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Old 07-30-2013, 09:02 AM   #1
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Curious for those in CCP friendly States

I live in the southeastern corner of Pennsylvania, which is a CCP friendly state, but borders on Maryland and Delaware which are not so much. I recently attended a Utah CCP class so I could get it and carry legally in DE. The class was given not far from my house and everyone in attendance(about 20 people) were PA residents. Early in the class the instructor asked how many had a PA CCP? The entire class raised their hand. An hour or so later in the class he asked how many were carrying right then? Only about 4 of us raised our hands. I, personally, found this disturbing. I know from scouring the forums here a little that there are a number of military, police, and just in general gun lovers on here so I was curious how many of you thinks that is a disturbing percentage also? If you have the ability to legally carry, why would you not? In case you are wondering my views the attached article sums it up better than I ever could.
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Variety of reasons. I'm not carrying currently because I work on a federal installation. Can't even bring it on base. The penalty for doing so is not worth me losing it.

Other than that, perhaps people had other places to be before or after. Perhaps they left the firearm secured in the vehicle during the class.

While a sheep dog is always a sheep dog, they don't always wear collars and leashes. It doesn't change who they are.

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Variety of reasons. I'm not carrying currently because I work on a federal installation. Can't even bring it on base. The penalty for doing so is not worth me losing it.

Other than that, perhaps people had other places to be before or after. Perhaps they left the firearm secured in the vehicle during the class.

While a sheep dog is always a sheep dog, they don't always wear collars and leashes. It doesn't change who they are.
pretty much this.
i know quite a few people who have their carry permits, but do not carry that often because they are often in places where carrying is not permited.
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Because I don't always want to carry. I'm not sure why I have to have a reason beyond that.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:51 AM   #5
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I carry everywhere. Unless it violates HR218, then I don't go there. As a LEO, assigned the most gang infested, dangerous county in the state, well yep I carry.

My wife and I have code words for her to take my son and haul it to a safe zone. When I am off someone else is on, but I am still bound to protect the innocent even when off. (my family comes first however, when I am off.)
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Thanks all for the input and agreed on the only carrying where legal. I don't carry at work either because I work in Maryland but always feel "naked" down here. I'm sure a lot of that comes from carrying for so long in the Marines also.

And you don't need any other reason KittyPrawn. My apologies if you felt I was condeming you for not carrying. It is as much your right not to as mine to carry. As the title mentioned I was just curious based on how I and some others feel.
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As I understand, there are 48 concealed carry laws (beyond that you have to worry about transporting your weapon) and each one speaks to reciprocity, or the lack of it, with the permits granted in other states . It's a Rubics Cube if you travel...
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Do I find that (percentage of carry) disturbing? No, not at all, particularly there.

Do I CC? Not anymore, I did when I drove around ATL with pockets of cash and a sign that read "Rob Me".

Do I OC? Rarely. Typically only in the backcountry woods.

Why? Because I want to (or don't - or whatever). I also choose to carry a good first aid kit, but do not expect all others to do so as well.

If everyone had a pistol I would feel no safer than if nobody had one, and vice versa. I suppose I should add that I really do not like pistols to begin with.
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New Alabama law went into effect today allowing people to leave firearms in cars while at work (used to be at discretion of the employer, but I'd say what they do/don't know won't hurt them).

But since I'm still on a federal installation, still can't carry to/from work as we go through access gates each day and subject to inspection at any time. With the new law now in effect, I'm sure there will be some moron thinking they can carry their firearm on base. Guarantee it. LOL Would suck to be them.
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Id also have to point out... most of those CCP classes have clauses on the signup that say "Do not bring your weapon to class". Thats how it was for me in CO at least.
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I don't because I can't

I can't since MD is a won't (errr. . . . I mean MAY) issue state. Just see my profile for thoughts on that.

But even if I could, I work for a local school system. Obviously, prohibited in schools for non- leo's.

I open carry when on my property 1) Because I can and 2) Because it REALLY freaks out the Jehova Witnesses and other solicitors who stop by and 3) it drives my ultra-lib neighbor absolutely NUTS!
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Id also have to point out... most of those CCP classes have clauses on the signup that say "Do not bring your weapon to class". Thats how it was for me in CO at least.
In VA, the class I took included range time, so they wanted you to bring your weapon. Granted, this was before I had my CCP and a class designed specifically to get it. I couldn't conceal carry it at that time anyway, so I don't know if classes after CCP designation have different rules.
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If its just me running around I usually don't unless I'm going some place I'm not sure of but if the wife or any of my family are with me. I'm packing. Plus my 9mm stays in the Jeep and my 38 stays in my wifes truck, so something is always handy.
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Last time I checked as long as the amo and gun are not together you could bring your gun on to a federal installation(base/post). I carry as often as I can, even now with all the shootings that have happened in the past few years. It has even got my wife on board as well. I would not say I was disturbed but disappointed.
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Last time I checked as long as the amo and gun are not together you could bring your gun on to a federal installation(base/post). I carry as often as I can, even now with all the shootings that have happened in the past few years. It has even got my wife on board as well. I would not say I was disturbed but disappointed.
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Last time I checked as long as the amo and gun are not together you could bring your gun on to a federal installation(base/post). I carry as often as I can, even now with all the shootings that have happened in the past few years. It has even got my wife on board as well. I would not say I was disturbed but disappointed.
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That's no fun, have you seen the good news for NC CCP holders? https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blo..._Optin2_8-6-13
In short it allows you to carry just about anywhere(bar,club) and have a gun in your car when on school grounds.
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I did see that. My son is stationed in NC and was great news for him and me when I visit.
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I carry everywhere I'm legally allowed to carry. Sometimes I just plain forget, and sometimes I just don't feel like it, but most of the time I have a gun on me. It's like a seat belt. Once you get used to having it, you feel unprepared and uncomfortable without it. At this point, I can't imagine living some place that didn't allow you to carry.

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