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Old 11-05-2008, 10:00 AM   #1
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Any Lawyers? What Is Interstate Theft?

I had a company call me to sample their product. They sent me a sample bottle of a concrete dissolver. After we got the sample they called and asked if we wanted to give them an order for their product. We said we would consider giving them an order b/c the product worked. We said that we will call them and give them a pruchase order for a case or so, when we were ready for it. well a few days later we recieved 2 cases of the stuff. Originally we were going to take the prooduct even though we didnt actually order it. then we recieved the bill with an outrageous freight charge. i called to get a return authorization b/c i decided that i did not want to deal with this "sheister" company. No one has given me the rerutn authorization as of yet. The invoice (for the product that i never actually ordered) is now past due by a few days. i received a call form this company and they told me that if i don't pay by today they will call their lawyer and they will persue with "interstate theft" charges. i have not sold any of their product, it is still in the original box waiting to be sent back. What is interstate theft? And can you charge someone of that if YOU sent them the product that they didn't order? I dont know what to do. i am not paying for it b/c i did not give them a purchase order for it and they grossly over charged me on the shipping.

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Old 11-05-2008, 10:06 AM   #2
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interstate theft would be theft across state lines. they sound like complete con artists. i would just send them a letter explaining that you did not order any and you are awaiting shipping calltag info so you can return it (on their dime of course).

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Old 11-05-2008, 10:29 AM   #3
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They're bluffing.
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:58 AM   #4
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:16 AM   #6
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thanks, i was pertty sure that i was not stealing anything. i looked up interstate theft and could not really get a defintion. So using this guys logic, i could ship you 75 chainsaws, bill you for them and then when you dont pay, i can call the police? this guy is an idiot. when he called yesterday and i told him that i did not want the product and thought the shipping charge was rediculus, he told me that the shipping charge was actual freight. which is b.s. i pulled up the tracking info from fedex and it did not ship from nevada it shipped form alabama, and the weight on the label on the package was way more that the actual weight that fedex had listed. he gave me a decent price on the product but raped me on shipping. I could second day air the 2 packages back to him for less than what he charged me on ground freight. I am so pissed at this guy.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:24 AM   #7
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i've never had anyone be such an ass like this guy. he got really nasty with me on the phone and started screaming at me for not paying. i was trying to be nice and diplomatic with this raving lunatic. once he got condescending i got pissed, i dont mind being called sweetheart and darling most of the time (it comes with the territory i suppose) but this guy got to me. maybe i should start charging him storage charges b/c he wont send me a return authorization. Maybe that'll get his ass in gear to take the stuff back.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:34 AM   #8
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I get tool salesmen constantly harassing me to buy stuff, they actually will curse me out when I say no. I usually have to say no about 20 times before they get it. I had one company send me a case of saw blades and a "free" sawzall, it was the deal they were offering. I didn't order it! They called to collect the money, I told the guy I did not order the product and would gladly ship it back. He told me keep it and kept calling after that to make more sales. They are all from Texas too, why is that? ....................Scout? are you harassing me?
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Don't call!!!!
Send certified letters and keep copies.
This is a legal matter and you need to be able to document all interaction.

Oh, and yes you can send them a bill for storage as well as handling fees.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:37 AM   #10
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I like the storage charges... In my accounting class I've heard of suppliers/distributiors bullying customers into purchasing large amounts of product just to pad the suppliers' sales revenue accounts. This guy seems to be taking it a step further and just flat out conning you with his product... I suppose if you never had a legal contract to purchase the product I would talk to your lawyer to get you legal options i.e. Send it back, then sue for shipping charges etc...
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:47 AM   #11
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i've noticed that a lot of sheister companies are out of florida. i was doing business with a pressure washer company (Water Cannon). one day my looked in the bussiness bank account to balance the books and notice a check he did not remember writing. he looked at the digital image and the company made there own check and cashed it to their payroll account. on the top or the "check" they spelled our business name wrong. The business is Warnco Equipment" they spelled warnco correctly, but misspelled equipment. the check read "Warnco Equipkment".when we called them on it they said we authorized it over the phone. we called the cops and had to change our bank account number. i am always hesitant of companies out of Florida.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:48 AM   #12
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What the heck is a concrete dissolver ? I always thought a big sledge hammer was used for that...
By all means, send registered letters and document everything, you might also want to record your conversations with him in the future.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:54 AM   #13
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lol. it dissolves concrete on equipment in small amounts. it's not a good idea to take a sledge hammer to a mortar mixer or a cut off saw, though.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:16 PM   #14
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I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last week:

If I were you, I would call the State Attorney General's Office in Trenton and file a complaint. I would also inform the Post Office and ask to speak to the post master and also file a complaint with them. Falsely billing someone (intentionally) and using the mail system is mail fraud and is a felony.

I would also send a registered letter to the company and refuse payment and acceptance of the product and advise them you are filing complaints with the officials.
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the only thing that worries me is that the packages were signed for. when we get our fedex shipments in for the day he gives us the signature pad and we sign for the packages, but not individually though. we sign for the days shipment. so i hope that wont be a problem. i have all of the product they just wont let me send it back. it says on their invoice that all returns are subject to a 20% restocking fee and they have to give me a Return Authorization Number in order for them to return it. they also dont refund the shipping charges. I told the @sshole yesterday that his merchandise is here waiting for him or he can send me a label to send it back to him. he laughed and said, "it doesn't work that way sweetheart." so how exactly does "it" work then? i'm guessing however is convienient for him. i'm so pissed right now. The other thing that i just thought of is that i never filled out a credit application w/ this company for an open account. whenever i set up with a vendor i fill out a credit application, but i never did with this guy. that could probably go in my favor. i dont know, i just keep getting more pissed as the day goes on. all i want is for this @sshole to get his stuff.
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You could always start a negative publicity campaign against this company, it would cost them more in the long run. Just cross post on the 40,000 newsgroups that are on the NNTP news servers as a warning not to do business with this company and that they are a rip off. At that point that article would show up in every dejanews, yahoo and google search ANYONE ever does on the product. As it is if you named the product and company anyone who did a search on it would find this thread too depending on how it's setup on the server.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:39 PM   #17
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maybe i should start charging him storage charges b/c he wont send me a return authorization. Maybe that'll get his ass in gear to take the stuff back.
all bs aside, i have obtained results on several instances by just cutting the BS and sending an invoice on things. i had an insurance company giving me the runaround, so i sent them an invoice for rental car, depreciation, all sorts of chit. dont you know they all of the sudden became interested and started answering my calls....had my check they owed me in a week or two.
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lol, hit 'em where it hurts, the pockets.
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If I were you, I would call the State Attorney General's Office in Trenton and file a complaint. I would also inform the Post Office and ask to speak to the post master and also file a complaint with them. Falsely billing someone (intentionally) and using the mail system is mail fraud and is a felony.

I would also send a registered letter to the company and refuse payment and acceptance of the product and advise them you are filing complaints with the officials.
Also register a complaint with the FTC; they oversee consumer protections for interstate commerce.
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I used to run a company (we were unsworn contractors for the State Attorney's Office) in Florida. Right in the bay next to our office was a boiler room that sent out office supplies to random companies with an invoice; most companies paid them without asking. Most of the rest paid after a nasty collection call. They just forgot about the rest and moved on.

They can't make you pay; you didn't order it. Make your calls and let them know they've been reported. They'll go away.
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I knew I forgot one...yes, the FTC governs interstate commerce.

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