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Old 10-19-2013, 03:18 AM   #1
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Rant: Desert Wranglers (sorry, long read)

About 3 months ago, I bought my first Wrangler (03 tj). Growing up, I've always have been into hot rods, muscle cars, and pony cars, so I've always have belonged in a car club. Here in Las Vegas, I've belonged in SNMA and Silver State Stangs, since I've had multiple mustangs while living here. I loved being involved in both clubs, hanging out with like minded people, and restoring or modding a lot of mustangs. I've made a lot of life long friends in these clubs and they have been an amazing impact in my life. Well, things have changed, people grow up, and now I have a family with 2 amazing daughters (2 and 5) with my wonderful wife. The mustang was sold, an suv replaced it along with a 4 door sedan. Fast forward to about 5 months ago....the cars have been paid off, so talking to the wife, we decide to start looking for a jeep (I'm an avid shooter and taking the sedan out in the desert is no fun). Well, I find the "perfect" jeep for me and we purchase it. Then the mods start (AWESOME!!!). After the mods start, I start looking out for jeep clubs. So, I'm searching on the web, and find Desert Wranglers. I start checking out their club, location and what not and notice they're in Henderson and close to where I live, so I apply on their Meetup site, get accepted, get a decal and free t-shirt and I'm stoked. My wife is happy for me, since I have very little "me time" to meet like minded people and I'm super excited to belong to another "car club". About 3 weeks ago, I see on their site that there's an offroad trip on Potosi pass and I immediately apply to be put on their stand by list as the RSVP list is filled. A week later, they decide to add a second group and I'm included!!! Holy Crap, I rush home and tell my wife that I got accepted!!! I begin researching Potosi pass and realize it's close to an area where I go shooting. So, I add a comment on the Potosi pass run inviting any members to go shooting with me after the run, thinking "hey, this will be great, wheeling with other Jeep owners, then going out and blowing stuff up afterwards." Well, everything is going good, I get my Jeep all ready, everything packed, extra guns, extra ammo (incase someone wants to join up and doesn't have a gun), and all of a sudden, I get an E-mail from one of the organizers:

Gary ***that's my name***

We as a club normally follow rules, and unless there is a actual Gun Range either public or private in the Sloan area, then there is a problem in asking folks to do something like that as it could reflect on the club as a whole. If you're shooting at a legally operated gun range, then that's a different story. Remember the club goes to the Pro Gun Club range in Boulder City at the end of every month if you are looking to go target shooting.


HOLY CRAP!!!! What did I do....I'm completely devastated...What did I do wrong, am I going to get kicked out of the club....Wow, I did not mean to get anyone upset. Wait...what rule did I break????

I start checking all clark county, blm, state of nevada and Desert Wrangler laws. I didn't break any rules or laws....Still, I didn't want to create any problems or rifts in the club, so I respond to his email with.

Sorry, I was unaware of that. I do realize that the club does go to the Pro gun club every month as I am a member of the Pro gun club. Unfortunately I got to church on Sundays and am unable to attend the meeting. I was just planning to go afterwards on public land where it is perfectly legal to shoot weapons. I apologize, it will never happen again.


"Ok, everything should be ok, I haven't responded back to anyone with questions about the outing after the offroad trip, no harm, no foul."

Last Saturday approaches, I'm at the truck stop with other Jeepers and we're ready to go. We make a stop, and I'm talking to the couple behind me on the voyage and bring up how I got in a little bit of trouble w/ the invite. I immediately get a response with "Oh...you're that guy...we heard about you".

Needless to say, I don't think this club is a good fit for me, as I am apparently a hell raising criminal...soooooo, I'll be searching for a new offroad/Jeep club that is more my speed.

Thanks...rant over....sorry about the long read, it's just been eating at me for the past week.

Also, does anyone belong to another Jeep club here in town and if so, can you send me their info?

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Hey Rockey, as long as you know what you were planning was legal, I would say it is their loss. They sound a bit uptight to me and I would be looking for a different club as well. Hope you find good wheeling buddies.

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That's the problem with clubs. I have been doing the Harley thing for years, this is our first Jeep. What I have figured out is to try and preserve the our desert and stay on trails. As far as the laws you weren't breaking go have some fun. A couple if us planned a run on here and then went shooting afterwards. Perfect way to end a day wheelin.
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Though I live in Pahrump and have have absolutely no knowledge of the Desert Wranglers, I'll stick up for the email (and only the email) you got from them for the following reason. Public perception. You rightfully feel that shooting on public lands is OK. Not everybody agrees with you. Some folks see a group of vehicles or ATVs out in the desert or in the mountains and think only resource destruction. They have seen the pictures in the media of 4x4s and ATVs tearin' it up, and if you have wheeled much you have too. It only takes a very few bad apples to ruin it for the many. I've had hikers throw rocks at our Jeep trips on numbered US Forest Service roads in Colorado before, because they decided we were destroying the environment just by being there.

You mention "then going out and blowing stuff up afterwards", and I'm pretty sure that's what the email is speaking to without actually saying so. Where ever I've been on public lands that is commonly used as a shooting area, the pieces of "blown up stuff" is everywhere. Brass left all over the place, shredded target backboards, busted glass, and riddled cans. Unfortunately, it seems many shooters don't mind trashing an area, and the general public has no trouble seeing public land shooters as irresponsible, much the way off road enthusiasts are often viewed... whether their viewpoint is warranted by experience or not.

Here in Pahrump, there are folks that believe our club is bunch of renegades cruising the desert in search of things to tear up. I've heard stories about the BLM chasing a club member in the past (I have no idea if it is true or not but I doubt it), and having the club sticker on my Jeep has gotten me a couple of comments thrown in my direction about how 4 wheelers tear up the desert.

I'm sure the Desert Wranglers are only trying to protect their clubs reputation. It takes nothing to ruin it within the community.

Now the part about "Oh...you're that guy...we heard about you"... that just plain sucks.
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Actually, I never mentioned "blowing stuff up" when I sent out the comment (I was just paraphrasing) This is the exact comment I sent out:

Hey all,
Since we're all heading back down the 15, I was planning to take a few of my firearms and stopping off in Sloan for some target shooting. So, if anyone wants to join in, you're more than welcome.

With the same reasoning Off Pavement, then wouldn't it also be "against rules" for offroading since some people feel offroading is tearing up public land? I agree, though, there are a lot of knuckleheads that live in the valley that don't clean up their messes when they go on public land leaving the area trashed. I myself always clean up and take my brass with me (especially since my ammo is very expensive i.e. 500 S&W magnum). I was just trying to meet new people and reach out to some that may only get a couple of days a month to go out and have some fun like myself. Oh well, maybe one of these weekends, I'll get a chance to meet y'all and do some wheelin and shootin...and maybe blow stuff up..lol
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Whaaaatt?? Really? It's not CA, go out shoot stuff up (take your trash etc. with you) and have some fun. That's what the desert is for.
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It's a really big club with the best interest of the dealer sponsor always in the backround. With that said, I've had fun and met some great people through the club. There are a lot of people who come and go. I haven't had time to go to meetings or runs with them recently.
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You can come wheeling with us any time. There is a small group of us, including two that have already responded to your post and myself, who feel the same as you. Keep an eye out for runs that we do we always post on here. In fact there is a run to California at the calico ghost town in November if you'd like to come along. Let me know.
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You can come wheeling with us any time. There is a small group of us, including two that have already responded to your post and myself, who feel the same as you. Keep an eye out for runs that we do we always post on here. In fact there is a run to California at the calico ghost town in November if you'd like to come along. Let me know.
That would be awesome. Cant make the california run, but was thinking next saturday the 26th, maybe Lovell Canyon?
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Actually, I might go to Calico for one day. I just found out my best friend from high school might be there too (we havent hung out in almost 20 years...damn I feel old..lol
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I am up in the NW but love to hit trails and am an avid hunter. If you are ever in this part just let me know. I leave my son at home but he is only going on 4 months old lol. I was out for the whole weekend when upland started. First time out in about 6 months.
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And don't feel bad I had a similar experience.
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Yeah I think most of the jeepers on this website share your opinions..

On a side note i'd love to get out soon and do some wheeling and shooting. I just picked up a new xdm 9mm that I would love to get some range time with?
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Yeah I think most of the jeepers on this website share your opinions..

On a side note i'd love to get out soon and do some wheeling and shooting. I just picked up a new xdm 9mm that I would love to get some range time with?
Well, lets go Saturday. Theres nelson, lovell canyon or Sloan.
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I'd be up for a Saturday run, if you don't mind a non-shooter tagging along. Haven't had my pistol out since the kids were born 19 years ago, so it is in a little need of a once over before I would be cool with loading it with live rounds. Let me know!
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Post up the meet I could be in also.
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Cool, where should we go?
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Lovell Canyon First and then Rocky gap after the shooters get it out of their system. What's everyone think?
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Not all but a lot of clubs I've found are very cliquish. It's like going to high school all over again. I say attend a few more meets and if you are still getting a bad vibe then call it quits.
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So far I have had a good time with DW. They have grown in size and now have to limit the trios to keep from obtaining permits.

Have wheeled the day trips with as many as 38 Jeeps. Well organized and planned trips that get you home at a decent time with some great history if the area. The camping trips are really good some great locations some challenging 4 wheeling.

As far as politics or cliques not my style but was always accepted into the group without issue. I drive an 89 YJ which is not an issue.

They have a lot at stake and try to make sure nothing done in a club sponsored trip can be questionable you know how will it read in the front page.

They stick to the charter in their web page. I have had a great time and continue to go to meetings and trips. Met some great folks and always had fun.

My RANT

So now let's go wheeling post the meet up info for Saturday Lovell then Ricky GAO is great trip.
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To the OP, thanks for sharing your experience. I recently joined DW and have looked very much forward to my first run with them. Aside from connecting with other jeepers, the main reason for joining was the fact that they stick mainly to trails that can be handled by my bone-stock JK Unlimited. It is my daily driver, so I don't have the luxury of banging it up too hard out on the trails.
It is a large group, and I'm sure there are plenty of folks in the club that don't care for the "politics" associated with most clubs. I hope you reconsider and try another run.
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Thanks for posting this. Always good to see another point of view. I just bought my 2014 Rubi and have joined DW as well. Haven't been on a run yet as I've been too busy moding up my Rubi. I'll probably do something with them in November and see how it goes.
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Just came across this thread and figured I might as well throw my 2 cents into the jar. Obviously there are several Jeep Clubs in town that ANYONE can be a member of. The Desert Wranglers is more of a laid back, scenic trail going group that is VERY FAMILY ORIENTED atmosphere. I am the Internet Sales Manager @ Chapman Jeep in HENDERSON and am an avid shooter and collector of firearms. I also try to go out and go on 1-2 Jeep runs per month, either Co-Workers or friends from my church.
I have yet to go out with the Desert Wrangler as I generally do more aggresive trails but I have worked @ Chapman Jeep for 8 years now. I assure you that the Club just wants to protect their members and their children, along with keeping a good reputation with BLM, other clubs, tree hugging hippies, etc (hard to please everyone). Give them another SHOT.. PUN INTENDED... LOL... If you like scenic trails and little to no body damage this is the club for you...
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I joined when I got my new Jeep and went on one ride with them. I did not enjoy driving in single file slow behind one another on a dirt road I can drive a BMW down. They even stopped and aired down their tires of about 5-10 miles of dirt road. Not for me. I go riding with some friends and find it a lot better. Hope to join some of the rides here when I get some time.
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We passed a toyota camry on the "trail" we were on...no joke.
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We passed a toyota camry on the "trail" we were on...no joke.
I'll get concerned when a Camry passes the Club.

...joke.
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Glad I found this thread, I have been out of the Jeepin world for a couple of years since I moved from Reno to Vegas and sold my Rubi LJ and more into the Harley club scene. Was a member of Reno4x4 for a few years, and met a lot of great people to wheel with and we went straight up rock crawling. Anything a car could travel on was considered on road and airing down tires was for off road not trail riding.

Anyways, picked up a bone stock TJ few months back and thinking of getting into mild wheeling to explore the area. I put in a request on meetup.com to be added to DW and was a bit perturbed by they require me to provide email, cell, and personal address to join the club. That it is sponsored by the dealer and no privacy act or personal information disclosure documents are required is a huge red flag to me. Maybe paranoid, but I don't like people I have never met having all of my info. I have had club organizers in the past thinking they had any right of any kind to tell me anything other than rules of the club or organized run. My experience as an ex firefighter and ex Sergeant in the Cavalry generally makes conversation with those kind of folks digress to some pretty foul language anyways.

Definitely not into the PC G rated forest service trail universal studios adventure scene.

Actually I really do not like even being involved in family outing groups unless everyone in the family is of drinking age and isn't offended that there are guns along and when the breaker bar or socket wrench snaps an extremely diverse and colorful demonstration of the use of foul language ensues.

Anyone that understands all that let me know, would like to check out the area and even if my stocker has to stick to the bypasses I am well experienced in recovery.
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You might want to check out the warmachines site. Word is they like to hit hard trails and aren't afraid to break shit.

I like to sight see and a long dirt road through the mountains can be fun for me. With that said, the DW trips have gotten really big.
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Mopar Man pretty much explained the DW to a tee. They are dealing with a very large group of weekend off-roaders and weekday soccer mom's. Not a bad bunch of people though, just not for everybody. I was chastised because on a recent trip near Beatty, my wife and I wanted to go up the night before and camp at one of the hot springs in the area. I posted that in the comments, and asked if anyone else wanted to join us. I was told that we were free to do that and meet up with the group up there (with prior coordination with the organizer), but not to send out an invite because they don't want to have to round up Jeepers from all over the place. Fair enough, no biggie to me. Your club, your rules.

In truth, I joined the DW for selfish reasons. They are sponsored by the dealer who services my Jeep. I thought it would be good to get to know their service dept managers outside of the service dept atmosphere. Couldn't hurt in case there is a warranty issue that could be questionable. Plus we get a discount.

We'll continue to go on outings with them, and a few camping trips. We do have fun. And if we want to go on trips with other groups, we're free to do that also. It's not like we can only join one group...

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