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Old 03-18-2007, 07:11 PM   #31
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I just got off the phone with my uncle and it appears that I have the family cabin that weekend. That means I definitely won't come home via Cleghorn as I will be staying up the hill. What it also means is that if anyone would like to come by for a barbecue & beer after wheeling you are more than welcome. The place is in Big Bear City over by where the 38 (greenspot) and the 18 (BB Blvd) meet. I'll be there with my kids and perhaps a friend or two. I am thinking carne asada. Any takers?

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Old 03-19-2007, 10:10 AM   #32
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I think it depends on how long the run is but it sounds great. I'm not familiar with the area so I'm not sure where all these highways and trails y'all are taking about are. I'm just trusting you guys that I can make it up these trails

I've never been up to BigBear, so I'm excited just to see the mountains. I moved here from Colorado and I miss the mountains terrible.

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Hey there Chuck - finally joined this site now too!

I should be going to be up in BB that weekend - but I am doing a charity walk for MS the morning of the 21st (starts at the elementary school and goes along the shore towards the discovery center then back).

So depending on how early the walk is over - I might try to meet up somewhere. If not - I would be down for meeting up after you guys are done to meet a few local jeepers.

Only big catch for me is will the cabin be good for the family by then after we had that pipe burst a few weeks back.

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Old 03-19-2007, 10:39 AM   #34
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tiny, Big Bear is where Eric (see below) and I spend most of our time wheeling. Eric was on Jacoby and Gold Mountain (stock LJ) a few months back. Now he's on 31's with a BL/MML. I was in my (then) stock Rubi. Another friend of ours was in a stock '97 SE (29's). We have had that same SE (and my WJ) up through Holcomb Creek / Larga flats so there are no worries that you can make it but it can be a fun trail. There are multiple lines on most trails and there are truly only 3 trails that pose any real difficulty: John Bull, Dishpan Springs and Pontiac Sluice. Even they can be run by stock vehicles with spotting, strapping and stacking. I'm not much into that so that's why I didn't suggest them.

Cleghorn is not in Big Bear, it runs from the 15 up to Silverwood and is a route many take to get up to the trails. It's a fire road with some fun bypasses.

It appears that Rawkon knows these trails pretty well as well so perhaps he can chime in.

Welcome Eric. You might want to post a thread in the new member check in. WF is a nice place and much more friendly than most the other flame boards. If your place is not ready, you and the girls are welcome to stay with me and the kids. I am going to try to get some brewing done before then so I can bring a keg up with me (orange blossom ale).

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Sweet - thanks for the offer. I'll talk to the woman about it and I'll let you know.

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How about we meet in Fawnskin at 8:30?

RRTJ, is the cafe in Fawnskin still open? Otherwise, I guess we could meet at the Fire station.

I also noticed that you are a brewer..... Me too! Although, I'm down to brewing about four batches a year these days. Mostly special occasions, birthdays, weddings, etc... Do you venture out to Temecula for the Beer festival?

I don't think we'll have any problem getting tiny through Holcomb Creek trail, especially if we do it west to east. (She has no problem with body damage, as long as her Jeep is still drivable.) I like doing the loop where you start at the east end of Holcomb Creek trail and the head up Lower Larga flats. Then go around to the west end of Holcomb and run the rock gardens to the east. I thought we could start with a run up to Butler peak. It's an easy drive, but being able to go up to the look-out is pretty cool. I'm not sure who all is going, but we shouldn't have much in the way of problems for the NewBees.

In the Rock Garden of Good and Evil (2:00am - Holcomb Creek Trail)

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I don't know, I think you guys are taking me out there for some sort of offroad initiation, see if you can get me to tip over or something.
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I don't know, I think you guys are taking me out there for some sort of offroad initiation, see if you can get me to tip over or something.
It takes quite a bit to tip over a Jeep. Besides that, we'd have to roll you back over and that's just too much work! And as far as I know, you've already been initiated. Consider this "Continuing Education" toward a higher degree. I promise that if you make it through, you'll feel very good about what your Jeep can do with you driving it.
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It takes quite a bit to tip over a Jeep.
I hope so since all the heavy bits are on the bottom.
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:27 PM   #40
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Fawnskin 8:30 sounds good. I don't know about the restaraunt, since we stay up there, we usually eat at Thelma's in BBC. So fire station it is. In all the times I've been up there I've never been to Butler. We can see how everyone feels and how they are setup and make a decision on the day of the run. We can also watch some of the other boards and clubs so we hopefully don't get stuck behind a group of 20.

I've been brewing for a few years, but I've never been to the Temecula Festival. Maybe this year I'll come visit and check it out. My motivation for brewing is a little skewed, I used to buy beer by the keg but I have become a huge hophead. It's hard for me to find beers as bitter as I like them. I've currently got a double imperial ipa on tap that used 20 oz of high AA hops for a 6 gallon batch (120 min boil). It's actually smoother than many of my lighter ipa's as the og was so high. I only do extract brewing, I get my stuff at B3 in Riverside. Eric brews as well.

Here is one rule of off-roading we always follow tiny: if you come up to an obstical, see others make it through and still don't want to do it - DON'T. Go around if possible, otherwise most if not all will turn around and head back with you - there is no shame in not being comfortable with an obstical. If damage happens, you are more likely to get it on the undercarriage or lower sides of the tub. I am much more likely to roll than you.

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More Pics from the night run through Holcomb Creek Trail

This is my friend Danny's Jeep.... Notice that the front wheels are both in the air:



The landing:



And the dismount:



Good Times!

Don't worry tiny, you'll be taking a different line through this section.
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:31 PM   #42
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Who's bringing a phonebook for me to sit on?

I'm not too worried. And I won't be comfortable with any of it, that's part of the rush (same rush I used to get fighting). Brian can tell you I looked at him like he had lobsters crawling out his ears when we came to the rocks on the last run.
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Who's bringing a phonebook for me to sit on?
That would be me.....

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Brian can tell you I looked at him like he had lobsters crawling out his ears when we came to the rocks on the last run.
Now there's a mental image I won't soon forget.

You'll be fine tiny, you'll be fine.
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:40 PM   #44
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With the SWB of the TJ, waterfalls (dry) still scare the crap out of me. Things I would do in the WJ I hesitate to do in the TJ. I usually avoid them but I am getting better with the very steep inclines. This will also be a break in (not broken) run for me as it will be the first time the TJ will be on anything remotely challenging since the lift and tires went on. Eric and I are going to go play in the Cleveland NF (Corona hills) this weekend to see if there are any bugs to work out.
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...I've been brewing for a few years, but I've never been to the Temecula Festival. Maybe this year I'll come visit and check it out.
It's a lot of fun, I went to the first six, it was smaller then and I was active in the local Home Brew club. You now have to be a member of "Cal Homebrewers" to go to the festival, but membership only lasts for a weekend and you get a free ticket to the festival. (Those sneaky devils!)

Here's their site: Homebrew Fest


[QUOTE=RedRubiTJ] My motivation for brewing is a little skewed, I used to buy beer by the keg but I have become a huge hophead. It's hard for me to find beers as bitter as I like them. I've currently got a double imperial ipa on tap that used 20 oz of high AA hops for a 6 gallon batch (120 min boil). It's actually smoother than many of my lighter ipa's as the og was so high. [QUOTE]

A fellow hop-head..... I understand and can relate. I have a shirt that says "Life begins at 80 IBU"

[QUOTE=RedRubiTJ] I only do extract brewing, I get my stuff at B3 in Riverside. Eric brews as well. [QUOTE]

I get most of my stuff there as well. I work in Riverside. You should really try all-grain, it's an easy jump and you'll love the difference.

I'm looking forward to meeting you guys... See you on the trail.
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It's funny how there was a bunch of interest in another trail run and the three of us are the only ones posting. Where did everybody go? They must have lives in the real world .
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They'll be back. Though, I think Larry's away and I'm not sure if Mike can make a Saturday run.
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Larry is gone for something like 10 weeks for work, so he'll miss this run. Hopefully Mike can get the day off again. We still have a few weeks, hopefully more will join the fray...
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It's a lot of fun, I went to the first six, it was smaller then and I was active in the local Home Brew club.
I've never really been a member of any local clubs, Jeepen or Brewing. My mother always said I don't play well with others .
Once things get really organized, I run for the hills.

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You should really try all-grain, it's an easy jump and you'll love the difference.
I have been considering it for a long while but so far have just been way too lazy. I can barely work up the motivation for extract. I have four batches in the fridge that need to get brewed soon. Maybe once things slow down (read as Jeep is done).
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(beer's gross)
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(beer's gross)
No, Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -- Benjamin Franklin
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I hadda bad experience.
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Good night gang.... I'm going to go to bed and dream of Hoppy Ales and Mountain trails.

(look, I'm a poet. wonderious what a few good beers can do, isn't it?)
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I hadda bad experience.
I'm told that experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted. So what did you want tiny?
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I can tell you what I didn't want.... a two day bender and a three day hangover. Can't stand the smell of beer or peppermint to this day. Or burgerking chicken sandwiches. It was a bad, bad experience.

(I wanted a bottle of Vodka and settled for a 12 pack of OML and some other junk)
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.... Can't stand the smell of beer or peppermint to this day. Or burgerking chicken sandwiches. It was a bad, bad experience.
I have a few things that fall into that category as well. (No need to elaborate at this time.)


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(I wanted a bottle of Vodka and settled for a 12 pack of OML and some other junk)
Well that would be the problem now, wouldn't it. Never settle! If you're going to drink, drink quality! I keep telling my oldest son, "There's a reason that stuff only costs $6."
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My best experiences of that nature all involve Magdon Davis (MadDog 20/20). Those were some bad days (but fun while doing it ).
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Hey, it wasn't PBR. Now the only beer I buy is for my clay. Guinness Stout.
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(but fun while doing it ).
yup. took me three colleges to graduate. (and I got tossed out of a town)
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yup. took me three colleges to graduate. (and I got tossed out of a town)
I was talking about HIGH SCHOOL. I learned to mellow somewhat by college - as much as it can be said that I've mellowed.

Actually I think I just learned to drink alot more with less obvious results - behavior wise. The truly obvious result is my current weight .

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