, blue square 1.5 miles dead end
tecuya timber sale route blue square 2.5 miles
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I dont have a map of the area but if Dutchman cg is open and miller is open can we run miller backwards from there. And if Lockwood is closed is there another way out from miller.
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no, the only way in/out is fron lockwood side where i think they are at when they said it was closed. the other way in out is from miller jeep trail sideat dutchman, and it says open. there is a lockable gate at each end

i can call at 8, or just go up in the morning.

as for big bear, there are camp sites available at crab flats. yellow post camp sites have fire restrictions now, i wanted to check them out also, but no fire. hanna flat is booked, and i sure the first come first serve will be taken.

want to share a site at crab flats and hit holbomb valley trail tomorrow instead? thats right near crab flats. holcomb might be too much for zombie and kaiser tho. maybe gold mountain?
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Im willing to go to Big Bear and if the others still wanna go we can do gold Mtn. If they still wanna try the Hungry Valley area Im ok with that and camping at Dutchman.
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Gold Mountain would be a good trail for them as long as they dont mind the drive to Big Bear.
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its too late to reserve camp sites up there anyways now, i was just looking again and it seems monday is the earliest...
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I guess we go with the original plan and if Lockwood is not open we can try some of those other trails and play around at Hungry Valley then head up to Dutchman to camp.
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Just checking in to say I will meet you all at Flying J with another Jeep or two. Why would Lockwood be closed? Either way this late in the game I will head up there anyway and go play around HV, BC109 or the creek routes listed above. BB is just to far away for me and I was just there for fathers day.
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yeah lets do that, there are other options for camping and trails we can explore. i was planning on leaving at 9am to get there at 10:30. i will post up at 8am when i call the FS service. PM me your numbers whoever still wants to go.

whats BC109? the message i got says its open

Check in at 8am for an update. we will meet at hungry valley or flying Js if lockwood side is open
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Just noticed, date on the forest service alerts is June 25th. Probably due to the fire.
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We will be on Channel 16 on the way up. White TJ, Black TJ and possibly a Black Rubicon Unlimited.
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Im looking at the Los Padres trail map and it looks like we can run Miller from Dutchman CG to Yellow Jacket, the only way out is back through Dutchman though. Looks like theres a couple short trails in there too.
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Im looking at the Los Padres trail map and it looks like we can run Miller from Dutchman CG to Yellow Jacket, the only way out is back through Dutchman though. Looks like theres a couple short trails in there too.
yeah but that doesn't make sense, why would side be open and not the other. there are gates at dutchman, and on the road up to dutchman also.

i guess we will see tomorow. btw, i did call monday and they said it was open. what if they closed the gate at lockwood and forgot to open in lol?
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Im looking at the Los Padres trail map and it looks like we can run Miller from Dutchman CG to Yellow Jacket, the only way out is back through Dutchman though. Looks like theres a couple short trails in there too.
Yes you can do that. Not sure if the fires are still not contained? If they are not, I would not want to get caught back there as options out are limited.
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hungry valley is 100%. it sounded like the fire was contained on tuesday....i may be wrong
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Yeah that is what I thought too, but as dry as it is and as stupid as some people are, flare ups or arson are possible at any time.

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