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Old 12-17-2012, 11:42 AM   #61
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I find it disturbing that this entire Connecticut tragedy is being politicized by the left to pursue their anti-gun agenda. With Boehner the way he is (always caving) and the way the American public is becoming more and more oblivious, it wouldn't surprise me if ARs aren't for sale in the coming months.
Get the AR....the Jeep won't be banned......hopefully.
Also, is it weird Walmart sells guns? Well, Big 5 and scheels also carry basketballs and other "kiddy" sport paraphernalia yet they sell many more weapons and ammunition. Does that mean they shouldn't sell big bad Assault weapons that kill people with eye contact?
LOL, give me a break.

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I use legal terms to define legalities; I'm not sure what your implication is.

According to the VA definition? No, a .17 or .22 could be and a .458 wouldn't be on size alone. Nothing to do with cartridge size, more to do with accys & mag size. Which is silly, as it isn't the mag that kills, or the foregrip, or the pistol grip, or the fact it is usually black.

Those truely concerned with not demonizing firearms or stripping rights should write your Congressperson to repeal the Reagan/Hughes machine gun ban of 1986. It is what actually killed the 2nd Amendment.
Interesting post, I didn't actually know about that last paragraph. I was under the impression that full autos had been illegal for quite some time.

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Got a tough choice coming up, do I buy the parts I want for my Jeep or purchase an AR-15 before they try and ban them again? opinons?
They'll have a tough time passing it in the House. Thank God for checks and balances.
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"Machine Gun Ban

As debate for FOPA was in its final stages in the House before moving on to the Senate, Rep.*William J. Hughes*(D-N.J.) proposed several amendments including House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332*[4]*that would ban a civilian from ownership or transfer rights of any fully automatic weapon which was not registered as of May 19, 1986. The amendment also held that any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff date could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.In the morning hours of April 10, 1986, the House held recorded votes on three amendments to FOPA in Record Vote No's 72, 73, and 74. Recorded Vote 72 was on H.AMDT. 776, an amendment to H.AMDT 770 involving the interstate sale of handguns; while Recorded Vote 74 was on H.AMDT 770, involving primarily the easing of interstate sales and the safe passage provision. Recorded Vote 74 was the controversial Hughes Amendment that called for the banning of machine guns. Rep.*Charles Rangel*(D-N.Y.), at the time presiding as Chairman over the proceedings, claimed that the "amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended, was agreed to." However, after the voice vote on the Hughes Amendment, Rangel ignored a plea to take a recorded vote and moved on to Recorded Vote 74 where the Hughes Amendment failed.[5][6]*The bill, H.R. 4332, as a whole passed in Record Vote No: 75 on a motion to recommit. Despite the controversial amendment, the Senate, in S.B. 49, adopted H.R. 4332 as an amendment to the final bill. The bill was subsequently passed and signed on May 19, 1986 by President*Ronald Reagan*to become Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act."

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The 1934 law went a bit further than the previous IRS gun laws, the 1968 took it further, then 1986 nailed the coffin shut.

Yes indeed, thank God for checks & balances.

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Oh and I am pretty tired of saying it now, but I have no problem with Walmart selling guns. None at all. I have no problems wih Modern Sporting Rifles. I have no problem with class III items. I think it is weird, and hypocritical, that walmart will not sell unedited Eminem, the #1 selling artist this century, but they will sell MSRs now, which they never did in the past. They still won't sell pistols again, except Alaska, because the laws are "too difficult to keep associates trained on". Which MSRs have special laws in most states, too.
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Interesting post, I didn't actually know about that last paragraph. I was under the impression that full autos had been illegal for quite some time.
They have never been illegal. The process of purchasing one is just a bit involved. They are fairly expensive due to limited supply, plus the additional tax.
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They have never been illegal. The process of purchasing one is just a bit involved. They are fairly expensive due to limited supply, plus the additional tax.
That's the worst part of FOPA (iirc), it made general production for the US market prohibited.

But you are correct, 200$ tax (registration) stamp and you are good to go. Then you gotta find 8k for the gun, 20 if you want an m16. And really I am somewhat OK with registering them, so long as Ruger could make the AC556 on a main line.

Best way to go class III, by the by, is to set up a trust that owns your guns.
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Anyone think they'd believe I lost my M4 in a tragic boating accident on a field loss memo? Hmm...lol
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".... Oh and I am pretty tired of saying it now, but I have no problem with Walmart selling guns. None at all. I have no problems wih Modern Sporting Rifles. I have no problem with class III items. I think it is weird, and hypocritical, that walmart will not sell unedited Eminem, the #1 selling artist this century, but they will sell MSRs now, which they never did in the past. They still won't sell pistols again, except Alaska, because the laws are "too difficult to keep associates trained on". Which MSRs have special laws in most states, too.
I get it. Not a gun rights issue, but for sheer "WTF?" factor. It would be like Greenpeace selling a JK at a Hyundai dealership.
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I get it. Not a gun rights issue, but for sheer "WTF?" factor. It would be like Greenpeace selling a JK at a Hyundai dealership.
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Anyone think they'd believe I lost my M4 in a tragic boating accident on a field loss memo? Hmm...lol
Lol. Give it a whirl.

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Transferable machine guns made or registered before May-19th 1986 are worth far more than their original, pre-1986 value. And items like registered “auto-sears,” “lightning-links,” trigger-packs, trunnions, and other “combination of parts” registered as machineguns before the aforementioned date are often worth nearly as much as a full registered machine gun. For instance, as of September 2008, a transferable*M16 rifle*costs approximately $11,000 to $18,000, while a transferable "lightning-link" for the*AR-15*can sell for $8,000 to $10,000. *****New manufacture M-16s sell to law enforcement and the military for around $600 to $1000.****

The 2nd says I can own what the govt does, at least as far as small arms, yet the govt says nope. Certainly not at the price We The People pay for them.
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They have never been illegal. The process of purchasing one is just a bit involved. They are fairly expensive due to limited supply, plus the additional tax.
Oops, you are correct. I meant to write illegal WITHOUT the class III.

BlueRidge, I can see what you are saying, my post wasn't meant as an attack on your posts specifically. I don't think it's strange that Walmart sells guns, but I can understand your perspective. What I find most irritating is the relatively common place misunderstanding of what assault rifles actually are and the misconception that anybody can go get a "AK-47" (because that's the only fully automatic weapon in the small minds of the anti-gun left) without any difficulties. I think we are all on the same side on the issue of gun rights.
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I get it. Not a gun rights issue, but for sheer "WTF?" factor. It would be like Greenpeace selling a JK at a Hyundai dealership.
Would they have higher tread lightly discounts?
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....What I find most irritating is the relatively common place misunderstanding of what assault rifles actually are and the misconception that anybody can go get a "AK-47" (because that's the only fully automatic weapon in the small minds of the anti-gun left) without any difficulties. I think we are all on the same side on the issue of gun rights.


I can buy an AR10 with 19rnd mags right now for 990$. It isn't by any standard, other than pistol grip (which imo and VAs opinion isn't a qualifier), an "assault firearm". Yet a Ruger 10/22 with ATI stock is one.

Which has the potential to cause more harm? And which one will be banned? Oh the sheeple...

Don't know if I made sense earlier today, Ive been drugged up and sleeping with the flu, so -
The 1934 National Firearms Act required registration of machine guns, thanks to prohibition gansters. Buy a stamp and you could buy one brand new. The 1986 Machine Gun Ban made it illegal to own any select fire made after 1986, which dramatically increased cost and decreased supply of available units. So now Colt can't sell you an m16 or m4 at all, while the govt can buy em for 1000$ or less ea. right off the factory floor. You have got to find a 25 year old firearm to transfer, not buy.
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While we're on the topic of department store gun sales....
Dicks sporting goods is pulling all AR15's and assault weapon "style" rifles...even including the AR22's the gsg 22's all that stuff.
Such a shame.
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I bought my husband an AK-47 for a wedding present and an AR-15 for his first fathers day...what a PITA! It's not an easy present to get as a surprise. He has good friends that helped me though. I sure am glad we have them
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Here's something to think about...I called around today to 7 or 8 of my main weapons/parts distributors looking for another stripped lower to add to the collection, and they all told me about the same thing...they're having a hard time keeping anything in stock due to the MASSIVE demand for those items right now. They're selling out of not only complete weapons, but also weapon kits and stripped lowers.

This tells me one very important thing...that the Liberals screaming "We're coming for your guns!" have done nothing more than create a LITTLE panic that's effectively put MORE TACTICAL RIFLES IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS. I don't think they planned on that.

By the way, I did succeed in purchasing yet another stripped lower for yet another AR build. It was touch and go there for a bit, but I succeeded in getting the last one I could find at a REASONABLE price. Probably going to do the 300 Whisper on this one. I have a Class III permit, so it'll end up suppressed like the rest of mine. THAT'LL piss off the nay-sayers...
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While we're on the topic of department store gun sales....
Dicks sporting goods is pulling all AR15's and assault weapon "style" rifles...even including the AR22's the gsg 22's all that stuff.
Such a shame.
Their choice to make.

Of course, shopping there is mine - and if that be the case, I choose not to. Midway, cheaper than dirt, armistead armory, and bullseyemarksmen club are all usually cheaper, too.
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I bought my husband an AK-47 for a wedding present and an AR-15 for his first fathers day...what a PITA! It's not an easy present to get as a surprise. He has good friends that helped me though. I sure am glad we have them
Funny, my sister-in-law bought a 30.06 rifle with 15rnd mags for my brother. Piece of cake. I guess it was because 15rnds of 30.06 isn't dangerous, but 30 rounds of 7.62 apparently is. Lmao.
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Funny, my sister-in-law bought a 30.06 rifle with 15rnd mags for my brother. Piece of cake. I guess it was because 15rnds of 30.06 isn't dangerous, but 30 rounds of 7.62 apparently is. Lmao.
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Their choice to make.

Of course, shopping there is mine - and if that be the case, I choose not to. Midway, cheaper than dirt, armistead armory, and bullseyemarksmen club are all usually cheaper, too.
I sent them a polite email letting them know that I will not be shopping there anymore due to the decisions they have made.
I was there yesterday looking at the AR22's and I should have grabbed one. I really wanted to but with Christmas and a Bahamas vacation for new years, and building another AR.... just can't swing it.
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Here's something to think about...I called around today to 7 or 8 of my main weapons/parts distributors looking for another stripped lower to add to the collection, and they all told me about the same thing...they're having a hard time keeping anything in stock due to the MASSIVE demand for those items right now. They're selling out of not only complete weapons, but also weapon kits and stripped lowers.

This tells me one very important thing...that the Liberals screaming "We're coming for your guns!" have done nothing more than create a LITTLE panic that's effectively put MORE TACTICAL RIFLES IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS. I don't think they planned on that.

By the way, I did succeed in purchasing yet another stripped lower for yet another AR build. It was touch and go there for a bit, but I succeeded in getting the last one I could find at a REASONABLE price. Probably going to do the 300 Whisper on this one. I have a Class III permit, so it'll end up suppressed like the rest of mine. THAT'LL piss off the nay-sayers...
Stupid bastards...
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Before someone calls it an "asault rifle", AR stands for Armalite Rifle (the company that designed it.) My SCAR 17 is a different story.
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I wasn't aware. I thought the AR in AR15 was assault rifle. The AR 15 in question (Colt LE6920) is semi auto. I thought the M4 was the fully automatic version of this AR15.
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Also the M4A1 is the automatic version. An M4 has burst.

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Buy a SCAR and really piss them off. This one actually does stand for "assault rifle". Special Ops Combat Assault Rifle.
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Buy a SCAR and really piss them off. This one actually does stand for "assault rifle". Special Ops Combat Assualt Rifle.
Have one in .308
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Me too, I mean, I used to before the unfortunate boating accident.
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Reading the news sites is just pissing me off atm. I was planning on building an AR when I got back from this deployment. It's looking like I should buy one right now and have it sent to someone in the states. This country is filled with a bunch of mouth breathing pussified sheeple. It's no wonder Obama got re-elected.
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Here's something to think about...I called around today to 7 or 8 of my main weapons/parts distributors looking for another stripped lower to add to the collection, and they all told me about the same thing...they're having a hard time keeping anything in stock due to the MASSIVE demand for those items right now. They're selling out of not only complete weapons, but also weapon kits and stripped lowers.

This tells me one very important thing...that the Liberals screaming "We're coming for your guns!" have done nothing more than create a LITTLE panic that's effectively put MORE TACTICAL RIFLES IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS. I don't think they planned on that.

By the way, I did succeed in purchasing yet another stripped lower for yet another AR build. It was touch and go there for a bit, but I succeeded in getting the last one I could find at a REASONABLE price. Probably going to do the 300 Whisper on this one. I have a Class III permit, so it'll end up suppressed like the rest of mine. THAT'LL piss off the nay-sayers...
I found (3) 80% lowers today for $120 each and stripped 100% lowers for $140 each. I like the 80's because they are not registered!!!
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Buy a SCAR and really piss them off. This one actually does stand for "assault rifle". Special Ops Combat Assault Rifle.
This one work?


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I bought my husband an AK-47 for a wedding present and an AR-15 for his first fathers day...what a PITA! It's not an easy present to get as a surprise. He has good friends that helped me though. I sure am glad we have them
What state was that in? I could walk into a gun shop here and be out the door with either rifle within about 15 minutes...
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What state was that in? I could walk into a gun shop here and be out the door with either rifle within about 15 minutes...
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