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Old 12-13-2012, 02:55 PM   #361
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:11 PM   #362
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Update from gf. Stilllll snowing...

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Hm. Just took a call from a company asking if I wanted to go back and do some work in Kuwait.... wonder if they would ship the tj over for me.
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OK I talked to the ranger station and here is the skinny. The road we are going to take. 3N16. Starts at Green Valley rd. It then turns into Crab Flats rd. Then it becomes Holcomb Valley rd and drops us out at the dump site at hwy 38. There are no gates on this route to worry about. Now as far as the roads getting up there. They do not expect to have chain stations up at this time. Another storm is due friday. I have to call back then. As far as chains go. They usually let the 4x4's run without. But State law says you are suppose to have them in your possession. Most of us do not have them. They should not be checking for them on 4x4's. I would only expect a problem if you get stuck and they ask for them. But with all of us and all the gear no one is going to get left stuck. All in all out. The Snow plows are going to be hitting the roads hard due to a slow season and they don't want to keep people out of town for any reason.
O'Reilly Auto Parts has plenty of chains for various sizes in stock. I picked up a set on Tuesday for a just in case situation.
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So does 4wheel parts off the 91.
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So does 4wheel parts off the 91.
There is gonna be a lot of traffic heading up there for the snow.
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There is gonna be a lot of traffic heading up there for the snow.
Lets hope not
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There is gonna be a lot of traffic heading up there for the snow.
Yep most likely, and ideas on best way from the 15 to Rocky's to avoid the traffic. Other than leaving at 5AM.
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Yep most likely, and ideas on best way from the 15 to Rocky's to avoid the traffic. Other than leaving at 5AM.
Hwy 330. It's really the only option. Its going to be a circus for sure.
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Carry chains if chain control is up if you don't have chains they won't let you through
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Carry chains if chain control is up if you don't have chains they won't let you through
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Yep most likely, and ideas on best way from the 15 to Rocky's to avoid the traffic. Other than leaving at 5AM.
I'm thinking of getting up there a little earlier to get a jump on all the subaru's with snow boards on top
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I'm thinking of getting up there a little earlier to get a jump on all the subaru's with snow boards on top
U want to meet at kays ?
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U want to meet at kays ?
Where is that at and what is it?
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Where is that at and what is it?
Kays cafe breakfast. Baseline and palm. Just south of where 330 and 210 meet
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Guys,

A post on JK-F is stating that Snow Valley has received 13"-15" of snow today: Snow Report - Snow Valley Mountain Resort

Also, Caltrans is requiring chains on all vehicles or snow tires on 4x4's: http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/roadinfo/Hourly

How do you think this will affect our run Saturday?
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So do we have snow tires ?
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What's the difference in snow traction between an M+S (Mud and Snow) branded tire, an all-season tire and a purpose-built winter/snow tire? While many drivers probably aren't absolutely sure, it can be the difference between getting to work, getting home or getting stuck.
The original definition of M+S tires is based on the geometry of the tread design. The M+S designation was first used to differentiate the knobby, bias ply tires intended for use on muddy and/or snow-covered roads from the straight rib tires used on early cars or trucks. Tires with tread designs that meet the definition may be branded with the letters "M" and "S" in several different ways (e.g., M&S, M+S, M/S, MS, etc.) at the discretion of the tire manufacturer.
When early radial ply tires were also found to deliver more snow traction than the straight rib, bias ply tires, the tire companies introduced all-season tires. Supported by advertising, all-season tires have presented an unspoken promise that they, throughout their life, can provide traction for all seasons...through spring's rain, summer's heat, fall's cooling and winter's snow. While this combined offering has made all-season tires popular, many drivers have learned that a geometric definition doesn't guarantee winter snow and ice traction.
In 1999, The U.S. Rubber Manufacturers Association (RMA) and the Rubber Association of Canada (RAC) agreed on a performance based standard to identify passenger and light truck tires that attain a traction index equal to, or greater than 110 (compared to a reference tire which is rated 100) during the specified American Society for Testing and Materials traction tests on packed snow. The new standard helps ensure that drivers can easily identify tires that provide a higher level of snow traction.
A mountain/snowflake symbol branded on the tire's sidewall identifies tires that met the required performance in snow testing. The mountain/snowflake symbol is expected to be fully implemented on new tires by now, however there still may be a few winter/snow tires in the marketplace that meet the requirements but were produced in molds manufactured before the symbol was developed.
NOTE: A Highway Safety Code regulation passed September 17, 2008 for Quebec, Canada, stipulates that:
"Between 15 December to 15 March, the owner of a taxi or passenger vehicle registered in Quebec may not put the vehicle into operation unless it is equipped with tires specifically designed for winter driving, in compliance with the standards prescribed by government regulation. The prohibition also applies to any person renting out passenger vehicles not equipped with that type of tires."
While dedicated winter/snow tires bearing the mountain/snowflake symbol are available in sizes for most passenger cars and minivans, the wide range of sizes and load ranges for tires used on crossover vehicles, sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks and full size vans encouraged Quebec to temporarily expand its definition of acceptable tires to implement this law.
Alternate tires not bearing the mountain/snowflake symbol which have one or more of the following terms branded in their tire name or tire size are temporarily acceptable: Alaska, Arctic, A/T or AT Blizzard, Ice, LT, Nordic, Snow (but not mud and snow), Stud, Ultratraction or Winter.
While the inclusion of LT in this list means that any LT-metric, Flotation LT or LT-numeric sized tire is acceptable, drivers facing challenging winter driving will be best served by selecting dedicated winter/snow tires, followed by On-/Off-Road All-Terrain or Commercial Traction tires.
Starting December 15, 2014, the Highway Safety Code regulation specifies only tires bearing the mountain/snowflake symbol will be considered acceptable winter/snow tires in Quebec.
This list of temporarily acceptable tires only applies to drivers in Quebec.
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We will probably be there for breakfast. I don't like spending my fun drive time in traffic. I get that at work and do t need it on my off time.
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OK. I retract my statement from this morning. What a flippin mess up here. Snow started at about 5000' and its currently 32 degrees. The tires on my jeep aren't as good as my bfg a/t's were on every other 4x I've had up here. I just cleared my driveway for the past hour.stuff should be around a while. Its thick and sticky.
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We will probably be there for breakfast. I don't like spending my fun drive time in traffic. I get that at work and do t need it on my off time.
I feel ya
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OK. I retract my statement from this morning. What a flippin mess up here. Snow started at about 5000' and its currently 32 degrees. The tires on my jeep aren't as good as my bfg a/t's were on every other 4x I've had up here. I just cleared my driveway for the past hour.stuff should be around a while. Its thick and sticky.
So does that mean we will need chains ?
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So does that mean we will need chains ?
Better yet, will 3N16 even be passable without a plow? Is it still looking like this run will (or can) still happen? I'm itching to go!
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Better yet, will 3N16 even be passable without a plow? Is it still looking like this run will (or can) still happen? I'm itching to go!
Ohh shut Donner party all over again.
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On the way in, caltrans had a portable stop sign and a guy sitting in his truck. Sign showed " chains required". They didn't look twice at me in the jeep. Slow and steady, 4hi and 2nd gear(auto).
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On the way in, caltrans had a portable stop sign and a guy sitting in his truck. Sign showed " chains required". They didn't look twice at me in the jeep. Slow and steady, 4hi and 2nd gear(auto).
Lets just go for. Even a few survived the Donner group.

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