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Old 05-19-2013, 10:49 AM   #211
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Entirely different recommendation in that case. You will have to go a very long way to outdo the MTRk out there.
I've been REAL happy with my MTR/K. They seem to grip the rocks well and don't seem to go flat all the time like the BFG's. I think in the last year, I've seen ONLY BFG MT's go flat. Can't remember the last time I saw a flat that wasn't BFG.

The forums they seem to blast the MTRK saying they're difficult to balance. Seems to be more of a myth at this point.

I got a Hi Lift for Christmas this year. In the JKU, it will fit fine under the rear passenger seat. I just bungie it to the seat brackets. I bought mine mostly to change a tire and didn't have one other than the stock jack.

I've seen them used a few times. One was to rescue another Hi lift.
One guy used one to change a tire. Then when he was done, it was so old that he couldn't get it to release. So another guy brought in a hi lift to free it...

Note in the pic of Don, he is also changing a BFG MT.

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Although I have never used my Hi-Lift and have a few friends that have never used theirs as well, but we all carry one. That said in the last 8 months I have seen it used four times and twice on one run. Everything we do to our rigs is for just in case of this or that but fun to add stuff to our jeeps
If the only tool in your bag is a hammer, you view every problem like it is a nail.

I've yet to see any problem on the trail where a hi lift was used that I can't solve with the factory bottle jack and or a winch.

I've had rigs wedged in rocks so bad that something was going to break and 5 folks screaming for hi lifts to lift tires and stack. All I did was hook my winch to his cage, snatch block it over to an anchor rock, tilt him over until his tires cleared and had him drive out of it. Much easier than jacking and stacking.

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In the past 10 year's I'd have to say that I've seen one being used to lift a body to remove a wedged rock from a wheel well.


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I've been REAL happy with my MTR/K. They seem to grip the rocks well and don't seem to go flat all the time like the BFG's. I think in the last year, I've seen ONLY BFG MT's go flat. Can't remember the last time I saw a flat that wasn't BFG.

The forums they seem to blast the MTRK saying they're difficult to balance. Seems to be more of a myth at this point.

I got a Hi Lift for Christmas this year. In the JKU, it will fit fine under the rear passenger seat. I just bungie it to the seat brackets. I bought mine mostly to change a tire and didn't have one other than the stock jack.

I've seen them used a few times. One was to rescue another Hi lift.
One guy used one to change a tire. Then when he was done, it was so old that he couldn't get it to release. So another guy brought in a hi lift to free it...

Note in the pic of Don, he is also changing a BFG MT.
The BFG Krawlers are nothing like a MT KM2
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I love my MTRK's I had Yoko AT's on it before in 33 inch. They had to weigh what the 35 MTRK's do. But they didn't stick or flex anywhere near what the GY do. The guys I go out with all have the MTRK's on them and they are all 20+ year wheeling guys.

I'm of a mind that I don't want to have my jack kill me. The high lifts can be dangerous if not used correctly. I grew up using bumper jacks. They suck. Give me a screw or bottle and some rocks any day. It seems counter intuitive to build in 10 inches of drop and then grab a jack to lift your tire using the chassis. I am sure they are used on the trail but the horror stories about them are chilling.
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I love my MTRK's I had Yoko AT's on it before in 33 inch. They had to weigh what the 35 MTRK's do. But they didn't stick or flex anywhere near what the GY do. The guys I go out with all have the MTRK's on them and they are all 20+ year wheeling guys.

I'm of a mind that I don't want to have my jack kill me. The high lifts can be dangerous if not used correctly. I grew up using bumper jacks. They suck. Give me a screw or bottle and some rocks any day. It seems counter intuitive to build in 10 inches of drop and then grab a jack to lift your tire using the chassis. I am sure they are used on the trail but the horror stories about them are chilling.
Totally agree Bob, the MTRs have been the best all around tire that we have tested at this point. Not to say there isn't a better tire for some of the terrain we see, but the MTRs have been good to us, and out of the last 7 sets that I've used between my YJs, TJs, and my current JK, I have yet to see one repair.
As far as jacks go, IMO, the PITA Hi Lift is much more than a jack, whereas the bottle jack is just basically a jack. The Hi lift can pull, push, be used for metal for broken parts, push bent cages back into shape, etc, and it does even jack up your ride to change a tire! But as earlier stated, Hi Lifts are dangerous.
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So if I just want a jack to change a tire, what's a good bottle jack to get?

I might consider selling mine since a bottle jack is really all I need, easier to carry around all the time, and even save a little weight. Plus, someone will ALWAYS have a hi lift if one is really needed. Usually it's a strap or winch that will recover someone.
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Yes Hi-Lifts are dangerous and have seen fall off a vehicle
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That's why I also have 1.5 ton jack I only pack it on long trips.
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So if I just want a jack to change a tire, what's a good bottle jack to get?

I might consider selling mine since a bottle jack is really all I need, easier to carry around all the time, and even save a little weight. Plus, someone will ALWAYS have a hi lift if one is really needed. Usually it's a strap or winch that will recover someone.
I just picked up a 4 ton at Harbour freight for about 25 or so....
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Not to say there isn't a better tire for some of the terrain we see, but the MTRs have been good to us, and out of the last 7 sets that I've used between my YJs, TJs, and my current JK, I have yet to see one repair.
That's very likely terrain based. Between our rigs we've run 35's, 2 sets of 37's, a set of 40's, 2 sets of metric 35's, a set of metric 33's, and I've cut at least 5 of the 37's and 40's. I currently have a cut 40, and I cut a brand new 37 within 50 yards of the start of Sledge one fine day. I'm also one of the few folks I see out there that will back up when I think I've got a sidewall in danger and try to move over a bit so I don't cut it.

My friend Sergey cut 3 out of 5 35's on the way to the trail out there one day. We had a buddy bring out another set because I was able to sew only one of them well enough to get back to camp.
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That's very likely terrain based. Between our rigs we've run 35's, 2 sets of 37's, a set of 40's, 2 sets of metric 35's, a set of metric 33's, and I've cut at least 5 of the 37's and 40's. I currently have a cut 40, and I cut a brand new 37 within 50 yards of the start of Sledge one fine day. I'm also one of the few folks I see out there that will back up when I think I've got a sidewall in danger and try to move over a bit so I don't cut it.

My friend Sergey cut 3 out of 5 35's on the way to the trail out there one day. We had a buddy bring out another set because I was able to sew only one of them well enough to get back to camp.
So no matter what there is a chance at JV to cut a tire
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So no matter what there is a chance at JV to cut a tire
Sorta, I prefer to look at it like there is a chance you won't cut a tire. That goes out the window if you show up with the BFG Mud Terrains though.
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Sorta, I prefer to look at it like there is a chance you won't cut a tire. That goes out the window if you show up with the BFG Mud Terrains though.
Lol yeah they suck... That's why I was thinking about the krawlers with their 4 ply sidewalls. I kinda like scraping and bumping stuff so the more I can drive my rubi like Stevie Wonder and try to the braille approach, the better. Lol
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Anyone know of some moderate trails in the Mt Baldy area? or local 4x4 trails in or around the area of Upland/ Rancho Cucamonga?

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Lol yeah they suck... That's why I was thinking about the krawlers with their 4 ply sidewalls. I kinda like scraping and bumping stuff so the more I can drive my rubi like Stevie Wonder and try to the braille approach, the better. Lol
Well, in that case, I hope you have lots of money for tire insurance however you accomplish it. JV is not the least bit kind to tires belonging to drivers that drive by braille. America's Tire has been very good to us in that regard, but they are getting more difficult in their honoring of the warranties.
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Well, in that case, I hope you have lots of money for tire insurance however you accomplish it. JV is not the least bit kind to tires belonging to drivers that drive by braille. America's Tire has been very good to us in that regard, but they are getting more difficult in their honoring of the warranties.
I was merely kidding. I'm a fan of building it right the first time but I also like to experiment a bit. I'll more than likely go with MTRs, but its nice to get a feel of what else is out there. I get annoyed with people who don't think out of the box, and just do what everyone says. I've got a list of what I need to buy before I run the hammers and it might take a year or so to have my rig up to par. Mainly, chromo shafts, 35s, beefy tie rod, diff covers, and a good skid plate package for the bottom.
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I was merely kidding. I'm a fan of building it right the first time but I also like to experiment a bit. I'll more than likely go with MTRs, but its nice to get a feel of what else is out there. I get annoyed with people who don't think out of the box, and just do what everyone says. I've got a list of what I need to buy before I run the hammers and it might take a year or so to have my rig up to par. Mainly, chromo shafts, 35s, beefy tie rod, diff covers, and a good skid plate package for the bottom.
If you ever study the products I design, you figure out pretty quickly that I've been thinking outside the box for a very long time. I also use that ability to distill what works and hop back in the box when being outside it reaches the level of absurdity.

An example would be a very dear friend of mine who owns an Unibody rig. He loves to be different. He will do just about anything to be different so he buy the Maxxis Creepy Crawlers which are big, lumpy, out of round, impossible to balance.

He has run them to the detriment of his rig to the point they have cracked the subframe, grill support tie bar, rattled the hood supports apart, ruined the hood, worn out the suspension, ruined the steering, and shaken, rattled, and stirred just about everything loose that you can imagine. I spent several day helping him reinforce everything to cure his DW issue including dismounting and remounting his tires.

Were it me, I would have found the first sucker willing to give me just about any amount of cash for them and dumped them in an instant rather than tolerate that level of damage just to be different. He bought another set of them, but then again, he is different.
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Lol well there is a difference in being "different" and stupid lol what's you company Btw?
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He he...exactly ...its amazing the places rocks can find themselves ...
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He don't make stuff for JK's Kenny. Only us privileged class of TJ's get Savvy parts LOL.
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That's just prejudice at its finest lol you know it was a toss up between an LJ Rubicon and mine. The LJ had a body lift and 35s but was an automatic. Some days I wish I went that route... Other days I'm glad I didn't lol
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That's just prejudice at its finest lol you know it was a toss up between an LJ Rubicon and mine. The LJ had a body lift and 35s but was an automatic. Some days I wish I went that route... Other days I'm glad I didn't lol
Not entirely true. I just finished off the JK front Very Large Brake kit. Dual 54mm piston calipers, 13.25" massive rotor, new master, 100% bolt-on with Black Magic Brake pads.
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Not entirely true. I just finished off the JK front Very Large Brake kit. Dual 54mm piston calipers, 13.25" massive rotor, new master, 100% bolt-on with Black Magic Brake pads.
I plan on running 15 inch wheels, because I'm still stuck in the 90s and I like the contact patch. But, your deal on pads and rotors is very interesting once mine wear out.
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Heck Kenny you were born in the 90's.
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Heck Kenny you were born in the 90's.
Lol Nah I was born in the 80s lol 87 though lol same year as my K5 back home lol
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They were only making wartime stuff when I was born. The new peacetime models all came out in 49 two years later.
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