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Old 02-27-2009, 03:45 PM   #1
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Compact Carry pistol thread

Alright guys, I am looking to get a new compact pistol for carry purposes. I have it narrowed down to the glock 23 (.40) and the springfield xdm .40. Do any of you have one of these and if so how do you like them? The reason I choses these was because of price, reiliability, weight, and high capacity magazine capability.

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Probably can't go wrong with either of those. I have the GLOCK 27 in .40 for CC and love it. With compact pistols in good calibers like .40, I see no reason to compromise and carry a .380, .32, .25 etc. Don't skimp on the holster either.

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I carry a Glock 26 (9mm) w/ NS - Great CCW weapon - I've probably laid over a thousand rounds down that barrel and have never had a single jam or misfire.

Due to my size and frame, I'm considering picking up a Ruger LCP .380 but will need to put it through it's paces before determining wheter or not I want to put my life behind it. .380 is the minimum for personal defense IMO but even then you need to be sure to use the right ammo, many people even feel that's too light.
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I LOVE springfield armory, and I LOVE my XD. I have never held a Glock that fit my hand right and pointed natural for me. With that said, I'm not sure I would call the XDm a "compact conceal carry" firearm. The XDm has a 4.5" barrel and a full size grip. It is pretty thin because of the new polymer they used, sure, but its still no compact but any stretch. The only thing close to "compact" by Springfield would be the XD .40 compact with the shorter grip. The compact comes with short flush mags, as well as mags with an extension that make them the same as a normal XD40 4". With that said, the glock 23 is not compact either. Both the glock 23 and the XDm are designed as competition, range, and full size professional EDC firearms. Not necessarily something you are meant to try and tuck behind your hip and under a shirt

As far as which one? Go to the store, hold both, shoot both, make love to both, and choose the one that sets off sparks in your brain when you use it. One will point where you want it to, ever time and feel like it was made for your hand. The other will not. Both may not, and than its time to keep looking. Which one that is, is simply up to you. No firearm is perfect for everyone. You can't go wrong with either though, which ever one does happen to fit you best.
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I LOVE springfield armory, and I LOVE my XD. I have never held a Glock that fit my hand right and pointed natural for me. With that said, I'm not sure I would call the XDm a "compact conceal carry" firearm. The XDm has a 4.5" barrel and a full size grip. It is pretty thin because of the new polymer they used, sure, but its still no compact but any stretch. The only thing close to "compact" by Springfield would be the XD .40 compact with the shorter grip. The compact comes with short flush mags, as well as mags with an extension that make them the same as a normal XD40 4". With that said, the glock 23 is not compact either. Both the glock 23 and the XDm are designed as competition, range, and full size professional EDC firearms. Not necessarily something you are meant to try and tuck behind your hip and under a shirt

As far as which one? Go to the store, hold both, shoot both, make love to both, and choose the one that sets off sparks in your brain when you use it. One will point where you want it to, ever time and feel like it was made for your hand. The other will not. Both may not, and than its time to keep looking. Which one that is, is simply up to you. No firearm is perfect for everyone. You can't go wrong with either though, which ever one does happen to fit you best.
Actually, the glock is classified as compact. Both are sub 7" as well.
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I love my Glock 23. However, depending on how often you plan on carrying it, something smaller might be better. If you carry every day (like I do) it can be a pain to wear something to conceal it, especially in the summer. I have a S&W 38 Airweight and a .380 Ruger LCP that I can put in the front pocket of a pair of shorts. They are both ultra-concealable and with the right Ammo (I recomend Ranger SXT) it will do the job just fine. Good luck on your search.
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I love my Glock 23. However, depending on how often you plan on carrying it, something smaller might be better. If you carry every day (like I do) it can be a pain to wear something to conceal it, especially in the summer. I have a S&W 38 Airweight and a .380 Ruger LCP that I can put in the front pocket of a pair of shorts. They are both ultra-concealable and with the right Ammo (I recomend Ranger SXT) it will do the job just fine. Good luck on your search.
I don't plan on carrrying it often. I just want to know that I can unlike with my colt .45
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A 1911 will be easier to conceal for most people than a double stack service pistol.
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A 1911 will be easier to conceal for most people than a double stack service pistol.
Thanks for the input guys, I'm going to start looking today.
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Glock for sure, im not a fan of the Springfield xdm.

but of course I would take a 1911 over any of those ANYDAY!
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I LOVE springfield armory, and I LOVE my XD. I have never held a Glock that fit my hand right and pointed natural for me. With that said, I'm not sure I would call the XDm a "compact conceal carry" firearm. The XDm has a 4.5" barrel and a full size grip. It is pretty thin because of the new polymer they used, sure, but its still no compact but any stretch. The only thing close to "compact" by Springfield would be the XD .40 compact with the shorter grip. The compact comes with short flush mags, as well as mags with an extension that make them the same as a normal XD40 4". With that said, the glock 23 is not compact either. Both the glock 23 and the XDm are designed as competition, range, and full size professional EDC firearms. Not necessarily something you are meant to try and tuck behind your hip and under a shirt

As far as which one? Go to the store, hold both, shoot both, make love to both, and choose the one that sets off sparks in your brain when you use it. One will point where you want it to, ever time and feel like it was made for your hand. The other will not. Both may not, and than its time to keep looking. Which one that is, is simply up to you. No firearm is perfect for everyone. You can't go wrong with either though, which ever one does happen to fit you best.
How do you like your beretta PX4? I really like the flip safety on it. I am not sure how comfortable I feel with just a trigger safety on the glocks and the grip safety on the springfields.

Anybody have any experience with H&K's or Sig's?
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I love my PX4. Mine is an earlier release, and .40 cal, so it has some trigger sting when cold like most polymer .40s in there early stages, but I love everything else about it. Just another one of those handguns that fits ME perfectly.

As far as the safety goes, it's nice I guess. I bought this PX4 before my XD, and I thought the same way for awhile. I just wasn't comfortable without a thumb safety. I ended up grabbing an XD in 9mm for cheaper target ammo, and because I couldn't turn away from a handgun that fit me as well as the XD does. I just told myself it would be a range only gun, and I would just have to be careful. Turns out, it really doesn't matter. I was taught good safety stuff when I first started shooting at a young age, and have good trigger finger habits. After having the XD for a little while, I feel MORE safe with the XD, than the Px4. The XD is not going to go off if I drop it, and its not going to go off if something snags the trigger unless the grip safety is full decompressed. Basically, unless you are holding the firearm properly with a tight grip, and pull the trigger, its not going off. Seems simple enough, but its hard to see just how safe the firearm really is until you own or shoot one. I feel SAFER with the XD, because I DON'T have a safety to fumble with. If, god forbid, something did happen and I needed to draw my XD, I don't have to worry about if I chambered a round or not, which way the safety should be etc. etc. I draw the firearm, and look for the shiny pin sticking out the back (actually the back of the striker) of the slide, and I KNOW its ready to go. Hard to explain, but I grab that 9mm XD before that PX4 every time, no matter how much I like the Beretta.
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How do you like your beretta PX4? I really like the flip safety on it. I am not sure how comfortable I feel with just a trigger safety on the glocks and the grip safety on the springfields.

Anybody have any experience with H&K's or Sig's?
H&Ks are wayyyy over priced when you can get a glock that I like better for cheaper.

But sigs are a whole new machine, they are a very nice gun i'd take one over a glock
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Sigs and HK's are nice firearms. I would never buy one, but they are nice. I have a buddy who is obsessed with firearms (No, I really mean obsessed..) and swears by his HK USP .45. He sold ALL of his handguns, and most of his long guns, and that was the handgun he decided to keep. He sold enough hardware that he didn't work for 2.5 years, and for 6 months after that, all his money from work went to beer. His firearm sales paid ALL his bills for 3 years, total. He sold em dirt cheap too. I remember him selling a Daewoo .223 AK/AR hybrid, never fired, for $600.

A lot of guys I know that are HEAVY into buying and shooting hardware, swear by HKs/Sigs. They have always shot well for me, but none of them fit my well. The HKs are always way too big, and the sigs just never point right for me. Otherwise they are great firearms, although a little overpriced if you ask me. Course, you can get Sigs as CPOs for dirt cheap... at least you could before the rush.
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The key here is how they fit your hand and how they point for you. Both the Glock and Springfield are fantastic and reliable firearms. They both will do the job that you need them to. Make sure to pick them up, hold them in your hand/s for a while. See what feels best to you. If their is a local range that rents guns, see if you can try them out. I worked behind a gun counter for years and I've seen too many people make their decision on how the gun looked or what their friends have. If neither feel right, try something else out. It should feel natural like an extension of your arm when you are holding it.
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Glock for sure, im not a fan of the Springfield xdm.

but of course I would take a 1911 over any of those ANYDAY!



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YES! Another person like me that doesn't think glocks are gods gift to man
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YES! Another person like me that doesn't think glocks are gods gift to man
Hey, add me to the list. Is it a good design? Sure, but it could have been executed better. I have never been a fan or a firearm that flexes if you squeeze it together. BUT, without the invention of the Glock, we wouldn't have a lot of the firearms we have today, like the XD/XDm.

Either way, the darn things never fit my hand right, so I never bothered with em. I don't really have anything against, not a whole lot about them I like too much either, but I just can't stand the people that run around ranges or shops and swear on a bible the Glock is the best handgun ever designed (past/present/future) ,period.
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Me either I cant stand how a glock feels.

the 1911 fits my hand like no other gun does. I love em I dont have one right now but my next gun will be a Kimber custom 1911
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I love my PX4. Mine is an earlier release, and .40 cal, so it has some trigger sting when cold like most polymer .40s in there early stages, but I love everything else about it. Just another one of those handguns that fits ME perfectly.

As far as the safety goes, it's nice I guess. I bought this PX4 before my XD, and I thought the same way for awhile. I just wasn't comfortable without a thumb safety. I ended up grabbing an XD in 9mm for cheaper target ammo, and because I couldn't turn away from a handgun that fit me as well as the XD does. I just told myself it would be a range only gun, and I would just have to be careful. Turns out, it really doesn't matter. I was taught good safety stuff when I first started shooting at a young age, and have good trigger finger habits. After having the XD for a little while, I feel MORE safe with the XD, than the Px4. The XD is not going to go off if I drop it, and its not going to go off if something snags the trigger unless the grip safety is full decompressed. Basically, unless you are holding the firearm properly with a tight grip, and pull the trigger, its not going off. Seems simple enough, but its hard to see just how safe the firearm really is until you own or shoot one. I feel SAFER with the XD, because I DON'T have a safety to fumble with. If, god forbid, something did happen and I needed to draw my XD, I don't have to worry about if I chambered a round or not, which way the safety should be etc. etc. I draw the firearm, and look for the shiny pin sticking out the back (actually the back of the striker) of the slide, and I KNOW its ready to go. Hard to explain, but I grab that 9mm XD before that PX4 every time, no matter how much I like the Beretta.
I have also been shooting at a very young age. I started about the same time I could walk...not literally but pretty close. The problem is I have never put near as much time into pistols as I have into rifles/shotguns/archery. I am just now getting into them even though I have owned a few pistols for several years. I have held the PX4, Glock, XDM, and a Sig. So far, the XDM is "taking the cake". I am going out looking again this weekend and will look at a more extensive pistol display at a few other gun shops.
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Haven't read through the whole thread but I promise I'll get back to it. But the Glock 27 is awesome. My wife still brings up how she missed it and isn't too happy I sold it.
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Txjustin, don't be afraid to look at other pistols as well, if one of those three doesn't fit you perfect.

Also, remember the Beretta and the XDm have adjustable backstraps. If you are serious about buying, make sure you have the store put the different backstraps on, and see if it makes it any better.
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Txjustin, don't be afraid to look at other pistols as well, if one of those three doesn't fit you perfect.

Also, remember the Beretta and the XDm have adjustable backstraps. If you are serious about buying, make sure you have the store put the different backstraps on, and see if it makes it any better.
I appreciate all the help guys especially you JC!! I am gonna hit up Carters Country this weekend and they have a ton of pistols at pretty good prices.
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A lot of good recommendations here.

Consider the following:
1. Look at gun width, especially for conceal carry.
2. Consider feel of the grip in YOUR hand.
3. Consider safeties or processes you'll need to do to fire, load, unload, safe, etc

No one gun is going to be perfect for everybody. I have my preference, but it may not work as well for you.

Doublestack grips will not conceal on me at all. My wife has certain requirements that any of my guns must meet, most notably external safety devices other than my finger on the trigger or my brain. It gives her assurance the gun won't go bang unless I specifically tell it to do so. There are only a few designs that meet that requirement, so my choices are a bit limited.

But try the Glocks, XD/m's, M&P's, and the 1911's. I may also suggest Walther (PPS in 9mm or .40), Sig, and H&K. Go with what works for you. THEN be sure to train and practice with whatever you choose so you are comfortable using it and how it operates/feels.
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A lot of good recommendations here.

Consider the following:
1. Look at gun width, especially for conceal carry.
2. Consider feel of the grip in YOUR hand.
3. Consider safeties or processes you'll need to do to fire, load, unload, safe, etc

No one gun is going to be perfect for everybody. I have my preference, but it may not work as well for you.

Doublestack grips will not conceal on me at all. My wife has certain requirements that any of my guns must meet, most notably external safety devices other than my finger on the trigger or my brain. It gives her assurance the gun won't go bang unless I specifically tell it to do so. There are only a few designs that meet that requirement, so my choices are a bit limited.

But try the Glocks, XD/m's, M&P's, and the 1911's. I may also suggest Walther (PPS in 9mm or .40), Sig, and H&K. Go with what works for you. THEN be sure to train and practice with whatever you choose so you are comfortable using it and how it operates/feels.
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erickpl made a good point that I meant to mention earlier when I was talking about how these full size service pistols aren't really "compacts." Grip LENGTH, as well as width, plays a big part in concealing a pistol. Slide length doesn't much matter, that's going to be inside your paints anyway, and pants are usually pretty thick. It's the grip length and width that make or break a CC pistol. If it sticks up too high, it can hurt when you sit down, bend over etc. If its too short, it can effect your shooting negatively. Too thick, and its hard to conceal, too thin and you loose capacity (if that's important to you, to most people its not) etc. etc.

When you go to the store to see what fits your hand well and to make your list of what you would like to shoot before you decide on one, see if you can find a store that will allow you to try and holster and conceal the ones that you REALLY like. Make sure you can hide them, and they are comfortable IWB. Otherwise you will be stuck with a pistol that you may love, but you need to carry shoulder holster, genital holster , fanny pack, etc. etc.

Do yourself a favor, and check out the standard XDs while you are there. Particularly the XD9 Sub Compact, and XD 40/45 Compacts. They have SHORT grips that are easier to conceal, but come with 1 short flush magazine for CCW and one full size magazine with a grip extension to make them the same size as the standard XDs. The M&P compacts do this as well, although I am not a fan of the pinky extention. YRMV
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If I owned one, I'd tell you how much I like my Kimber Ultra Carry II.



"Ultra Carry .45 ACP pistols weigh just 25 ounces. With a 3-inch barrel they are easy to carry and conceal."

But being that I live in California and don't own guns, I really can't tell you how nice it handles, or how much better I like it over the Kimber Compact that I would have carried if I had one....
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thats exactly the one I am looking at Unlimited
I narrowed it down to the Pro Carry 2 or the Kimber Pro Eclipse 2
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I loved my Kimber I had a stainless Custom TLE II. Had to dump it just a few months after I got it I have heard rumors of the newer production Kimber's having problems with rust, even before they are sold. Since I didn't have mine that long, I cannot comment other than it was by far my favorite pistol, and I regret having to get rid of it every time I see a firearm Anyway, unlimited and RatherB are right. A commander or officer 1911 is an excellent CCW firearm, but they certainly carry a heavier admission price than a glock, xdm or the like.
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I like the Kimber full length barrels. The compact carrys are nice but I still like the little bit longer barrel. You'll get used to carrying it

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