Thanks, I'll check out the Folsom dealer just for the heck of it to see what kind of vibe I get. I was up there to check out a competitor a couple months ago and was NOT impressed with the dealership. The sales guy I talked to briefly at Roseville seemed like a good guy though. The Elk Grove dealer, I'm not sure about but might have a better opinion after I go down there tomorrow to test drive a manual 2012 since they have a few in stock. I'd visited them a few weeks back and the sales guy I worked with seemed not very knowledgeable on things. For instance I was testing a 2011 and he's quoting 2012 engine figures. I also got a bit of the "sleazy vulture salesguy" vibe from them all just standing around, but it could have just been the day I went.