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Old 05-07-2013, 11:30 AM   #151
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I totally agree with the fact that a well set up soa performs great. The reason i would want a linked suspension would be because my wife would love a much smoother ride. Is soa snotther lets say going 50mph down the desert?

And stretching the wheel base is definitely something i want so that might also add to a smoother ride.
you cant even do 50 mph through the desert mini !!! HAHAHAHA.....

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Old 05-07-2013, 11:31 AM   #152
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Yes a SOA is a much smoother ride...the key thing that I've found is that u need to keep the leafs flat...at they're longest point...this way as u cycle through ur suspension cycle the wheels well always be moving in a rearward movement thus giving a smoother ride. It also give you the same amount of drop as upward travel too ...witch makes for great flex.
not to mention a leaf spring setup is inherently stronger ...less moving parts...liter and cheaper to build and or maintain ....
Now this is just my opinion of course ...
I see in your garage that you're running a d44 front on 37s. Have you ever broken a shaft? I want to broken a shaft? I eventually want to swap to a bigger front end but i dont know if they make a d60 with 5×5.5 bolt pattern. All this axle talk is a little confusing knowing that not all d44s are the same.

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you cant even do 50 mph through the desert mini !!! HAHAHAHA.....
A yj can dream...
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The very newest corvettes still have leaf springs in them. They when properly set up do a wonderful job. When we drag raced we use to take spring packs apart and layer thin strips of teflon in between the leaves. Then reassemble. The ride was so much smoother. Sometimes we would clamp and tape the pack in the front and put the plastic in the rear to give us extra traction. The rear flexed and the front lifted. You can do lots of things to a leaf that you can't to a coil. I would almost guarantee that if you took apart the springs and gave them a good wire wheeling and then put a thick synthetic wheel bearing grease between the leaves you would be surprised how much smoother they would be.
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The very newest corvettes still have leaf springs in them. They when properly set up do a wonderful job. When we drag raced we use to take spring packs apart and layer thin strips of teflon in between the leaves. Then reassemble. The ride was so much smoother. Sometimes we would clamp and tape the pack in the front and put the plastic in the rear to give us extra traction. The rear flexed and the front lifted. You can do lots of things to a leaf that you can't to a coil. I would almost guarantee that if you took apart the springs and gave them a good wire wheeling and then put a thick synthetic wheel bearing grease between the leaves you would be surprised how much smoother they would be.
I might give that a try.
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I'll bet you will find dirt and rust between the leaves that create friction and heat.
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I see in your garage that you're running a d44 front on 37s. Have you ever broken a shaft? I want to broken a shaft? I eventually want to swap to a bigger front end but i dont know if they make a d60 with 5×5.5 bolt pattern. All this axle talk is a little confusing knowing that not all d44s are the same.
Yes I run old school Dana 44s the front one is out of an 81 Wagoneer and the rear is an HD Dana 44 out of an Isuzu that uses d60 parts...I run 37" Irok's bias tires that are liter then most 35"s and I've never broken any part of the axles.
for u with ur 2.5 and wanting to stay 5 lug and with the narrow 8.8 I'd look for a front d44 out of a Waggy and convert it to ford or Scout spindles & breaks
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Wheel and tire weight contribute a lot toward axle breakage. A 35 KM2 is 10 pounds lighter than a 35 MTRK. Then if you throw in a 30 pound steel wheel vs a 17 pound alloy you can save 23 pounds per corner. That is a lot of inertia to overcome.
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And stretching the wheel base is definitely something i want so that might also add to a smoother ride.
I'd be willing to bet you lost an inch or 2liter in wheelbase when you installed your lift..
stock is 94"
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Steve what about a shackle reversal for a smoother ride.
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Steve what about a shackle reversal for a smoother ride.
Well...it would if your running an arched spring but if you have flat springs the spring will be at its longest and as the suspension cycles the axle will move forward ...that is why with flat springs and a SOA it's preferred to leave the shackles in the front so the axle will move in a reward direction.
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Gotcha that makes sense.
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Spring over or under does not make a difference. It's just the flat vs arched right? The axle is along for the ride as far as travel forward or rearward goes.
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Spring over or under does not make a difference. It's just the flat vs arched right? The axle is along for the ride as far as travel forward or rearward goes.
Yes ..but with a SUA you'll only have 2" of up travel ....he he
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Well that sux. My YJ was a flat spring SUA with a 1 inch shackle lift. It wouldn't flex very well.
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Well that sux. My YJ was a flat spring SUA with a 1 inch shackle lift. It wouldn't flex very well.
Roger that...
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So here's some pics for the speed shop thread, from the slowest machine, to the fastest machine I've ever operated
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So here's some pics for the speed shop thread, from the slowest machine, to the fastest machine I've ever operated
That is awesome Stan. I'm a big fan of heavy machinery.
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That is awesome Stan. I'm a big fan of heavy machinery.
Me too, I don't run it anymore, but I could spend a few hours at Cat looking at the new equipment.
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Is that a D-8 Cat...
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is that a d-8 cat...
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Yeah..I didn't look at the pic very close ....I'm on my phone lol
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Shoot now I gotta go pull out some old stuff to scan.
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So here's some pics for the speed shop thread, from the slowest machine, to the fastest machine I've ever operated
First, the cat pic reminds me of fred flintstone for some reason...

Second, do u have a thing for yellow...or is it just coincidence ?
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First, the cat pic reminds me of fred flintstone for some reason...

Second, do u have a thing for yellow...or is it just coincidence ?
Your right on both pics Geoff!
First: I did work in a rock quarry like Fred

Second: I do like yellow, but I would have painted it pink and had a string dragging off the back if Kotex gave as much $$ as Mac tools did!
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Cool pics Bob, I wanted to run a Pro stock bike but they're set up for short guys. I've watched the videos of you and that bike was bad arse!
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Here's a good bit of info....if your thinking about doin a ford HP d44 swap its 63" wide ...if you run Dodge Ram Charger knuckles & stub shafts it'll narrow the axle 2" and keep the 5 lug...
this will make it a great swap for a Tj or Yj and will make a perfect match for the 8.8 or d44
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Wow your just full of good stuff.
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Wow your just full of it.
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