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Old 05-24-2013, 01:34 PM   #4081
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I guess you guys aren't concerned with weight. Im trying to stay nimble. And sometimes you have to sacrifice strength for weight. It's an ages old battle in these things. And as far as some of the factory mistakes, like JK ball joints and such, these things happen. Especially on newer cars that are pushed to quickly into production. The manufacturers philosophy is, we'll fix them later under a recall, get it on the road now. Just saying.

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I guess you guys aren't concerned with weight. Im trying to stay nimble. And sometimes you have to sacrifice strength for weight. It's an ages old battle in these things. And as far as some of the factory mistakes, like JK ball joints and such, these things happen. Especially on newer cars that are pushed to quickly into production. The manufacturers philosophy is, we'll fix them later under a recall, get it on the road now. Just saying.
When your weight is in the axles its not bad bc the center of gravity isn't affected. Plus with 38+ tires weigh kinda goes out the window lol

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Every ounce you add needs to be considered. It's not just center of gravity. You still have to pull that weight around. That's why tow ratings go down with every option, or mod added.
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Every ounce you add needs to be considered. It's not just center of gravity. You still have to pull that weight around. That's why tow ratings go down with every option, or mod added.
We ain't building race cars, so adding unsprung weight isn't going to effect your "crawl-ability". And honestly if you added enough options to make your tow rating go down more than 50lbs and you're concerned about that.... Buy a dually. That is merely so you don't over load the brakes. Which my K5 with 3/4 ton gm rotors and calipers can stop pretty damn fast. Hell its like a 13 inch rotor with a big ass piston in the caliper. And actually the drum brakes are a lot heavier than those disc I swapped on the rear. With just the axles (1 tons) alone you might add 500lbs to the total weight of the vehicle. The braking isn't a problem and you'll need a proportioning valve to keep the rears from locking up first. Also you gotta find a way around your stability control and ABS (could be as simple as a tune). But with added weight of the tires and the axles you're looking at a squirrel under the hood. But you don't need a bunch of power to crawl. So all in all the tow rating would increase because you no longer have weight on the rear shafts but instead on the hubs and you have more braking power.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:18 PM   #4085
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I job rate every customer that buys anything with a hitch. And it ain't just brakes. A minivan with your engine will pull more than 3X what your Jeep will. A lot of it has to do with the overall weight of your vehicle. GVWR plays a huge part. I'm just giving you the company line. And C/J/D/R has a rating for every vehicle we make.
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And I like a skinny Jeep Dammit!!! Lol
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:03 PM   #4087
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After all, it's got to haul my fat ass around. Lol
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I just hit the Fantasy 5 so i'm picking this up over the weekend! Corvette Powered Jeep, Tons, 40's,
















ok i lied i'm still broke and the bank laughed when i asked for the loan
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is there a run down on here of all the different models with goods/bads?

Edit: nevermind i just looked at the sub forums and they have nice little descriptions...lol
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is there a run down on here of all the different models with goods/bads?

Edit: nevermind i just looked at the sub forums and they have nice little descriptions...lol
Google is also a great tool. But some people do put out miss information out there
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Google is also a great tool. But some people do put out miss information out there
I love Google. I hate when co workers ask me questions. I tell them, "Google It!" Lol
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I just hit the Fantasy 5 so i'm picking this up over the weekend! Corvette Powered Jeep, Tons, 40's,

ok i lied i'm still broke and the bank laughed when i asked for the loan
I saw that a couple weeks ago and told Mike he should buy it for us He just gave me the normal eye roll and smirk that I get quite often
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We ain't building race cars, so adding unsprung weight isn't going to effect your "crawl-ability". And honestly if you added enough options to make your tow rating go down more than 50lbs and you're concerned about that.... Buy a dually. That is merely so you don't over load the brakes. Which my K5 with 3/4 ton gm rotors and calipers can stop pretty damn fast. Hell its like a 13 inch rotor with a big ass piston in the caliper. And actually the drum brakes are a lot heavier than those disc I swapped on the rear. With just the axles (1 tons) alone you might add 500lbs to the total weight of the vehicle. The braking isn't a problem and you'll need a proportioning valve to keep the rears from locking up first. Also you gotta find a way around your stability control and ABS (could be as simple as a tune). But with added weight of the tires and the axles you're looking at a squirrel under the hood. But you don't need a bunch of power to crawl. So all in all the tow rating would increase because you no longer have weight on the rear shafts but instead on the hubs and you have more braking power.
Stability control and abs??? whats that? hahahaha my last four vehicles haven't had either of those, Thank goodness!

and to say that you dont need power with all that weight, even just for crawling, ha! good luck getting up the first waterfall at calico! Gearing CANNOT make up for low power, Sorry. Not saying you have to have tons of hp or torque to crawl. But you have to have some guts under the hood.

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I job rate every customer that buys anything with a hitch. And it ain't just brakes. A minivan with your engine will pull more than 3X what your Jeep will. A lot of it has to do with the overall weight of your vehicle. GVWR plays a huge part. I'm just giving you the company line. And C/J/D/R has a rating for every vehicle we make.
Exactly!
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Stability control and abs??? whats that? hahahaha my last four vehicles haven't had either of those, Thank goodness!

and to say that you dont need power with all that weight, even just for crawling, ha! good luck getting up the first waterfall at calico! Gearing CANNOT make up for low power, Sorry. Not saying you have to have tons of hp or torque to crawl. But you have to have some guts under the hood.
The whole point of going with 1 tons is 38+ tires. Even though the 3.8 is under powered, the contact patch of those tires you won't need wheel speed for that. Plus with the 4:1 t-case he wont have a problem if he needs more torque to spin those tires. With smaller tires you do need wheel speed to climb those ledges. Remember that big run out there where the tail gunner had a rubi with a D44/D60 combo and at least 37s? He tried without the front locker and couldn't do it, but with the locker engaged he just climbed up it without spinning. Trying to compare wheeling with stock size tires to 37+ is an oranges to tuna fish type comparison lol.
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I like tuna fish. And you can tune a piano, but you can't tune a fish. I crack myself up. Lol
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My jeep will probably never tow anything besides maybe my Xr on a bike carrier, those things weren't meant to tow much more than a pop-up. Going to one tons will probably not affect a thing, it'll IMO improve it all the while increasing its ability to tow if I ever wanted it too; it just sucks its so gutless. Granted other things will need improvement as well but that's the name of the game, you have to pay to play. Besides it puts me in a place where I can wheel with good people at local spots without stressing and then be able to go to the hardest of trails and be more prepared to do them.

As far as gearing goes, it's everything, if you dont have the torque you gear it especially in crawling and you need look no further than Toyota pick-ups, four runners, and the infamous Suzuki Samurai because they are all gutless wonders. You can double stack t-cases on the toyotas, and they sell 6.5 to 1 t-case gears for the samurai's(boy do I wish they made those for jeeps) and you see those things running 37's and up all the time. Really that's why a used rubicon is such a good deal, that damn 4-1 t case is great and makes a huge difference, the 44's are great as well, but they do have their limits. I'm sure we all love some lean protein here and there, but eventually we'll need some vitamin c.
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All I know is this, I'm working. Selling cars, and making money. So if anybody wants a great deal, this is the biggest sales event of the year.
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All I know is this, I'm working. Selling cars, and making money. So if anybody wants a great deal, this is the biggest sales event of the year.
Go get em Rob!! If your stuck at work at least your making deals

Go see Rob, he's dealin to go wheelin!!!
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Go get em Rob!! If your stuck at work at least your making deals

Go see Rob, he's dealin to go wheelin!!!
Yeah, I feel like the auto pimp, the way we're whoring these things out. Practically giving them away. Lol
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Do it to it!!! Sell them thangs and make some money!!
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So, it seems I'm turning into the same kind of stubborn hard ass my Dad was. And I really don't mind. He was the smartest man I ever knew. I hope I turn out just like him. Lol
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Hope Y'all had a Great weekend. I just got home, and while I'm supposed to be off tomorrow, it's all hands on deck for the holiday. And I won't be off until next weekend. June 28, and Big Bear can't get here quick enough. G'night Y'all.
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Good news is I had an absolute blast at Calico. Bad news is it looks like I'm going to need to dump money into rear adjustable lowers to set my pinion...I'm getting some not so nice noise. I'll be talking to a local mechanic to get his opinion on it just to make sure I fix the problem. I was really hoping to spend this money on an engine skid for BB...so it looks like I might not be able to wheel the Jeep on anything too extreme that weekend.
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I think I can rule out my pinion angle. I really want to point fingers at my drive shaft or u-joints...I just did my u-joints a few months ago too bleh. At least I got my new O2 sensor in today.
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I think I can rule out my pinion angle. I really want to point fingers at my drive shaft or u-joints...I just did my u-joints a few months ago too bleh. At least I got my new O2 sensor in today.
Did you adjust your pinion angle and get a CV driveshaft when you lifted the Jeep? If not, then that's probably the problem.
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Damn, having the day off from work after a weekend of wheeling and camping is really nice; I can get used to this!
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Did you adjust your pinion angle and get a CV driveshaft when you lifted the Jeep? If not, then that's probably the problem.
No CV shaft, but I have my pinion angle set perfectly. It honestly sounds like my u-joints are going bad, which wouldn't make sense since I literally just replaced them. I'm going to take another look at it tomorrow with my drive lines guy.
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Damn, having the day off from work after a weekend of wheeling and camping is really nice; I can get used to this!
I get 5 days off in a row personally
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No CV shaft, but I have my pinion angle set perfectly. It honestly sounds like my u-joints are going bad, which wouldn't make sense since I literally just replaced them. I'm going to take another look at it tomorrow with my drive lines guy.
Get a CV DS. You need it.
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Get a CV DS. You need it.
It's definitely part of the plan. Have to save up the money to do it first. I'm going to try lowering my t-case a little more to see if it helps.

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