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Old 12-12-2012, 09:37 PM   #1
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Tuff Stuff Xtreme 12,500lb Waterproof Winch | TruckandWinch.com

What size load is best to have? Has anyone seen this brand? From the reviews I've seen no bad feed back... Let know what y'all think please.

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Old 12-12-2012, 10:09 PM   #2
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Is 12,500lbs too much? Is 8,000lbs to little?

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8,000 to 9,500 lbs. is pretty much the universally accepted range of good recommended winch capacities.
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The rule of thumb I learned is 2 times your vehicle weight.
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With me in it or with out. Makes a big difference.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:50 PM   #6
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Seriously it's going to depend on your budget. A lot of guys are going Engo. So far no big bad reviews and forum discount. Warn is at the other end of the cost swing. They just work. I'm going for a 9.5. I want the added load capacity. It gives a lower amp draw at the same weight than an 8000. Check out Warn factory outlet. They have the best prices on warn. If you get stuck, a tow out because of a winch failure is way more than the cost of the winch.
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As with any upgrade or mod; look at what you actually do with your Jeep, meaning how hard core you are and the terrain you expect to run. I have been doing everything but the Hammers for years and have rescued Many friends frontwards and backwards, up hill and sideways..and my 8000 lb winch hasn't failed me yet (knock on wood)

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Old 12-13-2012, 11:46 AM   #8
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An 8000 to 9000lbs is fine for ur needs...not to say that a 12000lbs is to big...and at that price I'd think long and hard about picking that big boy up...Then there's that old saying "u get what I pay for"...and everyone has there preference and rightly so...a lot of people sware by Warn a very good product ...but at a premium price tag...I myself buy Mile Marker and love them,been using them for over 20 years...I have them on everything..good product at a much more reasonable price...I also know lots of guys with the Smitty's and at the lower end of the price point have great things to say about them....
I guess it all comes down to how much ur willing to spend & how ur gonna use it ...
I'm sure whatever one u choose u'll be happy ....Its better to have one then to not one...
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I've been using the Harbor Freight winches for years without issues. I just ordered their 12k model for my new JK since they're on sale for $300. Their winches are made in the same factory as more expensive name brands, but you just don't have to pay for the name brand. I run a 10k HF winch on my '77 Ford and have never had any issues with it in many years, and I go by myself to a lot of places where I have to rely on the winch to get me out or I'm up a creek.

I was just having this conversation with my neighbor who's also a Jeep guy and both of us agree the bigger the better. It'll never hurt you to have too much capacity (as long as it's mounted correctly/securely!). The other thing every off-roader should always carry is a snatch block. It not only instantly doubles the weight rating of your winch, but it also allows you to winch at angles instead of just straight line pull.
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Personally, I try to keep the weight down on my Wrangler and have purposely limited my winch size to 9.5K lbs on both of them. Weight from armor, winches, tools, spare parts, etc. is an insidious thing and it can easily creep up to the point where our Jeeps can become overweight pigs on the trail. To me, there is no real advantage to a 12K lb. capacity winch... heck my 9.5K winch can drag my Jeep to Hell and back when winching a heavy truck. Even an 8K winch is more than enough, a 9.5K is just adding additional reserve capacity. I'd rather put the weight savings of my 9.5K vs. a 12K winch into something like better trail performance, spare parts, tools, etc.
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One thing to remember on going big is to watch the weight. Every pound you put on your front bumper is one more pound your tires have to lift climbing a sandy slippery rock. If you have say 1000 lbs of traction and your at 1001 your gonna slip.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:09 PM   #12
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Very good points! They also make a 9500lb unit. I agree cheap isn't always better! But with that said woknrox made a perfect point that its better to have something then nothing. I'm not too sure I'd use a winch all that often but in the case I need it I'd at least have one. Imma keep researching. I did see the harbor freight one but in my opinion buying stuff from there in the past has been crap. Heck, I shoulda just bought a Suzuki samari and call it a jeep. Lol. But thanks for all the input
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I bought my Warn 9500i 10 yrs ago and its NEVER let me down once. Thing is a brute. Theres the 8000 and theres the 10,000. Go somewhere in between and then add a lil.. 9500 works for me.
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The 10k winch i just bought is listed as the same weight as the 8k version. For a little extra $ figured it couldn't hurt.
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While we're talking about winches and which one to buy: Anyone have an opinion of winches you shouldn't buy?

Also, I am getting a Hi Lift jack for Christmas. A decent winch is not in the budget right now. I know winches are powered, but why else would a Warn get you out of a spot whereas a Hi Lift used as a winch won't?

I realize that to use the Hi lift as a winch, you need to also use a tree or something stationary.

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Hi-Lift's marketing department make it seem reasonable to use one as a winch. Yes it can be used as a winch. Is that something that is realistic? Only if you're in a life or death situation and you have the right additional equipment to make it work. That means a long length or two of rated (not Home Depot) chain or a 5/16" or better wire rope.

Straps will NOT work because they stretch past the point that the Hi-Lift can pull past. Even tow straps stretch more than the Hi-Lift can pull past and don't even consider using a snatch strap that is extra-stretchy.

And is the just over 3' a 48" Hi-Lift can pull really going to be enough or will that just get the vehicle almost but not completely over the obstacle where it will just roll back when you release the Hi-Lift?

A Hi-Lift may in some ideal circumstances be enough but in the situations I have used my winch in, I don't recall any that were so short that a Hi-Lift would have worked.

4WD & Sport Utility magazine tried using a Hi-Lift as a winch for one of their articles several years ago. Results were mixed and they pretty much summed it up by saying it was more work than expected and 'never again'.

My bottom line is don't carry a Hi-Lift with the thoughts you'll be able to use it as a winch. MAYBE you might be able to but the odds of it actually working well enough are slim.
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Hi-Lift's marketing department make it seem reasonable to use one as a winch. Yes it can be used as a winch. Is that something that is realistic? Only if you're in a life or death situation and you have the right additional equipment to make it work. That means a long length or two of rated (not Home Depot) chain or a 5/16" or better wire rope.

Straps will NOT work because they stretch past the point that the Hi-Lift can pull past. Even tow straps stretch more than the Hi-Lift can pull past and don't even consider using a snatch strap that is extra-stretchy.

And is the just over 3' a 48" Hi-Lift can pull really going to be enough or will that just get the vehicle almost but not completely over the obstacle where it will just roll back when you release the Hi-Lift?

A Hi-Lift may in some ideal circumstances be enough but in the situations I have used my winch in, I don't recall any that were so short that a Hi-Lift would have worked.

4WD & Sport Utility magazine tried using a Hi-Lift as a winch for one of their articles several years ago. Results were mixed and they pretty much summed it up by saying it was more work than expected and 'never again'.

My bottom line is don't carry a Hi-Lift with the thoughts you'll be able to use it as a winch. MAYBE you might be able to but the odds of it actually working well enough are slim.
Thanks for the info Jerry. I figured it was 'possible' but not practical. I don't see myself carrying a box of chains around when I wheel.

Definitely a good reason to try to have someone along that has a winch. I'll pick one up eventually.
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I keep a hi lift in my jeep at all times. Would/do I use it often. NO. They are dangerous. Once I had one get away from me while racheting it and the handle busted me in the orbital bone( skull, just above that hole where your eye goes) and I bled like a stuck pig. Wasnt even for my stuck but helping out a newb. Another time had it slip out while lifted.. They are dangerous. They are ok at best on flat ground when you gotta change a flat tire. On the trail how often are you on stable, even ground? NEVER. they are a judgement call every single time. Dont fool yourself thinking that you can do whatever on the trail and the jack will get you out. It wont. You get what you pay for. A 50 dollar jack or a 1100 dollar winch. I love my winch.
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Is there a specific brand of rollers anyone recommends to come off the back to reverse out? I don't really like to winches that come off the front and are mounted into a receiver hitch on both sides.

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