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Old 04-18-2013, 06:10 PM   #7261
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And its fairly widely accepted that waggy springs are the shit.

Has anyone had issues with their springs other than me? Mine was already bent when i got it plus i beleive it went thru a fire as the plastic bushings between the leafs are melted on that spring. Heat on a heat treated spring makes it not retain its spring(it will bend instead of spring back)

Aside from that when you have as much flex as we do with these springs they become a consumable part. No leaf spring is made to be pushed as far as we push these things. I expect a year to two year spring life. I have 14" of spring travel. No leaf spring is made to move that much.

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:28 PM   #7262
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I've never had an issue with mine, I love the wheel base stretch, suspension travel, price, etc.. and I would never buy aftermarket unless I straight up needed springs and couldn't find any at the junkyard

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:36 PM   #7263
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I've never had an issue with mine, I love the wheel base stretch, suspension travel, price, etc.. and I would never buy aftermarket unless I straight up needed springs and couldn't find any at the junkyard
Thats the boat im in right now.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:20 PM   #7264
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The thing is though every design out there puts the leaf springs in a bind. It may not be noticeable as far as feeling it, but it's there. Without a shackle on both ends of a leaf spring there is no way to correctly mimic the axle arc path as it cycles.

You just pick what you like and run it.
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There are some designs that wont bind. And actually they're perfect for the 9" as its not a cast housing. You key off the diff and the center of the skid plate
I think maybe you would understand how every type of axle-wrap preventer binds on a leaf sprung setup if you ever took the time to watch exactly how the axle travels. I've done this and it was an eye opener for me. I put my rig on a lift and let the axle droop out from under it. Using an arm that was locked onto the axle I was able to draw the arc. All the fancy little drawings that you may have seen online are at the very least misleading. I can try to explain it but I think most people would have to see it for themselves to understand.

And again I'm not saying the bind will be significant. But I guarantee you they all will bind.

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They are $13 a spring at the local JY so after market isnt a better deal at all lol

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Ah I see. $13 is cheap as heck! I thought I saw a couple posts where guys were talking $80-100.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:38 PM   #7265
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Think you can get them new for about a hundred each. If ya had to buy from a normal yard they would be about $60.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:04 PM   #7266
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I think maybe you would understand how every type of axle-wrap preventer binds on a leaf sprung setup if you ever took the time to watch exactly how the axle travels. I've done this and it was an eye opener for me. I put my rig on a lift and let the axle droop out from under it. Using an arm that was locked onto the axle I was able to draw the arc. All the fancy little drawings that you may have seen online are at the very least misleading. I can try to explain it but I think most people would have to see it for themselves to understand.

And again I'm not saying the bind will be significant. But I guarantee you they all will bind.

Ah I see. $13 is cheap as heck! I thought I saw a couple posts where guys were talking $80-100.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:39 AM   #7268
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No it was pretty funny.....I laughed.


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If you're not busy one of these nights or weekends I can show you. I've tried posting pictures and explaining, but not many get it. I could just be giving a subpar explanation though.

The gist of it is this. As the axle droops out it comes forward and down.

With a ladder bar the axle mount and the end of the bar form a triangle. This locks the far end of the bar into following the same path the axle travels. In my case when I copied the arc path the end of the bar went down about 3.5" and forward .75". Now take a minute to picture a ladderbar and it's shackle. The shackle can't do what the bar just did. They do stop axle wrap though.

In a traction bar setup the bar will try to push forward on the mount stopping axle wrap. But a fixed length bar attached to a fixed point where the axle center to spring eye is constantly changing will definitely induce bind. The bar will either be too long or too short at everywhere but ride height.

My chains are not any better, they don't do anything in reverse and they do start to bind at full droop. But I like the edge they have in ground clearance being that they are above the leafs.

I'm not saying whatever you choose won't work. Cause I've seen all types work. My point is they will all bind some.

Just something to think about. The conventional leaf spring setup we are talking about have a fixed spring eye at one end and a shackle at the other. The distance between the spring eye and the axle gets longer as the spring is compressed and shorter as the tension is removed. The other thing to remember is that if you extend a line across the top of the spring perch it will extend to different points throughout the springs travel.

Now if you put a shackle at both ends you should be able to use a ladder bar or traction bar setup that won't bind the springs at all. But at that point you might as well be 4 linking it.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:14 PM   #7269
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Already got tracking info on my true hi9. Holy crap they are fast. Scheduled delivery is the 24th.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:10 PM   #7272
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I got a killer deal on some adjustable ride height and dampening h&r coilovers

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Ok so why does the setup i am running bind then? Mine is hard mounted to axle. Its a tube inside of a tube that has the freedom to move in and out virtually as much as it wants. Also it has the freedom to spin as much as it wants. Then it pivots at the front attachment. I dont think i have a pic.
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I got a killer deal on some adjustable ride height and dampening h&r coilovers
Those look a little small for the jeep
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Ok so why does the setup i am running bind then? Mine is hard mounted to axle. Its a tube inside of a tube that has the freedom to move in and out virtually as much as it wants. Also it has the freedom to spin as much as it wants. Then it pivots at the front attachment. I dont think i have a pic.
Does it mount to the axle and the frame at one point on each end?

Edit: Oops re-read that. Yours will bind because of the hard mount at the axle. The way the leaf spring works it can't always be pointing at the frame mount that is perfectly inline with your hard mounted bar. Yes I understand your bar can twist and stretch. But it can't change the location of it's front mount.

Like I said earlier leaf springs as they extend or compress change the axle relationship to the frame (rotation wise). The axle rotates up under compression. And down when drooped out.

I'm not just talking smack here guys. Or talking crap about whatever type of anti-wrap setup you're running.

They all can work. But just because you can't feel the spring binding doesn't mean it isn't. I consider anything that hinders the spring from moving in it's natural arc bind. And as I've explained all of these do change the way the spring moves. That's just how a leaf spring works by design.

It just kinda gets to me a little when I see guys posting that someone has designed and installed their own type of traction aid and someone calls them on it saying that it will bind and that there is a better way. There isn't a better way, just different ways. That may work better for that particular use.
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Those look a little small for the jeep
Yeah they're for the db8
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Yeah they're for the db8
Dead babies: 8?
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Well that might fit my little jeep lol
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:59 PM   #7281
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No not at all lol
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I have an inch till I am on the bump stops lol I think so lol
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You wouldnt wanna run them though, they're for a car
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Does it mount to the axle and the frame at one point on each end?

Edit: Oops re-read that. Yours will bind because of the hard mount at the axle. The way the leaf spring works it can't always be pointing at the frame mount that is perfectly inline with your hard mounted bar. Yes I understand your bar can twist and stretch. But it can't change the location of it's front mount.

Like I said earlier leaf springs as they extend or compress change the axle relationship to the frame (rotation wise). The axle rotates up under compression. And down when drooped out.

I'm not just talking smack here guys. Or talking crap about whatever type of anti-wrap setup you're running.

They all can work. But just because you can't feel the spring binding doesn't mean it isn't. I consider anything that hinders the spring from moving in it's natural arc bind. And as I've explained all of these do change the way the spring moves. That's just how a leaf spring works by design.

It just kinda gets to me a little when I see guys posting that someone has designed and installed their own type of traction aid and someone calls them on it saying that it will bind and that there is a better way. There isn't a better way, just different ways. That may work better for that particular use.
Thats exactly what i have expected. I know it isnt without its faults. It does work well and other than it not fully compressing, my rear axle moves quite well with no detectable binding. I do suspect its my wrap bar thats causing that also as the fixed end is too long.
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Yep the thing with all of them is getting the length and location of the mounts right.
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Might go to 9 mile tomorrow in my pickup. Guy from another forum I'm on was going with some of his buddies around noon. Anyone else feel up to it?

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