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Old 12-21-2007, 09:54 PM   #1
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A question about censorship...

On another board I visit (yes I have other hobbies onther than the Jeep) the owner of the website is using a word "filter" to stop certian words. Cuss words mainly but also religious words.

A hugely debated discussion is taking place because one of the words filtered is "Christ". The site owner finally chimed in and sid he was filter all words relating to scripture. When asked if he was "filtering" words of other religions other than Christianity he said no that only Christianity is the problem.

I say this is censorship since it isn't an across the board ban of all religious words such as Koran/quaron, satan, pagan..etc..you get the idea.

So I ask, and it is asking because I don't know or am not sure, is that censorship?

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Old 12-21-2007, 09:57 PM   #2
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HMMMMM seems like I read in a BOOK somewhere that this would happen someday.

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Old 12-21-2007, 09:57 PM   #3
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IMO, yes.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:05 PM   #4
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EHEM!!! Right! Nothing to see here! Move along!
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:28 PM   #5
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In a mmo I used to play, you couldn't say Merry Christmas at all. But you could say God damn it all to hell! Bit ironic if you ask me...There are so many words in our Lexicon now that have to do with "religion" but no one blinks an eye at those. Even Atheists say GOD at one point or another.
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That's not censorship. You can go anywhere else and say those words all you like. It's a code of conduct on a private board.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:33 PM   #7
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Muslims dont hit their thumb with a hammer and say OH MOHAMMAD! Though.
Does sound a bit nazi for my liking though, I wouldnt stick around on that forum
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:49 PM   #8
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Well my view on censorship is that if is allowed to no one will ever know exactly and thereforeis what we need.

And thats all I have to say about that!
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In a literal sense it is censorship but there is no right to free speech on a privately owned and operated message board. They can institute any rules they wish and you are free to participate or not as you wish.
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Old 12-21-2007, 11:38 PM   #11
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Seems to me that people who censor have something to be afraid of.

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they have a right to censor just as you have a right to move along.
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O.K. I know I don't have to play in that sandbox if I don't want to. I've been on the internet since Al Gore invented it and know I can go elsewhere...and have done so in the past. That's not the issue.

The past few hours I have been searching the Federal Case laws on censorship. As a few have pointed out the laws protecting us from censorship is the protection against a governmental agency and not from an individual.

Where I get confused is that I have to operate under that since I am a Deputy and therefor a representative of the government (and I am here to help). Sometimes I forget to transform into Joe Citizen.
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The "sandbox" was full of cats, yesterday! (BTW, thank you for your service)

I have a problem with the Civic Government telling private business owners what they can or cannot do. If the business owner wants to "censor" that just means, if ya don't like it, go somewhere else. It is not the business of the Government, to tell business owners, what they can and cannot do, excepting, of course, illegal activities.

Businesses should be allowed to drive their customers off if they want to.


BTW, the @#$)(*&^ cities that banned smoking in bars, have lost all of my business!
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The "sandbox" was full of cats, yesterday! (BTW, thank you for your service)

I have a problem with the Civic Government telling private business owners what they can or cannot do. If the business owner wants to "censor" that just means, if ya don't like it, go somewhere else. It is not the business of the Government, to tell business owners, what they can and cannot do, excepting, of course, illegal activities.

Businesses should be allowed to drive their customers off if they want to.


BTW, the @#$)(*&^ cities that banned smoking in bars, have lost all of my business!
Oh man, you would LOVE it in Toledo! They have not only passed a smoking ban, they are now getting ready to institute a law which requires all convenience store owners to install a certain type of video surveillance equipment as part of the renewal of their biz license AND the store operator will be legally responsible (criminal charges are mandated if they fail to) for not only monitoring but intervening in any illegal activity captured by the system!
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O.K. I know I don't have to play in that sandbox if I don't want to. I've been on the internet since Al Gore invented it and know I can go elsewhere...and have done so in the past. That's not the issue.

The past few hours I have been searching the Federal Case laws on censorship. As a few have pointed out the laws protecting us from censorship is the protection against a governmental agency and not from an individual.

Where I get confused is that I have to operate under that since I am a Deputy and therefor a representative of the government (and I am here to help). Sometimes I forget to transform into Joe Citizen.
The other thing to keep in mind is that it crosses the line when someone starts telling you what you are allowed to think or not. They can prohibit all the words they want, and if you and I decided that the banned word "Christ" is equal to "purple-umaplus", they can decide to let it go or decide that you are a subversive and ban you... If there is some of your own money involved, then you MIGHT have a case, but I doubt it. Time to walk away from some cowardly intolerant fools.
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woody k, I find it rather disturbing that a country that was founded on the premise of, "In God we trust", has done everything in its power to dis pan that notion. We wander why our country is getting so out of control, and yet the answer is so simple. I heard on the radio, that a town in Colorado, wanted to ban the Nativity seen from it's town, along with colored Christmas lights. They lost their case, yet it amazes me of the blatant attempt our society has of late, to ban everything, that has anything to do with Christ, or God. Are we paving the way to have the Muslims live over here, and feel comfortable? What is up with that?

I realize that there are those that don't believe in God, etc. But why should a country that was founded on this believe, cower from those that do not believe. There is no other country, that is as strong and prosperous, as we are. There is a reason for that. It is an age old promise. Ok, enough of my opinion........
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Ok, I have to say this because I think there's another point of view. Perhaps the words have been banned because someone is using "the lord's name in vain" and people of a certain religious sect are getting their panties in a bunch over said use. Perhaps he's banning the words so that those people don't get ticked and leave the his board.
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:00 PM   #19
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No Tiny. He's Jewish and doesn't like references to Jesus, God and Christ. However Allah, Bhudda Mohammad are all acceptable.
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Being Jewish doesn't normally rule out the word "God". Jesus Christ and Goddamned are two of the most widely used curse words that Christians and many others find offensive. Allah, Bhudda, and Mohammad have yet to make their way into the depths of cursing in the way christian words for the same thing have.

If it is because he's Jewish (which I reserve judgment as I've not seen the board) he's got every right to filter out words he doesn't like. Hell I'd filter out common mispellings because they drive my nuts.

Plus, most of us avoid religion as a topic, could it be that the Christians on the board are the most militant about pushing their beliefs?

Oh and don't forget Yahweh and Ganesh.
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Any filtering of speech that does not affect national security or civilian safety is Unconstitutional IMO. I deal with PC on a daily basis and it is totally out of control. I actually find it a bit childish in some ways and it reminds me of the kids in the back seat screaming at each other to "stop looking at me!!"

Everyone should read the book 1984 by George Orwell. It may open a few eyes at the path our world is traveling down.

The first step to taking down a population is to get rid of its belief system.
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Unconstitutional? The United States does not own the internet.
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Just take solace in the fact that the person who does not believe the way you do WILL burn in hell.
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Just take solace in the fact that the person who does not believe the way you do WILL burn in hell.
Please say you're kidding, Pointy.
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Oh, you wanted me to say it right? Yes, of coarse I am. After all who is right religiously speaking?
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Unconstitutional? The United States does not own the internet.
That is a fact, but because no one country owns the net there are no laws to protect those that are on it. IMO A line does need to be drawn somewhere. A place without rules and laws to protect the rights of the common person opens up pandoras box because humans naturally push the envelope to gain an edge on others whether it be for profit or power. Censorship is one way of doing this. When we loose our voice, no matter where it is at, we loose our ability to defend ourselves verbally and becoming minions of the person or group censoring us. This is an extreme case of coarse but I am sure you get my point. GOD, ALLAH, BUDA, etc. none of these should be censored. If a group (i.e board admins or moderators) wishes to be PC then all should be censored not just the one that is under attack within the world stage.
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It's simply not censorship. Its no different than someone not wanting you to drop the f-bomb in their house. Regardless of their reasoning, it is their house. You have to decide which is more important, visiting the house, or saying the word.

Don't get me wrong, I am firmly against censorship, I just don't think this particular circumstance qualifies as such.
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It is censorship in all aspects of the word. It's just there is nothing that can be done. Censorship is only protected from government intrusion...not private citizens.

It's still censorship just as it is discrimination regardless of the color of your skin.
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That is a fact, but because no one country owns the net there are no laws to protect those that are on it. IMO A line does need to be drawn somewhere. A place without rules and laws to protect the rights of the common person opens up pandoras box because humans naturally push the envelope to gain an edge on others whether it be for profit or power. Censorship is one way of doing this. When we loose our voice, no matter where it is at, we loose our ability to defend ourselves verbally and becoming minions of the person or group censoring us. This is an extreme case of coarse but I am sure you get my point. GOD, ALLAH, BUDA, etc. none of these should be censored. If a group (i.e board admins or moderators) wishes to be PC then all should be censored not just the one that is under attack within the world stage.
But, if I own a board, it's my right to say you can't post about certain things. If I don't find certain words offensive, but others do, I can still allow them because it's my board. I can also tell people that they may not speak of squirrels. I do not have to incude rats and mice. This is censoring, not censorship.

And the board owner is making laws and rules, it just so happens that some don't agree, but it's his board.

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