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Old 07-15-2010, 07:31 AM   #1
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Any cavers out there?

Cavers are an eccentric and tight-knit group...a lot like Jeepers. This means we love getting muddy all the time!

Any more jeeper-cavers out there? Bat stickers on Jeeps?

Headed up to Kentucky today for Karst-O-Rama weekend!

Pic of me at a cave in TN.
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Old 07-15-2010, 07:34 AM   #2
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i know of at least one guy...cavediverjc. i'm sure he'll chime in eventually.

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^^Yep^^ Except the caves he explored were under water.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:26 AM   #4
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Mine are all underwater. I like to pick the more challenging things in life.....
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Yes sir, that's certainly challenging....I salute you. Mostly dry and horizontal for me.
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:18 AM   #6
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Love my time spent underground!!!! Lovin' time in my new JK as well though. Hmmmm.... road trip in the JK to spend time underground, perfect. Kentucky, here we come!!!!!
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The darkness beckons, huh? I have an extensive technical/cave diving library. There's a book you might like that deals with a cave system in Mexico named Huautla. It's called Beyond The Deep, by Bill (William) Stone and Barb Ende. The cave diving community is so small, we all know each other. Bill is a mechanical genius that invents CCRs (closed-circuit rebreathers) and is about as nice as they come. The book is about an expedition that explores the cave system. It's really good. It's got about as much caving as it does sump diving and cave diving, so I think you'll like it. I'm a NSS-CDS and NACD cave diving instructor, so if you ever want to get certified to dive the caves, let me know. I'll see what I can do about getting some time away from work. We can meet at one of the systems in northern Florida. It's an extremely expensive process though, I must warn you, so start padding your savings account now. (But it's totally worth it!)
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Old 07-15-2010, 02:08 PM   #8
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I thought about trying this,but was told its impossible to light a cigarette under water.I like the caves in South Kadota but I'm sure its nothing like what you experience.
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there are some great mud caves in anza borrego state park in the southern end of California. The caves are nothing compared to the pics you posted, but they are still caves
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One of the best caves, that is not well known, that I have been through is just outside Rifle Colorado. I do not remember the name as it has been a long time. I just remember the ice cold river a couple hours into the cave. Most caves in the West are old lava flows.
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The darkness beckons, huh? I have an extensive technical/cave diving library. There's a book you might like that deals with a cave system in Mexico named Huautla. It's called Beyond The Deep, by Bill (William) Stone and Barb Ende. The cave diving community is so small, we all know each other. Bill is a mechanical genius that invents CCRs (closed-circuit rebreathers) and is about as nice as they come. The book is about an expedition that explores the cave system. It's really good. It's got about as much caving as it does sump diving and cave diving, so I think you'll like it. I'm a NSS-CDS and NACD cave diving instructor, so if you ever want to get certified to dive the caves, let me know. I'll see what I can do about getting some time away from work. We can meet at one of the systems in northern Florida. It's an extremely expensive process though, I must warn you, so start padding your savings account now. (But it's totally worth it!)
how much does the beginner class go for? it sounds sweet, although scuba isnt nearly as fun since i started hard hat diving.
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how much does the beginner class go for? it sounds sweet, although scuba isnt nearly as fun since i started hard hat diving.
The beginner class would be the Cavern class. It usually goes for $400-$500 depending on what all is needed, gear-wise.

SCUBA is a bunch of fun.....you've just gotta do it on Heliox or Trimix or on a CCR. Being tethered to a hard hat never appealed to me. Makes it too hard to explore a cave system.
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The beginner class would be the Cavern class. It usually goes for $400-$500 depending on what all is needed, gear-wise.

SCUBA is a bunch of fun.....you've just gotta do it on Heliox or Trimix or on a CCR. Being tethered to a hard hat never appealed to me. Makes it too hard to explore a cave system.
thats not too bad. the tethered part does suck but i get to do all kinds of sweet rigging other stuff. do you get any kind of cert. when you finish the cavern class?
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The darkness beckons, huh? I have an extensive technical/cave diving library. There's a book you might like that deals with a cave system in Mexico named Huautla. It's called Beyond The Deep, by Bill (William) Stone and Barb Ende. The cave diving community is so small, we all know each other. Bill is a mechanical genius that invents CCRs (closed-circuit rebreathers) and is about as nice as they come. The book is about an expedition that explores the cave system. It's really good. It's got about as much caving as it does sump diving and cave diving, so I think you'll like it. I'm a NSS-CDS and NACD cave diving instructor, so if you ever want to get certified to dive the caves, let me know. I'll see what I can do about getting some time away from work. We can meet at one of the systems in northern Florida. It's an extremely expensive process though, I must warn you, so start padding your savings account now. (But it's totally worth it!)
Thanks cavediverjc, but I'll stay in the dry and muddy caves for now. Yes, I'm familiar with Beyond the Deep. I design all of the NSS ads for the bookstore and I'm on the Conservation Committee and Advertising Committee. I work with Cheryl Jones on most of the projects. She's a diver, so I assume you know her. Mike - NSS#49205
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Mike, great topic! Greg and I went to the Lost World Caverns in WV earlier in the month and they do four hour caving tours, where as we just did the limited self guided tour; we would love to go back and do the dirty, undeveloped part, or check out other place per recommendations for that matter! Do you have a favorite place? Do you have a fun jeep-caver sticker on your ride?


Shortly after going down into the cavern




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Me getting ansy and wanting to climb around:

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Me getting ansy and wanting to climb around:

Are you wearing toe gloves?
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Are you wearing toe gloves?
ALWAYS! Vibram FiveFingers, and they are the BEST. I know some folks have said they look like the things they were inside their flippers when diving (you'd know best, I've never been into diving so I couldn't say)

They are all that I have worn since February in various styles/colors. I was really impressed with how I did in WV in my simple classics (as seen in the pic) Climbing up super steep mountains was a breeze, I could dig my toes in and scurry right up where as Greg and my brother were slipping and clunking around in heavy hiking boots. And I HAD to try climbing on something in the cavern to see what sort of grip I would have on the slippery surfaces, and I had no trouble at all!
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I figure I'll get to spend plenty of time undergound in another 20-25 years so I'm in no hurry to go voluntarily or early. You guys have fun. Grew up around the Mississippi bluffs in Illinois so I used to go a lot. Both climbing and caving.

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