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Old 12-11-2012, 05:21 PM   #151
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Doesn't seem like calico would appeal to the above stock, below built, jeepers... (Me)
We took a stock Unlimited Sport, all he had was sliders, up Odessa, and down to Wall Street. Never even needed a strap. Although we did pop his rear bumper off. And he popped a tire because he didn't air down. If he could do it, so can you.

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I have only ran the entire loop in the 2 times I have been there, but Dan stayed behind this past Sunday after we left and ran Wall Street and another trail. He figured Wall St as an easy and the other (can't remember the name) as intermediate and Odessa as hard. If that's the case all 3 levels would be covered.

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I have only ran the entire loop in the 2 times I have been there, but Dan stayed behind this past Sunday after we left and ran Wall Street and another trail. He figured Wall St as an easy and the other (can't remember the name) as intermediate and Odessa as hard. If that's the case all 3 levels would be covered.
I've never run Wall Street.

I've run Odessa, Doran, and Mule Canyon. Odessa and Doran are not recommend without plenty of armor. Mule is essentially a fire road.
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What is this Wall Street of which you guys speak? Sounds interesting.
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I've never run Wall Street.

I've run Odessa, Doran, and Mule Canyon. Odessa and Doran are not recommend without plenty of armor. Mule is essentially a fire road.
You also did Phillips Loop last March.

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What is this Wall Street of which you guys speak? Sounds interesting.
It's an easy drive west from Bismarck Mine to a nice view of a deep canyon. You can get to Bismarck Mine via Doran Canyon (difficult), Odessa Canyon (difficult) or Mule Canyon and Tin Can Alley (easy).

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I was thinking a possible moderate run could be Kramer Arch (cool little arch to you can drive through), to Phillips Loop (just the uphill moderately easy rock crawling section), to Bismarck Mine (cool catacombs), to Wall Street Canyon Overlook (scenic) to the stone cabin north of Wall St, then down Doran Canyon (difficult going uphill, but downhill is moderate). This is a bit different than the easy/moderate run we did last March.
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We took a stock Unlimited Sport, all he had was sliders, up Odessa, and down to Wall Street. Never even needed a strap. Although we did pop his rear bumper off. And he popped a tire because he didn't air down. If he could do it, so can you.
You stock jeep made it through- but not without breaking stuff. I think that was the whole point of questioning if Calico had beginner/stocker sections. Not everyone is willing to forgo a bumper.
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You stock jeep made it through- but not without breaking stuff. I think that was the whole point of questioning if Calico had beginner/stocker sections. Not everyone is willing to forgo a bumper.
I did it with my stock jeep last year. First time ever crawling, its very do able but there is chance for damage. But there is a chance for that anywhere.
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I really enjoyed Calico when we went with Turd on a M&G last year (I think). The only thing that scares me is that cliff hanger obstacle.
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You stock jeep made it through- but not without breaking stuff. I think that was the whole point of questioning if Calico had beginner/stocker sections. Not everyone is willing to forgo a bumper.
Not my Jeep. And those stock JK bumpers are held on by plastic pop rivets. What a joke. You could pull it off by hand. I on the other hand destroyed my entire stock LJ undercarriage on a night run up Doran. Love me some skinny pedal. Great excuse to mod. Lol
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I really enjoyed Calico when we went with Turd on a M&G last year (I think). The only thing that scares me is that cliff hanger obstacle.
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When we were on that section last weekend, someone spent hours to fill it in with rocks. Not very intimidating now
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While in Calico last week I ran two trails. Saturday we went up Doran and down Odessa. My guess is this trail requires 33” tires and a rear locker, with some body armor. The group I was with agreed the trail may be even more fun to do in the reverse direction (up Odessa and down Duran). IMHO, I think this will be a great advance run for the M&G. On Sunday, I did a solo run and did Phillips Loop. I think this is a great intermediate run. This is a fun scenic route up a canyon and back down then thru the mud hills. Only one real obstacle is a rocky climb with a few mini waterfalls. I would think 31” tires is the minimum requirement. Not very much opportunity for body damage. For an easy run, I would suggest a trip to Wall Street. Although I have not done this entire route, from Bill’s offroad book, it shows the route as easy. Any stock jeep will be fine. I would think this will be a great run for newbies, stock rigs, or anyone looking for a stress free scenic drive without worrying about body damage. Perfect for someone new to offroading or someone with a new JK that does not want to risk body damage.
Anyway that is just my 2 cents. I will be willing to go to Calico and pre-run and map out the 3 different routes if needed…
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While in Calico last week I ran two trails. Saturday we went up Doran and down Odessa. My guess is this trail requires 33” tires and a rear locker, with some body armor. The group I was with agreed the trail may be even more fun to do in the reverse direction (up Odessa and down Duran). IMHO, I think this will be a great advance run for the M&G. On Sunday, I did a solo run and did Phillips Loop. I think this is a great intermediate run. This is a fun scenic route up a canyon and back down then thru the mud hills. Only one real obstacle is a rocky climb with a few mini waterfalls. I would think 31” tires is the minimum requirement. Not very much opportunity for body damage. For an easy run, I would suggest a trip to Wall Street. Although I have not done this entire route, from Bill’s offroad book, it shows the route as easy. Any stock jeep will be fine. I would think this will be a great run for newbies, stock rigs, or anyone looking for a stress free scenic drive without worrying about body damage. Perfect for someone new to offroading or someone with a new JK that does not want to risk body damage.
Anyway that is just my 2 cents. I will be willing to go to Calico and pre-run and map out the 3 different routes if needed…
I've done Doran Loop in both directions. IMO clockwise (up Doran, down Odessa) is way more fun.

We did Phillips Loop as the beginner/intermediate run at the M&G last March. Most people on that run were left wanting more, which is why I came up with the suggestion above which adds a little more "fun" and scenery.

Wall Street Canyon Overlook via Mule Canyon and Tin Can Alley can be done in any 2WD truck or SUV. Could be nice for solo family fun and complete newbies, but based on the fact that most people who did Phillips Loop last March wanted more, this may not be enough for people.
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We did Phillips Loop as the beginner/intermediate run at the M&G last March. Most people on that run were left wanting more, which is why I came up with the suggestion above which adds a little more "fun" and scenery.

Wall Street Canyon Overlook via Mule Canyon and Tin Can Alley can be done in any 2WD truck or SUV. Could be nice for solo family fun and complete newbies, but based on the fact that most people who did Phillips Loop last March wanted more, this may not be enough for people.
Ya, thinking about it, maybe you are right. I did not go to the last M&G in Calico and I have not been down Doran. It is much easier going down than up. Adding that portion (down Doran) would make it a bit more challenging. My only thought is with stock (or close to it) rigs and less experianced drivers, and a good size group, it could be a long day on the trail
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The last meet and greet out there we split up into two groups to move along quicker. It worked well.
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Two groups doing Doran Loop, and a third group doing Phillips Loop.
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We took a stock Unlimited Sport, all he had was sliders, up Odessa, and down to Wall Street. Never even needed a strap. Although we did pop his rear bumper off. And he popped a tire because he didn't air down. If he could do it, so can you.
Actually thats not true rob haha, i strapped him on the way to the wash or was it on the way to wall st lol
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Actually thats not true rob haha, i strapped him on the way to the wash or was it on the way to wall st lol
I thought Elmo got the strap, not Gonzo. All I know is I didn't need it this time. Lol
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I voted Anza Borrego mostly because I haven't been there yet. I will have been to Calico twice by then, 3 times if you count the first meet n' greet.

I'm in either way though. At least Calico would cost me less in gas money.
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I really enjoyed Calico when we went with Turd on a M&G last year (I think). The only thing that scares me is that cliff hanger obstacle.
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It was an off camber trail like this on top of Devils Slide that made me pucker a lot a few weeks ago. So let me, as a newb, ask you guys is it better to crawl (1mph) through it or carry a little momentum (3mph)? I crawled on devils slide and got a real nice view out of the passenger window down about 75'.
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It was an off camber trail like this on top of Devils Slide that made me pucker a lot a few weeks ago. So let me, as a newb, ask you guys is it better to crawl (1mph) through it or carry a little momentum (3mph)? I crawled on devils slide and got a real nice view out of the passenger window down about 75'.
Crawling I think would be a lot better. There is a video on youtube where a guy in a landrover carried momentum through this obstacle and almost sent himself off the side to the right of Bill's Jeep in the pic. He was going up the obstacle though.
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Crawling I think would be a lot better. There is a video on youtube where a guy in a landrover carried momentum through this obstacle and almost sent himself off the side to the right of Bill's Jeep in the pic. He was going up the obstacle though.
I've seen that. Freaking crazy. Laughed my head off
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I really enjoyed Calico when we went with Turd on a M&G last year (I think). The only thing that scares me is that cliff hanger obstacle.
(Old pic of BillGOTD's Jeep)
That particular spot always really gets my attention. If it wasn't for Randy (Dave's son), our group's official spotter who is in that photo, I would have been a lot more spooked the last time I had to get past that part of the trail.
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That particular spot always really gets my attention. If it wasn't for Randy (Dave's son), our group's official spotter who is in that photo, I would have been a lot more spooked the last time I had to get past that part of the trail.
The hole is filled in with rocks now, no pucker...
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But i like my pucker getting puckered
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Not me, i'd rather keep the rubber side down.
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The hole is filled in with rocks now, no pucker...
I hope someone removes those rocks by the time I go back there next month. Or otherwise maybe we'll remove them.
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I've done Doran Loop in both directions. IMO clockwise (up Doran, down Odessa) is way more fun.

We did Phillips Loop as the beginner/intermediate run at the M&G last March. Most people on that run were left wanting more, which is why I came up with the suggestion above which adds a little more "fun" and scenery.

Wall Street Canyon Overlook via Mule Canyon and Tin Can Alley can be done in any 2WD truck or SUV. Could be nice for solo family fun and complete newbies, but based on the fact that most people who did Phillips Loop last March wanted more, this may not be enough for people.
I havent run it backwards, but want to just to change it up a bit...It is hard to come up with a location (other than BB) that has a trail for all levels. Some are more hardcore and some are more like fire roads. The group that ran the easier trail last time said it was not much more than a fire road, but if we can put together a good intermediate run I still think its a real good location for the M&G.
I dont know Calico like you do Armand, but as Dan suggested I would be willing to go pre run it and help plot out a decent Intermediate run. Such a sacrifice...
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I havent run it backwards, but want to just to change it up a bit...It is hard to come up with a location (other than BB) that has a trail for all levels. Some are more hardcore and some are more like fire roads. The group that ran the easier trail last time said it was not much more than a fire road, but if we can put together a good intermediate run I still think its a real good location for the M&G.
I dont know Calico like you do Armand, but as Dan suggested I would be willing to go pre run it and help plot out a decent Intermediate run. Such a sacrifice...
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A trail that is hard enough it makes you NEED 4 wheel low, makes you at least think about buying a locker, Makes you wonder what that clunk was and yet will not damage Jenns Jeep

Exactly. Hate to damage the Mall Crawler- and the dirt! Heavens! I might break a nail trying to get all filth out before I head to my hair appointment and soccer pratice.
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A trail that is hard enough it makes you NEED 4 wheel low, makes you at least think about buying a locker, Makes you wonder what that clunk was and yet will not damage Jenns Jeep
I think at least 2 of those apply to me just driving down the street
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I havent run it backwards, but want to just to change it up a bit...It is hard to come up with a location (other than BB) that has a trail for all levels. Some are more hardcore and some are more like fire roads. The group that ran the easier trail last time said it was not much more than a fire road, but if we can put together a good intermediate run I still think its a real good location for the M&G.
I dont know Calico like you do Armand, but as Dan suggested I would be willing to go pre run it and help plot out a decent Intermediate run. Such a sacrifice...
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I would rate doran/Odessa with Holcomb. But much more scenic. A challenging, but fun trail for any mall crawler!

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