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Old 01-05-2013, 11:50 AM   #1
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Thumbs down And so it begins...H.J.Res. 15 - removing Presidential term limit

H.J.Res. 15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment,thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.

Introduced:Jan 04, 2013 (113th Congress, 2013–2015)
Sponsor: Rep. José Serrano [D-NY15]
Status:Referred to Committee

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President. (H.J.Res. 15) - GovTrack.us


I see why they want to take the guns away.

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Old 01-05-2013, 09:12 PM   #2
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Was wondering when this would start..

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Old 01-05-2013, 09:38 PM   #3
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Worst idea ever. Add term limits to every office - Politics were not supposed to be a career!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...paign=shorturl
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0% chance of leaving committee...

Every few years someone will introduce legislation to repeal the (unconstitutional) hughes amendment. It never passes committee either. Only about 10% of proposals make it to vote, 85% die in committee.

Term limits are called elections. Why would forcing Dr Paul, for instance, out of office be seen as beneficial?
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:09 PM   #5
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I'm not saying this will pass, but we need to use our voices. As idealistic as it sounds, this would solve a lot of issues. Politicians making careers out of public service is joke, and it needs to be addressed. So many of the issues that we face witrh budget and government spending are linked to the long careers of Congressmen and women.
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The only reasonable jesture along the lines of term limits is to populate the lower house (House of Rep) for 1 term only from the registered voter base. Hold elections for the upper house (Senate). The Senate is the "Saucer that cools the cup".

Otherwise it really doesn't solve much. The people are still incapable of making educated decisions because of money and media. Picking more bad people with connections to deep pockets doesn't help, it promotes special interest throwing money at different individuals until something sticks.

And you didn't answer my question
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Term limits is just a step in the right direction. Unfortunately I do not have all the answers. I only believe that Strom Thurmond in the Senate for almost 50 years is a big problem. Would pulling individuals out that are doing well be beneficial? Not necessarily, but neither is collateral damage.... They both work for a greater good. I am simply looking for an improvement on what is becoming a faulty system. More and more people in Congress raping the system for their own good instead of the good of our country. Great discussion btw.
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Great discussion btw.
Yessir.

And we certainly agree what we have does not work.
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And we certainly agree what we have does not work.
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After further research, it appears that Rep. José Serrano [D-NY15] routinely introduces the same bill to abolish Presidential term limits. I guess he wants a Monarchy.
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"... You are afraid of the one-I, of the few. ... You are Apprehensive of Monarchy; I, of Aristocracy. I would therefore have given more power to the President and less to the Senate. The Nomination and Appointment to all offices I would have given to the President, assisted only by a Privy Council of his own Creation, but not a Vote or Voice would I have given to the Senate or any Senator, unless he were of the Privy Council. Faction and Distraction are the sure and certain Consequence of giving to a Senate a vote in the distribution of offices.
You are apprehensive the President when once chosen, will be chosen again and again as long as he lives. So much the better as it appears to me. - You are apprehensive of foreign Interference, Intrigue, and Influence. So am I. -But, as often as Elections happen, the danger of foreign Influence recurs. The less frequently they happen the less danger. - And if the Same Man may be chosen again, it is probable he will be, and the danger of foreign Influence will be less...
Elections, my dear sir, Elections to offices which are great objects of Ambition, I look at with terror. Experiments of this kind have been so often tryed, and so universally found productive of Horrors, that there is great Reason to dread them..."
John Adams to Jefferson Dec 1787

"... The second feature I dislike, and greatly dislike, is the abandonment in every instance of the necessity of rotation in office, and most particularly in the case of the President. Experience concurs with reason in concluding that the first magistrate will always be re-elected if the Constitution permits it. He is then an officer for life. This once observed, it becomes of so much consequence to certain nations to have a friend or a foe at the head of our affairs that they will interfere with money & with arms. A Galloman or an Angloman will be supported by the nation he befriends. If once elected, and at a second or third election out voted by one or two votes, he will pretend false votes, foul play, hold possession of the reins of government, be supported by the States voting for him, especially if they are the central ones lying in a compact body themselves & separating their opponents: and they will be aided by one nation of Europe, while the majority are aided by another. The election of a President of America some years hence will be much more interesting to certain nations of Europe than ever the election of a king of Poland was. Reflect on all the instances in history antient & modern, of elective monarchies, and say if they do not give foundation for my fears. The Roman emperors, the popes, while they were of any importance, the German emperors till they became hereditary in practice, the kings of Poland, the Deys of the Ottoman dependances. It may be said that if elections are to be attended with these disorders, the seldomer they are renewed the better. But experience shews that the only way to prevent disorder is to render them uninteresting by frequent changes. An incapacity to be elected a second time would have been the only effectual preventative. The power of removing him every fourth year by the vote of the people is a power which will not be exercised.*"
Jefferson to Madison, 2 weeks later

It is an old arguement, no doubt.

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