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Old 06-25-2012, 06:08 PM   #1
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Abiogenic origin of oil formation

I saw this interesting thread today about theories of oil formation. Someone said, "There is enough oil and gas to last a few hundred years. In fact, many petroleum geologists are discovering that many old oil fields are actually refilling."

I believe this is referring to the abiogenic theory of oil formation. The writer hasn't replied in his comment to my comment, which says:

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Second point - Are you talking about the abiogenic theory of oil formation? I believe the Soviets revived that in the 20th century, but was supposedly discredited because it failed to predict deposit locations. Maybe that was an outright lie to racketeer the oil market into higher prices based on "peak oil."

Or are you talking about oil seeps regardless of oil formation origin?

Look at this, peeps. Oil Fields Are Refilling...Naturally - Sometimes Rapidly There Are More Oil Seeps Than All The Tankers On Earth
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I did a little bit more digging around and wrote:

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Here is a more recent article that discusses the abiogenic origin of oil.

Peak Oil or Nonsense - Are Wells Refilling or Running Dry?

Consider the following, and then contact the oil companies and rip them a new one.

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Thinking it out rationally the dots just never connected. The[re] were no good answers to rational questions.

* First there seems to be a numbers problem. For the billions of barrels of oil that we know to exist, there had to be trillions upon trillions of dinosaurs and who knows how many forests arranged in neat piles to create all the oil wells that are being tapped today. Not to mention the wells yet to be discovered.
* Then we have the scavenger problem. Like today, most of the carcasses were probably an easy meal. It is likely that dinosaurs played a very small part in the process.
* How did the dinosaurs and trees collect in these pits upon death? Were they driven to the nearest future oil reserve by instinct when death was imminent? Most likely not. Where they dropped they died.
* Given much of the earth was covered with life and forests then would not make sense the most of the earth would have a thin layer of oil throughout?

Does scientific theory have to make sense? My best guess is - not.
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And a reader in the comment section of this article made the point that this oil is found thousands of feet below the surface (and I say TENS of thousands of feet). Where did all the dirt required to cover something the size of the earth, never mind the seafloor under the oceans (so that the beach wouldn't be 2-5 miles below land 500 feet from the edge of the seawater) come from? There isn't enough asteroid/meteorite/volcanic activity to make this happen, even on a geological scale to be able to say that the Earth was at one time much smaller than its current 7900-odd-mile diameter when dinosaurs were walking on it. Where did the material to expand it from say, 5000 mi in diameter to its current 7900 mi diameter come from?

Another article here shows that the oil coming out of this one well is dated to be very different from that of the oil extracted 10 years prior...

Wall Street Journal Article* About The Origins Of Crude Oil
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Let's get this rolling, people. The plant/dinosaur theory of oil formation doesn't make sense, and if you READ the articles shown here, you begin to realize that short chain oil apparently formed deeper underground is acted upon by bacteria living down there during the upward migration, giving it a BIOTIC signature with longer chains that we are used to seeing.

A scam will brew if this new possibility isn't addressed and either discounted or confirmed. Nobody can really explain where the oil is coming from. We can only guess because we have never been physically down there, tens of thousands of feet below the surface.

Get ready to rip the oil companies a new one. Or better yet, rip the gov't a new one, since gas is cheaper in silver and gold ounces as opposed to more expensive in dollar amounts.

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Old 06-25-2012, 07:45 PM   #2
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well...I'm no geologist, but I seem to recall from science classes back in the day that oil formed form hundreds of millions of years of plankton deposition on the sea floor, not from dinosaurs and plants. Now plants (forests, actually) did get buried and over time become coal beds, but I think the oil came from plankton biomass. And over hundreds of millions...perhaps up to a billion years or more, there probably was more than enough planktonic biomass to form the oil fields we've exploited over the past 150 years or so.

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well...I'm no geologist,
Then read this article. Be sure to have your google tab besides the article tab to read this article. It can get very technical.

It looks like from what you said, you completely glossed over my post and failed to read the question being begged - where did 3-5 or more miles of top soil come from? Think things through...

Again, read THIS:

The evolution of multicomponent systems at high pressures: VI. The thermodynamic stability of the hydrogen
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Couldn't say how/why it's so deep in the earth. I suspect it'd take a degree or 2 to even begin to get a good understanding of all the process that took place....and even then I bet even the best minds in the field couldn't tell you they truely understand all the processes taking place. Oil companies spend billions drilling test wells and a sizable proportion of those wells come up empty or poor performers.
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and even then I bet even the best minds in the field couldn't tell you they truely understand all the processes taking place. Oil companies spend billions drilling test wells and a sizable proportion of those wells come up empty or poor performers.
That is RIGHT! No one really understands how this works, since NOT ONE of us has been down there 20 miles or below to see for ourselves what is really happening down there. However, the very technical article has demonstrated with high-pressure, high temperature equipment the abiogenic process of making several different products STRICTLY from solid iron oxide and marble (CaCO3), very pure and wet with triple distilled water.
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