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Old 12-20-2012, 01:09 PM   #151
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Anyone know of a place that actually has an AR in stock? Looked at Buds and they seem to be cleaned out lol. Pretty much tempted to buy one and just have my FFL hold it until I get back from this deployment. Or even just a lower that I can piece together the rest after.


Couple local still, but nothing doin on the sites I frequent.

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Old 12-20-2012, 01:12 PM   #152
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Any of the Mini 14s I have come across in CA, were ranch style...and not on an AR platform. So maybe its illegal to own a Mini 14 converted to an AR platform . Although when they made hicap illegal here, the 20rd (I think) mag got grandfathered in...so maybe if you take an old Mini 14 and put it on an AR platform, you would be exempt...who knows in this crazy ass state.

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Different platform all together.

The mini is rotating bolt design adapted from the M1/M14. It is also piston operated.

The AR platform was specifically built to replace the M14, and uses a gas operation to help it achieve upwards of 800rnds a min.

You cannot build a "Mini-AR", but can equip them with folding stocks and pictanny rails, like the ATI stock allows.
This makes sense...however I havent seen a "tactical" mini 14 in CA either like you can buy from the factory...and it may all lead back to our silly button.

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BaHaHa. Sure is.
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MD has some wacky laws as well. A Mini 14 with an ATI folding stock is considered regulated and has a 7 day wait, same as a hand gun. A SCAR 17 (also a folding stock) is cash and carry. The reason? It's not on the "list".
7 days? Lucky We have to wait 10 days for ANY gun. We also have to pay for and pass a HSC test to buy a handgun

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This makes sense...however I havent seen a "tactical" mini 14 in CA either like you can buy from the factory...and it may all lead back to our silly button.
The "gun" part is identical. No differences at all. They hold the same mags, release them the same, and have similar barrels. The Govt Profile has no pistol grip, but does have a threaded barrel. The 20/CF (tactical) has a folding stock but (despite the pic) does not come with a m/b or threaded barrel. I was pissed about that. But you can take it out of the stock and fit it right into a walnut one.
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Field loss it is then if they pass a ban. They wanna **** me i'll **** them back

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The "gun" part is identical. No differences at all. They hold the same mags, release them the same, and have similar barrels. The Govt Profile has no pistol grip, but does have a threaded barrel. The 20/CF (tactical) has a folding stock but (despite the pic) does not come with a m/b or threaded barrel. I was pissed about that. But you can take it out of the stock and fit it right into a walnut one.
Mine did.
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And this Mini14 Target

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Is less dangerous than this 10/22


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Obviously. The plastic knife makes the .22 VERY dangerous. The Mini only has a harmonizer for longer shots, not a fancy plastic stabber.
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And this Mini14 Target

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Obviously.
I hear that plastic bayonett will do some damage
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I hear that plastic bayonett will do some damage
Could poke an eye out.
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Mine did.
What! Your 20/CF came with one? Now I am pissed again, lol. I had to buy my own and modify the... nevermind. It has a MUZZLE BRAKE now, cause flash suppresors are for bad guys.

Glad you got one the way they promised em! I did get mine right after they retooled for them, though.
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I bought it this past July, the day it arrived from the factory to my local dealer. Maybe yours was a conversion. Does the stock have a Ruger emblem or an ATI emblem?
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Nope. Ruger stamp on it, allegedly the only way to get the stamp is buy the whole gun that way. (I tried to convert myself, but I was hellbent on the 100$ Stamp)

Did you get aluminum rails wih it or do they still only do that as an upgrade? If so, I may just buy a new one, wait for the ban, then sell the old one - for 1500$! lmfao!
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Nope. Ruger stamp on it, allegedly the only way to get the stamp is buy the whole gun that way. (I tried to convert myself, but I was hellbent on the 100$ Stamp)

Did you get aluminum rails wih it or do they still only do that as an upgrade? If so, I may just buy a new one, wait for the ban, then sell the old one - for 1500$! lmfao!
Are you talking about the rails inside the stock or the picatinny rails?

I found a picture of it on this thread. First time on the range.
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Are you talking about the rails inside the stock or the picatinny rails?

I found a picture of it on this thread. First time on the range.
Mostly for the stock, I'm not to big on scout mounts. Mine came just like yours, with no birdcage.

You have a tapered barrel, yes? 581xxxx?

But again, I jumped on that joker when they were asking almost 1k$ for em. Didn't pay that, but they asked for it, lol.
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582XXX. I have the aluminum rails.
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Ah, it is starting to make sense. 580 is straight barrel & mini30, 581 is tapered barrel w/o m/b or alum, 582 is with them. Or something to that effect anyway (I know some tapereds are 580s).

Guess y'all can figure what I likes to shoot, lol. 1st gun was a Ruger, been a love affair ever since.
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Field loss it is then if they pass a ban. They wanna **** me i'll **** them back
Claiming a field loss will only get your battalion on lockdown. They'll lock down an entire Army base for a "field loss" on a weapon. There was another Infantry Company next to ours and a guy "lost" his NODS and they shut down the entire battalion. He CONVENIENTLY found them after 6 hours or so of sitting around the company. He thought he could get away with it. He was wrong.
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Yeah, Uncle Sam has a HUGE problem with you having equal firepower to him. Little "gun" syndrome.

Maybe they had to get all them guns collected so we could give... er, um, "sell" them to Egypt, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc, etc, etc.

I would put a laughing emoticon here, but it isn't funny.
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Claiming a field loss will only get your battalion on lockdown. They'll lock down an entire Army base for a "field loss" on a weapon. There was another Infantry Company next to ours and a guy "lost" his NODS and they shut down the entire battalion. He CONVENIENTLY found them after 6 hours or so of sitting around the company. He thought he could get away with it. He was wrong.
A Butter bar lost a m9 and had post locked down for 2 days, everyone was pissed
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While some states already have a ban list that will list certain weapons, ar, ak, fal ect. I will bet the law that come down from the fed willl be . No mag over 10 rds for pistol, and maybe rifle will be 15. (but i think it will be 10 also) And centerfire rifles can not have over 3 of the following evil features
Pistol grip
Detachable mag
Muzzle brake /threaded barrel
Bayonet lug
Forward grip
No rifle rounds .50 cal
Ect.

This will only apply to new manufacture weapons, others will be grandfathered.
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And there will be no preban receivers, if it was not built into a firearm by xxx date it will not count as a preban weapon.
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Claiming a field loss will only get your battalion on lockdown. They'll lock down an entire Army base for a "field loss" on a weapon. There was another Infantry Company next to ours and a guy "lost" his NODS and they shut down the entire battalion. He CONVENIENTLY found them after 6 hours or so of sitting around the company. He thought he could get away with it. He was wrong.
Lol I wouldn't actually do it. Not worth risking my career over.
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While some states already have a ban list that will list certain weapons, ar, ak, fal ect. I will bet the law that come down from the fed willl be . No mag over 10 rds for pistol, and maybe rifle will be 15. (but i think it will be 10 also) And centerfire rifles can not have over 3 of the following evil features
Pistol grip
Detachable mag
Muzzle brake /threaded barrel
Bayonet lug
Forward grip
No rifle rounds .50 cal
Ect.

This will only apply to new manufacture weapons, others will be grandfathered.
Very similar to the CT law (minus mag size limits) that was already on the books last week, which did what good exactly?

I'm pissed, and pray the House squashes that silly crap. Mag prices have TRIPLED since last week on gunbroker. A 20 rd CMI mag for an M1A was going for $35 or so last week, and you'd be lucky to find one for $100 today. The same with those eeevil black rifles.
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And there will be no preban receivers, if it was not built into a firearm by xxx date it will not count as a preban weapon.
A "registered" receiver is, for all intents and purposes, a firearm. The other parts are in no way regulated.

I am fairly certain they will attempt to mimic the 94 ban.
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A "registered" receiver is, for all intents and purposes, a firearm. The other parts are in no way regulated.

I am fairly certain they will attempt to mimic the 94 ban.
Your right, a receiver is a firearm but it is not a rifle or pistol ( in most states). The law will read "no rifle will be made with x parts after x date." A Receiver will have to be made into a rifle before the date of ban.
If you look at your 4473 there is a place just for receivers. This is by design after the last awb the ATF found that people had Pre Ban virgin receivers because they were logged as long guns, due to not having a "other" area for receivers on FFLs log forms.
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Oh I certainly understand you will still be going through the process of purchase, with Grandpa Jones walking you along.

My questions was, should you be able to buy hemmoroid creme, milk, a book, a new dvd player, cat food, frangible rounds, and an AR in the same place. With someone very unfamiliar with gun laws selling it (why they won't sell pistols, fyi). I mean they won't sell a Playboy or unedited CD.

Frangible rounds are not typical hunting rounds. I actually don't know of anyone who hunts with frangibles. The AR platform isn't any more dangerous than a sharp stick, but is easily adapted to a more serious role.

Ever heard of the slide fire stock? You may wanna rethink that semi auto comment and yes, I think frangible rounds are more serious than fmj or hp as they can't be removed. I think it should all be available, I just have no faith in the associates ability to sell to the right people.
What makes you think they're unfamiliar with gun laws? Is it only because they happen to work at a particular place? Heck, my wife was a sporting goods department manager at Wal-Mart for years. I hate to burst your bubble, but she was trained rather well on those laws, as well as the process of selling a firearm. As for the ammo, if it is legal to purchase, why shouldn't they sell it? I don't usually hunt with .45 caliber or 9mm hollowpoints, either. Does that mean they shouldn't sell it?
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I get it blue ridge .

I expect Wally World to sell toys and goofy drinking straws.

I don't expect toy stores to sell sex toys and don't expect amusement parks to sell something which purpose is to kill. It IS a bizarre place to buy a gun... Especially for those of us who have respect for handling guns -.
I can remember buying guns at Western Auto, and a hardware store. What's wrong with selling a legal product at a retail store? I don't see a thing wrong with it, and I've owned guns for 40 years, hold a CCDW, and respect firearms more than most. Who am I to tell ANY place of business what they can and can't sell? After all, it is their right to do so, just as it is my right to purchase that item. And I've killed a lot of paper with those items, along with a few tasty critters.
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So you don't find it weird a place that refuses obscene music sales because they are influentally negative sells assault rifles (by legal definition)? A place you can be fired for 1 f-word at work. A place employees can't leave locked firearms in their POV. Interesting.

I do find it weird. In the same way, to use your analogy, that I find it weird a 12yo can walk into spencers in the mall for aforementioned socks and see items geared at 18+ crowds. Not illegal, but weird.

Oh well.
Where do you get that the employees can't have firearms in their vehicles? They can here. It's a state law in Kentucky. No employer can forbid it.


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