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Old 12-27-2013, 03:31 PM   #31
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:46 PM   #32
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For the same money I would buy a Garmin. I have been using a GPSMAP60 for years on my adventure bike. I now have it installed in my JKU on the windshield pillar. As a mater of fact I just replace the stereo in my RV with a new Kenwood with a Garmin navigation. Anything cheaper is crap! With the 60 you can plan routes on your PC and then download them on your GPS you can also track your route and save it back onto your PC. Only drawback on my 60 is the screen is black and white. I'm thinking on upgrading to a GPSMAP62, it has a color screen and its easer to see your route over the topo map. As we all know the main drawback with the Garmin stuff is the maps, they always ding you for the firken maps.

Also, who wants a tablet floating around in the cab when your trying to navigate over the rocks?

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I looked at the Garmin and the screen is too small, you have to purchase maps, where GAIA maps are downloadable for free. The screen on the ipad is awesome and big. As far as tablet floating around, you don't have to have it on the whole time. With the gps device it will still track your trail. I have a hard case and plan on getting a strong base mount or window mount for when i do need it in sight. Most of the time i have someone with as a co-pilot so no worries of it bouncing arround
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I tried out Motion X GPS with my iPhone for the first time yesterday. It was recommended by a bunch of backpacking and backcountry type magazines.

I'm pretty happy with it at this point. My iphone screen is bigger and brighter than my Garmin and I can download maps so I can use it out of cell service or use up data. The $2 app price only gets you open cycle maps for download, but there is an in app purchase for $5 that allows you to download custom maps from tons of map servers including USGS topo maps. I recorded maps tracks from my run then emailed it to myself at the end of the day, with both KML and GPX attachments. There is an HD version for the iPad for a separate cost but the IPhone version works on the iPad too so if I wanted to use that I don't have to spend the extra money. It's a good app if you want to use your iphone or iPad instead of a traditional GPS.
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Yeah i'm using motion gpsx hd and like it. I use it to track my route so i can return later and use the same route or at least get a idea of posilbe side routes. I just didn't like the slow download times. And the zoom wasn't that great either. If they continue to develop it, would make for my only gps app. GAIA pro is awesome. I use both and am happy so far. But its pricey for 19$.
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I tried out Motion X GPS with my iPhone for the first time yesterday. It was recommended by a bunch of backpacking and backcountry type magazines.

I'm pretty happy with it at this point. My iphone screen is bigger and brighter than my Garmin and I can download maps so I can use it out of cell service or use up data. The $2 app price only gets you open cycle maps for download, but there is an in app purchase for $5 that allows you to download custom maps from tons of map servers including USGS topo maps. I recorded maps tracks from my run then emailed it to myself at the end of the day, with both KML and GPX attachments. There is an HD version for the iPad for a separate cost but the IPhone version works on the iPad too so if I wanted to use that I don't have to spend the extra money. It's a good app if you want to use your iphone or iPad instead of a traditional GPS.
This one is good on the wife's iPad mini. She emails the files and they open in Google Earth on the PC. Easy to see your trip and can be saved in a file on GE for viewing later as well
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I tried out Motion X GPS with my iPhone for the first time yesterday. It was recommended by a bunch of backpacking and backcountry type magazines.

I'm pretty happy with it at this point. My iphone screen is bigger and brighter than my Garmin and I can download maps so I can use it out of cell service or use up data. The $2 app price only gets you open cycle maps for download, but there is an in app purchase for $5 that allows you to download custom maps from tons of map servers including USGS topo maps. I recorded maps tracks from my run then emailed it to myself at the end of the day, with both KML and GPX attachments. There is an HD version for the iPad for a separate cost but the IPhone version works on the iPad too so if I wanted to use that I don't have to spend the extra money. It's a good app if you want to use your iphone or iPad instead of a traditional GPS.
Worth noting- on Bad Elf's site- they have one for a "lightning" connector now- not the 30 pin. In other words- for Iphone 4 & 5. $129. However it doesn't look like the sat. reception is any different than the current Iphone.
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All iPhones and some iPads come equipped with access to the internet via the cellular phone data network. These units also include “A-GPS. The “A stands for “assisted, as in assisted by the cell towers. So if your iPhone/iPad (with cellular) has a connection to the cell towers, the assisted GPS inside your iPhone/iPad will work well enough for most activities. But away from the cell towers, up in the sky, out in the woods, or at sea, the GPS can take 20 minutes or more to locate you. Because Bad Elf GPS products rely only on the satellites orbiting the earth and never on cell towers, they can locate you quickly and accurately anywhere on the planet.
I'll probably try Motion or GAIA with my IPhone first since they're cheaper- but the last time I was out at Big Bear I kept losing signal and couldn't see my location on the Topo Map using my Iphone. Not sure if Bad Elf would be any better.
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Worth noting- on Bad Elf's site- they have one for a "lightning" connector now- not the 30 pin. In other words- for Iphone 4 & 5. $129. However it doesn't look like the sat. reception is any different than the current Iphone.
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All iPhones and some iPads come equipped with access to the internet via the cellular phone data network. These units also include “A-GPS. The “A stands for “assisted, as in assisted by the cell towers. So if your iPhone/iPad (with cellular) has a connection to the cell towers, the assisted GPS inside your iPhone/iPad will work well enough for most activities. But away from the cell towers, up in the sky, out in the woods, or at sea, the GPS can take 20 minutes or more to locate you. Because Bad Elf GPS products rely only on the satellites orbiting the earth and never on cell towers, they can locate you quickly and accurately anywhere on the planet.

I'll probably try Motion or GAIA with my IPhone first since they're cheaper- but the last time I was out at Big Bear I kept losing signal and couldn't see my location on the Topo Map using my Iphone. Not sure if Bad Elf would be any better.

That's a dated statement and a misrepresentation of A-GPS on Elf's part. They are just trying to sell their product. iPhones, since the 3G, have Assisted GPS (A-GPS). A-GPS is a stand alone GPS that triangulates it's position off of satellites the same as any other GPS receiver. It uses the cellular network to triangualte it's general position to jumpstart the process of finding satellites. Thereby speeding up the process if you move to a new area, however, without the cellular network A-GPS operates the same as any other GPS. And just like any GPS an external antenna helps, but is not necessary.

The first gen of iPhone used cell towers to triangulate it's position. Without the network you would have no position at all. The wifi only iPads receive it's location based off of the wifi access points that it can see, I don't know if they have included GPS on those yet, so without wifi you have no location. These would benefit from Bad Elf since they don't already have GPS built in. But it plugs into the same place you would charge, so you'd be limited by battery life.

How they get people to buy the "A-GPS doesn't work without cell towers" is that when you have no signal you cannot download map data. So unless it's pre-downloaded or cached onto your phone, it looks like it's not working. You still are receiving your location from the satellites, but it's not represented on the screen.

If you want to use your iPhone, just find an app that you can download maps with while you are on wifi. This will save you data usage and when you leave cell area you can still see where you are. I lost cell service several times out there in Stoddard Wells, but kept my location in MotionX. But then again I was in the wide open desert with good view of the sky.

If you are losing satellite signal that could be as simple as mounting it in a different location in the Jeep. After all these things are just radio receivers. I wouldn't spend $130 on a iPhone app, at that cost I'd just buy an actual GPS.
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I'm using the bad elf with iPad wifi only. Love it. I've tried the iPhone 5 and 4s and with no reception couldn't locate me. Elf always had a signal. As with any GPS app if u don't have Internet there's no way to see maps. U have to predownload or cache the maps. I use motion xd and Gaia maps Both have their strengths and weakness. But put together great combo
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GPS Mount Setup

Ok so if anybody is interested in a good way to mount your ipad/ipod/gps or anyother device so it stays still durning offroading here it is. with pics and links. No major modifcations. Just the ram mount from Ram-Mount and Balistics IPAD case. I'm sure they have it for whatever you need. I did test this out in Ocotillio Wells This weeknd and had no problem with it. I like it up where i put it because its out of the way and easy to remove. It sits between the Passenger Visor and middle little latch. ONly thing is you have to remove your mirror so its not in the way. Doesn't obstruct view at all.
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Can that mount anywhere else? Like on the A Pillar? My CB is mounted above the mirror like that already.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:37 PM   #42
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Yeah you can mount it pretty much anywhere you can screw in 2 or 3 screws. I mounted it there because its easy to reach and navigate from. when i'm alone. I mounted my cb right in the middle above the ac vents. the best thing i like about the Ram Mount Universal Electronics base is it works for alot of stuff. I use it for my gps for my boat and cb.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:08 PM   #43
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I have my earthmate pn 20 i use it for hunting/hiking and off road. it always works and is hand held. can use batteries and or plug into the lighter
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:28 PM   #44
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I use an ipad mini wifi only, loaded with gia gps, motionx and topomaps. i have it paired with a dual electronics XGPS150A. its extremely accurate and gets a signal from multiple satellites, no cables or plugs, its all bluetooth and is compatible with almost all gps apps.

Universal Bluetooth GPS Receiver for Today’s Most Popular Handheld Devices | Dual Electronics

amazon has it for like $85 right now
http://www.amazon.com/Dual-Electroni.../dp/B006M49G80
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Ok, so there are several ways to get around, you have to have this device and that device and download this and that

I had a Lowrance in my Prerunner that you would just power up and take off through the Desert.

So now I've sloooowwwwd way down to a Jeep and love it, Im hooked.

The question is, is there some new simple dohicky that I can just mount on my dash and call it good. Just plug in and go, save my routes and hopefully not get too lost ?

Thanks for you patience in advance
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Ok, so there are several ways to get around, you have to have this device and that device and download this and that

I had a Lowrance in my Prerunner that you would just power up and take off through the Desert.

So now I've sloooowwwwd way down to a Jeep and love it, Im hooked.

The question is, is there some new simple dohicky that I can just mount on my dash and call it good. Just plug in and go, save my routes and hopefully not get too lost ?

Thanks for you patience in advance
An Android phone with Back Country Nav. It doesn't get any easier than that. Don't even need cell service or data to record a track. Pre load maps at home on Wi-Fi if you want to look at a topo while on the trail
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I am mounting a Samsung Note 10.1 to this:

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/016...g?v=1368897402

I am using a RAM 10.1 X mount to hold the tablet with a 6 inch extension. If you go this route you will need to order a 1 inch ball to be attached to the back of the tablet holder as well.

Was out this weekend with the tablet being used a GPS (back country nav) and RAM mounted to the windshield. The RAM GPS suction cup held the unit well but being as it was mounted on the windshield right hand trail turns had to be negotiated with me looking around over and under the nav unit. When the grab mount gets here that will change of course. The good thing about the tablet is that we also control our Go Pro and monitor Torque with it. We can also see the display and fat fingers can select options better.

The people I wheeled with this past weekend, young and old, admired the set up and use of the tablet for this.
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This one is good on the wife's iPad mini. She emails the files and they open in Google Earth on the PC. Easy to see your trip and can be saved in a file on GE for viewing later as well
He's correct about this. Used them for the first time this weekend and the ease of use was kinda scary. Not only that it appears to better detailed than google maps with POI's that us Jeepers would be interested in.
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Doesn't anybody use maps anymore? Or am I just old.
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Doesn't anybody use maps anymore? Or am I just old.
Maps are great but technology is there so its a personal choice. With newer technology it makes planning running and marking trails easier. It's on the fly. No need to stop pull out map get marker compass to get your bearings. Don't get me wrong is always good to have backups like maps cause as we all know technology can fail. I use it so I can lead runs with friends that haven't done them before. It's also create for exploring and finding new trails. Cause you can record where you went and Mark waypoints to return later
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Doesn't anybody use maps anymore? Or am I just old.
I still use maps. I horde them in fact. But I also use satellite imagery and gps because not all roads are on a paper map, with satellite I can see the road I want to go to and mark it on my GPS.
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Maps are great but technology is there so its a personal choice. With newer technology it makes planning running and marking trails easier. It's on the fly. No need to stop pull out map get marker compass to get your bearings. Don't get me wrong is always good to have backups like maps cause as we all know technology can fail. I use it so I can lead runs with friends that haven't done them before. It's also create for exploring and finding new trails. Cause you can record where you went and Mark waypoints to return later
Oh, I use it, especially for work as I'm somewhere different almost everyday and it has replaced my 5 Thomas guides. GPS does make it easier, but I also think it makes us a lil dumber in the process. For me I like to think that when I'm out of the city and not at work its a good time to re hone my map skills and use the terrain. Maybe stack a rock cairn or two also, as way points. I've been tooling around the mountains this way for years. I like to think I'm honing my survival skills LOL
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I still use maps. I horde them in fact. But I also use satellite imagery and gps because not all roads are on a paper map, with satellite I can see the road I want to go to and mark it on my GPS.
I love looking at the Sat imagery while comparing and making notes on my maps. So bitching.
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I love looking at the Sat imagery while comparing and making notes on my maps. So bitching.
It really is. Sadly, I do it for fun when I'm bored.
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It really is. Sadly, I do it for fun when I'm bored.
Right! Me too. Guess I'm not alone in my love of maps LOL
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You still need to know where you are going. Just this past weekend while using my new set up I took a wrong turn. New it was wrong the minute I took it and corrected but, still made it. Also, while out exploring some place we had two people with GPS's they decided to make a right hand turn and go wander around the desert looking for a road. We, no GPS, made a left hand turn at a fork, drove for a 1/2 mile, pulled over and waited for them to correct themselves. I new of this turn from reviewing a MAP prior to our trip. So they still have their purpose but I agree, a dumming down of sorts but you still have to know where you are and where you are going because both GPS's and maps are never truly up to date with the latest road mods that mother nature throws at us from time to time.
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You still need to know where you are going. Just this past weekend while using my new set up I took a wrong turn. New it was wrong the minute I took it and corrected but, still made it. Also, while out exploring some place we had two people with GPS's they decided to make a right hand turn and go wander around the desert looking for a road. We, no GPS, made a left hand turn at a fork, drove for a 1/2 mile, pulled over and waited for them to correct themselves. I new of this turn from reviewing a MAP prior to our trip. So they still have their purpose but I agree, a dumming down of sorts but you still have to know where you are and where you are going because both GPS's and maps are never truly up to date with the latest road mods that mother nature throws at us from time to time.
totally agree. U can't rely on gps and maps alone common sense and prep is the key.
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I agree. Prepping for a run by pouring over sat images and maps will give you a sense of having been there before even if its your first time. I'll track entire trails via the Sat image looking for anything that may be an issue and what the work arounds are. I think that even when you are leading by satellite that you are basically just following too. Just something about a paper map and finding my way that turns me on. Relying on my own wits and knowledge of terrain, topography and my notes. Gives me a bit more of the "Lewis n Clark" feel about exploring I guess.
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I use a WiFI only iPAD running MotionX, connected via Bluetooth to a Spot Connect for GPS Coordinates. Works great.

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That's a cool setup, I put it close to mirror level so i don't have to take my eyes off the road. It doesn't get in the way and my attention is up ahead of me. You don't loose much of the peripheral vision like you would looking down.

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