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Old 04-17-2011, 09:49 AM   #1651
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Hmm, since I didn't win the 9.5xp last night I may have to look into these.

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Old 04-17-2011, 12:45 PM   #1653
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Wow that's a great deal! Wish I had the money to pick one up, I had a deal where I could of gotten a M8000 for 300 from central through a guy that they sponsor that my dad works with, should of jumped on that too! Da** you money!
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Old 04-17-2011, 03:33 PM   #1654
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I like how they try and bash you on buying a product made in Mexico. You bought warn stuff, which is made in Mexico.... I guess they don't like to read full posts or doing research before bringing out the flame throwers.
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I like how they try and bash you on buying a product made in Mexico. You bought warn stuff, which is made in Mexico.... I guess they don't like to read full posts or doing research before bringing out the flame throwers.
Assembled in the USA but even the guy that is Warn here states parts come from everywhere and assembled in Oregon. So seriously they are not made in the US.
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Old 04-17-2011, 06:55 PM   #1656
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Indeed. I'd get a warn winch if I won the lotto and had money to waste for a name.
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Old 04-17-2011, 11:37 PM   #1657
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Finally home! its good to be back.. saw far too many jeeps down there lol
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Indeed. I'd get a warn winch if I won the lotto and had money to waste for a name.
It's not just a name. You get a quality product. Or you could just get a schittybuilt and break it. Your choice. Plus in a resale situation a name brand winch is going to hold it's value better than a generic counterpart.
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John poses a good point. If you two are so confident in Warn's lack of quality perhaps you'd like to share a better alternative? I love having options after all.
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John poses a good point. If you two are so confident in Warn's lack of quality perhaps you'd like to share a better alternative? I love having options after all.
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Its not lack of quality but the claim to being made in the USA when it isnt. Made and assembled is 2 different things.
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i have got a Sh!ttybilt, had it since December. I'm on my 3rd solonoid and second motor. Now the clutch lever is stuck and all rusty.

I wish that I had bought a warn, even though its made all over the world and assembled in Oregon. Its gotta be better than made and assembled in China.

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i have got a Sh!ttybilt, had it since December. I'm on my 3rd solonoid and second motor. Now the clutch lever is stuck and all rusty.

I wish that I had bought a warn, even though its made all over the world and assembled in Oregon. Its gotta be better than made and assembled in China.

DON'T WASTE YOUR HARD EARNED AMERICAN DOLLARS ON SH!TTYBILT!
Lance, I love your excessive use of the smoking emoticon. Haha keepin it real. Where were you Friday night?
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:41 AM   #1665
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Ok so I'm a little confused here. Is it that the winch needs to be of high quality or that it just has to be American made? Because from what I understand and have heard/read in reviews is that Warn, Superwinch, and Ramsey are all good winches, but Warn is now only assembled in America, Superwinch is Chinese made, and Ramsey is American made.
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"Made in America" Doesn't mean what it once did. I am all for making stuff here because we need to boost out GPD and it supports local jobs, etc.....But the fact is that there is a lot of $hitty things made in America too.

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"Made in America" Doesn't mean what it once did. I am all for making stuff here because we need to boost out GPD and it supports local jobs, etc.....But the fact is that there is a lot of $hitty things made in America too.

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Agreed, just because something was made in america doesn't mean its the best quality ever.. Also we should be focusing on our own economy.. Unfortunately our government makes the easy decisions for big businesses, when its cheaper to outsource labor and parts because of taxes thats a no brainer. If it costs more money to have something made in another country and shipped to the US than it would to manufacture it all here.. thats saying a lot IMO. It will take a lot more than a few people insisting on buying American made goods to bring about a big change.
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All I'm saying is warns quality isn't what it used to be. While they make a superior product to smittybuilt and harbor freight, they are not on par for what they charge. America is supposed to be a free market, so buy whatever you want. I wont buy a warn cause it's not worth the money IMO. If you think assembled in America is "supporting the economy" and "creating jobs" and think it makes it worth spending $1500 on a winch that at most should be $800, go right on ahead. I myself refuse to support mediocrity.
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All I'm saying is warns quality isn't what it used to be. While they make a superior product to smittybuilt and harbor freight, they are not on par for what they charge. America is supposed to be a free market, so buy whatever you want. I wont buy a warn cause it's not worth the money IMO. If you think assembled in America is "supporting the economy" and "creating jobs" and think it makes it worth spending $1500 on a winch that at most should be $800, go right on ahead. I myself refuse to support mediocrity.
Wait, what? I thought the whole point of this debacle was Ted's initial post of Warn's new economy series that is starting at around $400. That doesn't sound like you're "paying for a name" to me.
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No it is for all Warn products. I recently bought new Warn Bumpers and tire Carrier with a brush guard. Have to have the special made winch plate before I can use the brush guard. Anyways all were made in Mexico. When I talked to Warn I was told they are made only in the USA. I also had the M12000 winch that is one of the premium series and the motor was stamped 'Made in Brazil".
Been told I'm wrong, I'm a liar, Warn is made in Oregon, So why stamped made in Brazil ?
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To be honest I don't really think it matters anymore. The fuel you buy to push that winch through the air wasn't made in America and you will spend FAR more per year in fuel than you will on one winch that you will own for several years. Buying American meant something during the Cold War but its a one world economy now. Being assembled in the US (Warn)does create jobs. It might not create as many as if the parts were made in the US but if you think about it I doubt that any of these mfgs products are 100% made in America. There are too many variables: steel, copper, aluminum, plastic, resin(to coat motor windings), transistors, capacitors, resistors, switches, chemicals, coatings, etc... I guarantee not all of that came from or was made in the US. And to that end I say buy what you think is the best quality in your price range.
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Well, in the end as long as it's a quality product I'm not going to split hairs over it. I also have the front and rear Warn rock bumpers as well as their rock sliders. Granted I know all they are is plate steel, but they are still well made and have more than lived up to what I expected them to do. Their winches could be made on the moon for all I care as long as they are built to the same standard.
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Outsourcing to the moon is only a few years away lol
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Well, in the end as long as it's a quality product I'm not going to split hairs over it. I also have the front and rear Warn rock bumpers as well as their rock sliders. Granted I know all they are is plate steel, but they are still well made and have more than lived up to what I expected them to do. Their winches could be made on the moon for all I care as long as they are built to the same standard.
Haha, I wish my winch was made on the moon! I would actually rather have steel forged in a different country, because the technology in most US steel mills is outdated compared to the rest of the world.
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Outsourcing to the moon is only a few years away lol
Probably using illegal Martian labor, sadly.
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It will open a whole new can of worms.. Instead of human rights we will have to come up with planetary being rights and end up prosecuting violators of those rights.. moon manufacturing will end and we'll be forced to clean up the aftermath, costing even more tax payers money..
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Of course........all of my Jeep parts come in the day after we are supposed to work on it
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I like how a simple winch comment turned into a heated seemingly political debate.
I for one like the fact that warn released a less expensive winch. Now us lower ranking military guys can afford them
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I like how a simple winch comment turned into a heated seemingly political debate.
I for one like the fact that warn released a less expensive winch. Now us lower ranking military guys can afford them
And us lower ranking non military guys too! In all reality everything is going to break down eventually and proper care and maintenance will play a huge part in that, I've lost my train of thought on this I'm going to buy a warn winch, not because it's "made" in the USA, but because they have a very good history of making a good product, I would also consider superwinch and Ramsey because they have the same type of reputation.
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I'll keep my ever so dependable Warn Xd9000i and as far as the made in america you may start to hunt around stamped parts on your jeep and see how much is made somewhere else and then just like Warn assembled in America. And if you're so inclined to think the older jeeps are made 100% in America, where has the steel been coming from for years now that makes the frame, springs etc? Not America, just saying. Coyote said it, one world economy. And we should all be happy about that because it does reduce costs to the consumer. If you want a lesson on Econ let me know, that was my major in college

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