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Old 03-20-2013, 03:17 PM   #31
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Anytime there is talk of new restrictive gun laws you get panic buyers of guns and ammo. Compound shift in production to filling government contracts with civilians panic buying ammo and reloading supplies, and what you get is empty retail shelves because civilian demand outpaces the civilian supply rate.

Once these large contracts have been filled, production will shift back to supplying civilians. Ammo companies want to make as much money as possible, whenever possible.
Well that is one industry that the present admin has had a positive effect on. Gun and ammo suppliers are working over time trying to keep up with demand. Glock has added another shift trying to fill orders and apparently current demand has increased wait time for up to 6 or 7 months.

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I concur. Today I actually became a felon. When our govenor signed the bill to limit mag capacity to 15, the half dozen or so 30 round mags I have upstairs put me on the wrong side of the law.

I don't consider the people in line at the gun shows to be hoarders. That connotates something wrong with them. The amount of ammo you have, and the number of guns is a relative number, and certainly none of anyone's business.
I am sure if you were not a felon previously to the bill you are not want just because the bill was signed. I have not read the bill but seems like there would have to be grandfather clauses etc I will have to look it up to be sure tho.

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I am sure if you were not a felon previously to the bill you are not want just because the bill was signed. I have not read the bill but seems like there would have to be grandfather clauses etc I will have to look it up to be sure tho.
I was being a bit dramatic, however, as the bill is written in Colorado there is no provision for mags already in one's possession ...
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I was being a bit dramatic, however, as the bill is written in Colorado there is no provision for mags already in one's possession ...
It took me about two minutes after posting my response to you and yes there is.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cli...e=1224_enr.pdf

problem with being dramatic is people read it and pass it on as being real.

further more unless you commit a felony you are not a felon lol.
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I went to Bass Pro Shops on Sunday and they had 12 gauge ammo (slugs, birdshot, 00buck), 14 gauge, 16 gauge, .17, .38 specials, etc.. However, I did not see any 9mm, 40, .45 acps, or even 22 LR.. I sure do miss plinking but since there is plenty of 12 gauge around here, I might aswell start buying shot shells and shooting them for fun.
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It took me about two minutes after posting my response to you and yes there is.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cli...e=1224_enr.pdf

problem with being dramatic is people read it and pass it on as being real.

further more unless you commit a felony you are not a felon lol.
My bad, class 2 misdemeanor. And yes, one is grandfathered, however, there is burden-of-proof verbiage subtexed in the section speaking to those already in possession. Even though the burden falls to the prosecution, it still leaves wiggle room.

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My bad, class 2 misdemeanor. And yes, one is grandfathered, however, there is burden-of-proof verbiage subtexed in the section speaking to those already in possession. Even though the burden falls to the prosecution, it still leaves wiggle room.

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yes and google. hell all you need to do is take a photo of your mags laying on top of a newspaper and there is your burden of proof or one person that knows you to testify that yup you had the mags prior to the cutoff date. This law will have little effect on joe citizen it will however have an impact on suppliers/manufacturers and hopefully they will move to Montana we could use some new jobs here.
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yes and google. hell all you need to do is take a photo of your mags laying on top of a newspaper and there is your burden of proof or one person that knows you to testify that yup you had the mags prior to the cutoff date. This law will have little effect on joe citizen it will however have an impact on suppliers/manufacturers and hopefully they will move to Montana we could use some new jobs here.
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I concur. Today I actually became a felon. When our govenor signed the bill to limit mag capacity to 15, the half dozen or so 30 round mags I have upstairs put me on the wrong side of the law.

I don't consider the people in line at the gun shows to be hoarders. That connotates something wrong with them. The amount of ammo you have, and the number of guns is a relative number, and certainly none of anyone's business.
I guess I should watch my words about hoarding. But do I ever see a difference in the gun shows I've been attending, & which vendors they're flocking to. But forgive my words.

It's taken something like this to wake Americans up! Personally i have not been a gun owner for long, but when I started getting into it, I found myself thinking "WHERE HAVE I BEEN ALL THESE YEARS???"

I have 30 round magazines, one came with the AR and the other 2 I bought. The first one I bought was 13 dollars, and at the last gun show they were selling them for FORTY BUCKS!! (forgive me, I love these emoticons!!!) I didn't buy the 3rd one at the show, no way would I pay that much!
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I guess I should watch my words about hoarding. But do I ever see a difference in the gun shows I've been attending, & which vendors they're flocking to. But forgive my words.

It's taken something like this to wake Americans up! Personally i have not been a gun owner for long, but when I started getting into it, I found myself thinking "WHERE HAVE I BEEN ALL THESE YEARS???"

I have 30 round magazines, one came with the AR and the other 2 I bought. The first one I bought was 13 dollars, and at the last gun show they were selling them for FORTY BUCKS!! (forgive me, I love these emoticons!!!) I didn't buy the 3rd one at the show, no way would I pay that much!
If you can tolerate steel mags, I have a few you can have...
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I concur. Today I actually became a felon. When our govenor signed the bill to limit mag capacity to 15, the half dozen or so 30 round mags I have upstairs put me on the wrong side of the law.

I don't consider the people in line at the gun shows to be hoarders. That connotates something wrong with them. The amount of ammo you have, and the number of guns is a relative number, and certainly none of anyone's business.
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It really gets worse since ammo is hard to find as it is so everyone goes into panic mode,buys all they can & it keeps spiriling,taking that much longer for shelves to get stocked to where they were befor panic set in.Did I just make any sense????lol
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Yeah, since December I have been shooting a lot less bec. I cant find any .22s or handgun ammo. I started shooting a lot more .410 since all anybody has around here are shotshells. But, I found half of an old bulk box of .22s in my closet the other day and I was excited.
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I scored 850 rounds the other day for ~$175 and it sucks I was happy about it.
I recognize those orange boxes anywhere. HSM. Hsm is like 10 miles from me. ha
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:39 PM   #45
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I recognize those orange boxes anywhere. HSM. Hsm is like 10 miles from me. ha
They and BVAC have been doing a banner business that is for sure. I called them up and they said if you want it you better get down here and pick it up as it is a mad house. I walked in and it was like a freaking black friday at Walmart. I am so old I remember when Hunting shack was in east missoula lol.
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I scored 850 rounds the other day for ~$175 and it sucks I was happy about it.
wouldnt find taking a few of those boxes off your hands
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A friend of mine who teaches at the police academy here said that .223 rounds are going to end up being like Cuban cigars. Semi-illegal, hard to come by and very valuable
Not a good analogy since Cuban cigars are completely illegal.
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I've been going by our local Ranch store almost every day or two and picking up my limit of 3 boxes of HSM 40. Wife and I need at least 1250 rounds each for the Basic, Advanced and Competitive Pistol courses, plus any recreational shooting. It sucks but I appreciate that I can pick up those three boxes every day at least... for now.
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The US Constitution states no ex post facto laws. If you bought it legally, you can keep it. This is the ONLY reason you can still own select fire weaponry, otherwise Reagan would've prohibited it. Every State law is beholden to this clause.

BO has done less to restrict gun ownership than either Bush, and certainly Reagan; the 94 AWB only passed because of a preset sunset - Clinton (or Bush) had nothing to do with that, although Dubya supported keeping the ban in place permanently.

Faux news (and corporate media in general) fear-mongering caused a run on manufacturers, along with billions of rounds going overseas, resulting in less available product. Ammo manufacturers are operating at or near to capacity, but they cannot get the components fast enough to go faster. Gun manufacturers cannot get steel for barrels fast enough, and it is consumer driven - not government usurpation.

Can we climb off the 'Obama is gonna steal our guns' b***s*** yet? Lmao.
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The US Constitution states no ex post facto laws. If you bought it legally, you can keep it. This is the ONLY reason you can still own select fire weaponry, otherwise Reagan would've prohibited it. Every State law is beholden to this clause.

BO has done less to restrict gun ownership than either Bush, and certainly Reagan; the 94 AWB only passed because of a preset sunset - Clinton (or Bush) had nothing to do with that, although Dubya supported keeping the ban in place permanently.

Faux news (and corporate media in general) fear-mongering caused a run on manufacturers, along with billions of rounds going overseas, resulting in less available product. Ammo manufacturers are operating at or near to capacity, but they cannot get the components fast enough to go faster. Gun manufacturers cannot get steel for barrels fast enough, and it is consumer driven - not government usurpation.

Can we climb off the 'Obama is gonna steal our guns' b***s*** yet? Lmao.
Not lil ole obama lol
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I must have missed something. Who is blaming Obama? I guess I could go through all the posts and look for myself, but I'm far too lazy for that...
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:42 AM   #53
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I managed to pick up 420 rds of 5.56 today at one place. 100 rds at another.

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I happened to be at bass pro on 12/20, looking at gun safes, you would have thought 12/21 was going to be a zombie apocalypse, never seen that many people buying ammo
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The US Constitution states no ex post facto laws. If you bought it legally, you can keep it. This is the ONLY reason you can still own select fire weaponry, otherwise Reagan would've prohibited it. Every State law is beholden to this clause.
That isn't exactly what Ex Post Facto is. Ex Post Facto prevents the government from making something a crime and then charging you with committing that crime for an act that was done prior to the law. In essence confiscation (Turn in what you already have) would not violate Ex Post Facto while "One Sep. 1 we Have a new AWB, anyone who owned a banned firearm From Dec 20. up to Sep. 1 is now a felon" would violate Ex Post Facto.

As far as machine guns there isn't a ban technically, its just that there is no way for non-government parties to register new machine guns and get the tax stamp. Eventually we might see an attack on the Hughes Amendment in court but that will require a significant culture shift in the current Supreme Court based on questions they asked during Heller.
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I must have missed something. Who is blaming Obama? I guess I could go through all the posts and look for myself, but I'm far too lazy for that...
More refering to the national run on all things firearms, not comments here. The Feinstein bill is gonna get squashed, ammo will not be banned, and any awb that gets a vote will very likely have a sunset. The concern with ammo, though, would be a law requiring serial #s on boolits and casings, something that would increase price and slow production. Mags... well that is (probably) a different story (3D printer and free software says what!?!). No arguement can be made to their requirement if not for militia purposes. Of course, we beat the Nazis with 7 pops and a ping. A line of men with 10rnd mags is more formidable than a smaller group (1/3 as many) wih 30s, imo.

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That isn't exactly what Ex Post Facto is. Ex Post Facto prevents the government from making something a crime and then charging you with committing that crime for an act that was done prior to the law. In essence confiscation (Turn in what you already have) would not violate Ex Post Facto while "One Sep. 1 we Have a new AWB, anyone who owned a banned firearm From Dec 20. up to Sep. 1 is now a felon" would violate Ex Post Facto.

As far as machine guns there isn't a ban technically, its just that there is no way for non-government parties to register new machine guns and get the tax stamp. Eventually we might see an attack on the Hughes Amendment in court but that will require a significant culture shift in the current Supreme Court based on questions they asked during Heller.
Which is why any gun owned legally before enactment of the 1986 legislation could be maintained, if registered. Miller arguements did more to restrict 'militia style weaponry' than Heller, but both were aggressive towards restriction of it.
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I got 525 rounds of .22 and 300 rounds of 9mm. I sent my wife into the store and there was no limit when she purchased, I on the other hand could only buy 1 box per caliber
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If you can tolerate steel mags, I have a few you can have...
Thanks for the offer...I do appreciate it. I still have some ammo so for now I'm ok. Thank you though!
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Thanks for the offer...I do appreciate it. I still have some ammo so for now I'm ok. Thank you though!
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