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Old 06-11-2013, 11:41 PM   #91
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Remington. They all use different powders/ charges/ wads/ primers. Its really trial and error. Just be glad your not working up a load for a centerfire rifle.

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I forgot about the advice here. To sum up, no problem with the 1300. The 1200 usually gets jammed and won't cycle through. I am getting better. I can shoot with 80% accuracy. Now it is time to get a rifle.

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I have shot my dads, husbands, sisters, brother in law, father in law, and my friends guns but............I am buying my own!!!!!!

We think we want for me.
-20 gauge
-short barrel 18.5"-20"
-short length of pull possibly adjustable
-semi auto

This would be for home defense and for fun.
I have super weak wrists and shoulders. I have wrist pain. I can barely shoot an air rifle with pain for 1-2 times only.

Undecided with pistol grip vs. traditional.

Here are some examples but if you can find anything else or have other suggestions PLEASE tell me. I am ready to buy!!!

http://www.mossberg.com/product/shot...tactical/75779

http://www.weatherby.com/product/sho...to_tr/sa459_tr

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...synthetic.aspx

THANKS!!!
Just bought a Mossberg 500 persuader. Love it. If you have wrist pain, don't get a pistol grip. For home defense loads like 00 buckshot, that'll completely ruin your wrist.

Maybe OP has already bought a shotgun, but either way, thought I would chime in on this convo.
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...Now it is time to get a rifle.


Now the choices really start, lol.

I like Ruger, depending on what you are after. Their 10/22 is fabulous for small cal, the mini platform is tried and true (and now improved) for mid cal, and their scout is a great larger cal rifle, IMO.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:23 AM   #95
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Yeah, way too many choices for rifles. Gotta narrow it down to what you are looking for. Just plinking around, competition, varmints, larger game, etc....

Personally i have an AR-15 for competition and small to medium game. M1 Garand and Weatherby .257 Mag for larger game. That .257 is expensive ammo though.

For larger game i would want a .300 winmag or .338 lapua, but ammo starts to get pretty pricey with those.

Just for plinking around I would go with a .22.

For varmints, a .22 or a .17 hmr do the job nicely.

A lot of choices.
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Now the choices really start, lol.

I like Ruger, depending on what you are after. Their 10/22 is fabulous for small cal, the mini platform is tried and true (and now improved) for mid cal, and their scout is a great larger cal rifle, IMO.
My father has a Ruger Gunsite Scout and swears by it. Chambered for. 308. Very well constructed and functional for the price. I have yet to take it out, but it is tops on my list.
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Assuming that you are looking for a rifle that you take to the range and shoot all day with out hurting your self, I'd suggest the ruger mini 14 ranch rifle. Shoots a .223 round which isnt too heavy of a shot and shouldnt be too hard on you. The .223 being as popular as is it, it comes in a variety of loads. You can get a pretty good round or you can get a very light round. But over all the heaviest .223 wont be as heavy of a kick as a most larger rounds. And bonus about the gun, its not big and highly customizable. I have one with a rail mounted 4 power red dot sight on it. I love it.
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Just at the very early stages.....not really sure what I want to even narrow done at this point. I need more reading and research and love the advice and feedback you all give but yes for the range.
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Just at the very early stages.....not really sure what I want to even narrow done at this point. I need more reading and research and love the advice and feedback you all give but yes for the range.
I'd look at 'varmint' calibers first, generally .223 and under. Lighter recoil, cheaper boolits, and little holes in the paper (so you can poke more of em). .22 is fabulous, but it's more of a plinking step between BB & hunting rifle. They can also typically provide great accuracy through the medium range, out to 400M with some loads (and steady hands). And don't worry, that won't narrow it down much at all.

+ one on the mini-14, .223/5.56 is very common. Target models are very fine rifles, but the Ranch is great, too. They (ranch) come with a traditional wood stock, where as your AR platforms (and Target minis) will be a pistol grip. The 14 also features a piston system (AR is typically gas), which further lessens the felt recoil and can permit a folding pistol grip stock, if desired. There isn't really a disadvantage here as the gas system primarily enables higher rates of fire on automatic rifles though the piston system does add a little weight. All that said, you may find the AR 'feel' better and not have a problem with the .223 in a pistol grip.

Or you may want something else, altogether...

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I'll put my vote in for a varmint caliber of .223. Id say .223 or lighter but then were talking about the 17 remington or the 17 fireball or possibly the .204 ruger. All lazer flat and super fast but ammo is muy $$$$. I dont agree with the mini 14 however, honestly i think its an over rated sub par rifle that will rarely shoot M.O.A at 100 yards.
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Just had a premonition, if i remember right you ended up with a semi auto remmy 1100 12 gauge??? If so i think you will have no problem handling a .243 in a medium contour barrel, say around 22". Its the perfect double duty rifle and its an inherently accurate cartridge. Works great for deer loaded with a 85-100 grain bullet and is a real varmint whacker when loaded with a 58-75 grain hollow point. Ahh, the red mist. Good for punching paper too. Howa makes a great rifle with a Composite Hogue stock with a 22" barrel.
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yup, .223 (or nato equivalent 5.56mm) is a great range round. I use the AR-15 platform for this, but there are a crapload of other platforms that shoot it. The right load, is effective out to 800 yards, we use 77 grain sierra. In the gas operated AR platform you hardly even feel it at all.

Plus it's a NATO round, it may not always be cheap but it will always be in supply. Same can be said for the .308 (or nato 7.62). Heavier round, more kick. But you can easily reach 1000 yards with this one.

Speaking of range guns, anybody gonna be around Camp perry for Nationals? I'm trying to make it this year if everything works out, maybe i will see some of you guys out there.
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I have a Remmy 1187 youth and love it.
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I have a Remmy 1187 youth and love it.
Hey there. Are you still enjoying the vertical grip?
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Hey there. Are you still enjoying the vertical grip?
Love the vertical grip. That was the best idea!!! It puts my wrist in the perfect neutral position.
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the advice and feedback you all give but yes for the range.
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Whats wrong with our feedback. Theres nothing wrong with anything we said for shooting at the range.
Yea I don't see anything wrong, lots of advice and lots of options. Nothing bad about that at all.
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Yea I don't see anything wrong, lots of advice and lots of options. Nothing bad about that at all.
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For what? Shooting or the forum or this thread?
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I always get good advice on this thread and this forum!!
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For what? Shooting or the forum or this thread?
Ooppps. Miscommunication. Lol.

Agreed tho. (Now that I get what you mean)
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I always get good advice on this thread and this forum!!
Aint that the truth. I was suprised with the positive reactions I got when I first got on here and started a thread about building a pink jeep. People on here are great and helpful.
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I'm also a big fan of the AR platform. I shoot competition with mine all the time. There are also a few loads that you can convert a standard .223/5.56 AR to by just changing out the barrel and bolt group. Like the .300 Blackout for instance. Then you can have a plinking gun, and swap over for hunting medium game. Helpful because the lower receiver is the only FFL controlled part, and you don't touch it when swapping. Only have to go through the background check process and all that once, the necessary parts you need can be ordered off the internet.

Bolt group can be changed out in seconds. The barrel is a bit more trouble, but doable by yourself with the right tools.

Just a thought, it won't be cheap to buy the AR and the conversion parts. But cheaper than buying 2 guns.

There's also a .22 conversion kit, i believe all you need to change is the bolt carrier group, and pop in a special mag with spacers in it. A few minutes tops.

Plus if you are set on a particular caliber, the AR can be had in a lot of different ones nowadays. 7.62, 6.8 spc, 6.5 creedmoor just to name a few.
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I forgot about the advice here. To sum up, no problem with the 1300. The 1200 usually gets jammed and won't cycle through. I am getting better. I can shoot with 80% accuracy. Now it is time to get a rifle.

Winchester 1200? I have one for clays and i love it. Only had jamming problems once, and that's cuz my dad hadn't cleaned it in a while. I cleaned all the fouling out of it, oiled it back up, she never fails me as long as i take care of her.

There are some truly bad designs out there, but for the most part keep em cleaned and lubed and you eliminate a lot of jams.
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I'm also a big fan of the AR platform. I shoot competition with mine all the time. There are also a few loads that you can convert a standard .223/5.56 AR to by just changing out the barrel and bolt group. Like the .300 Blackout for instance. Then you can have a plinking gun, and swap over for hunting medium game. Helpful because the lower receiver is the only FFL controlled part, and you don't touch it when swapping. Only have to go through the background check process and all that once, the necessary parts you need can be ordered off the internet.

Bolt group can be changed out in seconds. The barrel is a bit more trouble, but doable by yourself with the right tools.

Just a thought, it won't be cheap to buy the AR and the conversion parts. But cheaper than buying 2 guns.

There's also a .22 conversion kit, i believe all you need to change is the bolt carrier group, and pop in a special mag with spacers in it. A few minutes tops.

Plus if you are set on a particular caliber, the AR can be had in a lot of different ones nowadays. 7.62, 6.8 spc, 6.5 creedmoor just to name a few.

Yes Yes Yes... The AR is the "Chevy small block" of platforms. You'll run out of money LONG before you run out of ways to tinker-toy with it...
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Winchester 1200? I have one for clays and i love it. Only had jamming problems once, and that's cuz my dad hadn't cleaned it in a while. I cleaned all the fouling out of it, oiled it back up, she never fails me as long as i take care of her.

There are some truly bad designs out there, but for the most part keep em cleaned and lubed and you eliminate a lot of jams.
1200 fps amo gets jammed
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Yeah, way too many choices for rifles. Gotta narrow it down to what you are looking for. Just plinking around, competition, varmints, larger game, etc....

Personally i have an AR-15 for competition and small to medium game. M1 Garand and Weatherby .257 Mag for larger game. That .257 is expensive ammo though.

For larger game i would want a .300 winmag or .338 lapua, but ammo starts to get pretty pricey with those.

Just for plinking around I would go with a .22.

For varmints, a .22 or a .17 hmr do the job nicely.

A lot of choices.

LOVE my 7717. Like someone else said- flat as a pancake to 300+ yards. A blast to shoot and wicked accurate with the heavy barrel on it.

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