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Old 11-10-2012, 11:18 PM   #1
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Slider question

I've seen people on here knocking smittybilt. I don't understand why. I like their sliders from what I've seen. Before I purchase any I respect your opinion on here. I've seen u guys also praising ace for their sliders. But it's absolutely stupid to pay $113 in shipping from them. In my opinion if they can't find local shops to carry their product they need to suck it up in shipping. $298.00 for sliders $113.00 for shipping. That's almost half the cost of the product it self. With that being said my local 4wheelparts carries or can get shipped to the store free of charge smittybilt. Let me hear your opinion on that brand. Thank

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I've seen people on here knocking smittybilt. I don't understand why. I like their sliders from what I've seen. Before I purchase any I respect your opinion on here. I've seen u guys also praising ace for their sliders. But it's absolutely stupid to pay $113 in shipping from them. In my opinion if they can't find local shops to carry their product they need to suck it up in shipping. $298.00 for sliders $113.00 for shipping. That's almost half the cost of the product it self. With that being said my local 4wheelparts carries or can get shipped to the store free of charge smittybilt. Let me hear your opinion on that brand. Thank
I've got smittybilt src's on mine n they worked great in calico !! They did flex n dinged up the body a little bit but I came down hard as hell with the whole weight of the jeep (a little bad judgment on my part)so they really saved my ass !! No complaints

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Old 11-10-2012, 11:32 PM   #3
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Those r the type I'm looking at. Not into the step looking type.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:33 PM   #4
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Hi Chris.
A few basics that I have learned. Look at the slider mounting system. Does it spread the load out over the entire rocker. How is it supported underneath. When you come down on a rail or grind your way around a rock it puts a big twisting force on the rail. One that only bolts to the sheet metal will most likely allow some movement of the rocker. How much depends on how hard you hit it. It is a lot more than just what material it is running and the size of the tube. Look at the ones you like the look of and try to see how the forces will be spread during an impact. I think that will give you a better idea of what things are worth than who built it. It only takes one big hit with a bad design to do an expensive amount of damage. A good design will save you money in the long run. You have a long rocker to protect. It is going to want a lot of attachment points to spread that load.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:36 PM   #5
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Great point. From what I can tell the ones I'm looking at look pretty similar to the ace ones I've seen guys rant about on here. So I'm trying to compare. I don't know how to post pics on here so kinda tuff to show u guys.
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My friends just bought a 2013 JKU and I am going to help them pick out sliders so I will be watching what you do on yours. If I find anything interesting I will post it up.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:51 PM   #7
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Northridge has them for 379 free shipping to your door.
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By the way these put all the stress on only 3 points and those are the body mounts. And 4 wheel parts owns Smittybilt. Thats why they can deal with them so well.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:54 PM   #8
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As far as I can see both units can be mounted w stock rubi tails too. Just real puzzled why I'd pay $100 more for one over the other
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I've bought a few of the small smittybilt items, and so far I am having no problem with them.
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Hmmm damn I hate spending money but I bought this thing for a toy. So either way it'll be money well spent. I just don't wanna spend it twice on the same thing. On that note I need the money to be spread from bumper to bumper as well
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Just remember every pound you add is one more your tires have to overcome climbing a slippery rock.
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Just remember every pound you add is one more your tires have to overcome climbing a slippery rock.
Weight is actually good on slippery rocks. It forces the tires down onto the rocks. It's all that added fuel it takes to get those tires turning that kills me. Lol
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Definitely avoid the Smitty rails -- I have seen two different people that have done major damage to their rails and pictures of others that have had bad experiences with them. They are not high quality and tend to dent and bend.

I have the Ace + Rubi rails. Ace rails are very high quality. I have slammed down on them hard and bounced (once going down a waterfall in Calico), have not done any structural damage to them.

That said, the only thing I don't like about the Ace is the ground clearance. As a result of being able to mount below the Rubi rails, they are in fact pretty low. So when I wheel, I am ALWAYS on my rails.

I plan to eventually replace my rails with something that welds on, maybe the Evo. Weld on provide better protection. Downside of course, is they're pretty permanent because you have to weld them on. This is long term though, I'm in no hurry to replace the Ace. Other priorities.
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Hate to jump on the Smitty's (bad) bandwagon but the one of the guys on a previous run had smittys- they collapsed up into the body and caused $4000 damage. Cant find his forum name or I'd PM him. He wasn't/isn't a newbie driver either- he wasn't doing anything you wouldn't expect a good slider to make it through. Totally with Gunner. Mounting is everything; durability is everything. Ace are very highly rated here but on a two door there are only 2 mounting points. I went with Pure Jeep for this reason- I didn't have rails so they weren't that much more than Ace. However Pluke posted some nice video of Suicide King in his Ace sliders in a 4 door sliding over a very nice chunk of rock. If I had seen that before buying my PJs I might have re-considered the Ace(might).
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So apparently Suicide King was typing as I was....
I will say the PJs step/tube portion is level with the door- so you actually gain clearance. However we had to carry a small step ladder for my mother in law so she could get in and out today. I kid you not.
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Old 11-11-2012, 04:21 AM   #16
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Saw some of these at Stans shop. They were awesome. I would put a set of these on a JKU in a heartbeat. They do everything right. Maybe stan could get you a deal.
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I run the psc rockers, great rockers. Great choice, if you can swing em. No way you'll get those priced in smitty/ace territory, though.

That being said, between the two, go ace. Too many issues with smittys tweaking and their fitment is ok at best. I know Dave at Northridge recently became a dealer for ace and is probably your best bet with free shipping.
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Save up and buy them once. My recomendation is the ROCK HARD units. They have the tubular units but I can't speak to them. I can however speak to their other more solid, IMO, units that also provide a nice step to get in and out of the jeep, while also providing a nice platform for washing the roof, putting on and taking off the top etc...

At the top of their webpage there is a blue JK with these installed:

Rock Hard 4x4 Parts - 308-750-4690

They provide a nice 45 degree slope almost down to the frame while keeping boulders and other unwanted hard surfaces from the side of your jeep. We have used them a couple of times and other than rubbin off some paint, no damage to the skid or jeep.

Highly recommend saving your money and buying this item once, whether it is PSC or Rockhard units. Have seen both smitty and ace on the trail get dinged pretty good. Have seen the smitty units just fold into the side of one owners jeep.

Another area you are going to want to look at to protect is your lower rear shock mounts. Don't know what jeep was thinking putting these below the axle but they did.

Rebel Off Road Grinder Rear Control Arm Skid Plates for Jeep JK

Don't mention me or they will double charge you. LoL.

JPi also has these and installs them if you will but they take no time to put in, welder is nice to have. Worth the price and peace of mind know those are protected.
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So apparently Suicide King was typing as I was....
I will say the PJs step/tube portion is level with the door- so you actually gain clearance. However we had to carry a small step ladder for my mother in law so she could get in and out today. I kid you not.
That's pretty funny.

I am curious to see the PJ.
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Here they are. Install is scary: drilling 7 holes in a new Jeep. But no doubts about their toughness. Rock Hard per Dak was a close second but I got a great deal on the PJs at the Expo.
Can't get the photo of the slider alone to load...funny since its on the gallery; but are a "boat" type slider and wrap all the way around.
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Here they are. Install is scary: drilling 7 holes in a new Jeep. But no doubts about their toughness. Rock Hard per Dak was a close second but I got a great deal on the PJs at the Expo.
Can't get the photo of the slider alone to load...funny since its on the gallery; but are a "boat" type slider and wrap all the way around.
Sweet. Now lets scratch them. Lol
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This is why I ask for your opinion. I do remember seeing suicide body sliding that big rock now that u mention it. I'm thinking the better choice would be ace. Plus I see they give a life time warranty. Idk what exactly that means but them saying that means that they are pretty confident in their product. Now who to order them from? I'd much rather give a local shop the business.
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Sweet. Now lets scratch them. Lol
No Kidding. Want to test them....but don't.
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No Kidding. Want to test them....but don't.
Don't be scairt. You'll only flinch the first couple of times you hit them. After that, you'll barely notice it. Lol
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I went with the Rocker Brawlers from Poison Spyder. I like how they mount and especially how they protect underneath the jeep. Like one poster commented,you can pay now or pay later. Ya get's what ya pay for.

http://shop.poisonspyder.com/Jeep-JK.../18-08-200.htm

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Where's that Smittybuilt dead horse icon when you need it? Big fan of Poison Spyder here.
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What's your take on smitty Fred w/ out just talking trash? I'm really torn here.
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AP, I knew after last weeks run and slip you would have something. Congrats. Now to go to Bull Frog and work 'em on the pivots...
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As for the local shop you can call up JPi in Yucaipa or slip over and yap at the boys from Rebel. IF you go the the ACE route, ask your installer if there are any stock RUBI rails laying around that will fit your rig. Reason for stating that is that the ACE have gaps in them. The Rubi rails protect these gap'ed areas.

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