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Old 01-07-2011, 07:07 AM   #1
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Defense cuts....

Defense secretary announces billions in budget cuts - CNN.com

And guess who's probably on the chopping block.

Of course, the new house means I can't relocate. And the new mortgage, new Jeep loan, new account for an engagement ring, and I just spent $1200 last week on emergency vet bills because my awesome-yet-dumbass dog chewed through the childproof lid on a bottle of Advil and ate the entire contents.

Bah. I gotta go update my resume.

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That sucks dude best of luck to you. Out of the LAST things we need to cut is defense. I hate this administration.

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According to everything that I have read the cuts wouldn't start until 2015. And, remember, there is now a Republican Senate that it has to pass through. Don't think the cuts will be as drastic as O'Bummer wants. This is the reason that I am retiring.
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According to everything that I have read the cuts wouldn't start until 2015. And, remember, there is now a Republican Senate that it has to pass through. Don't think the cuts will be as drastic as O'Bummer wants. This is the reason that I am retiring.
Much of the military personnel cuts may not be until 2015, but I'm on the contractor side. The word from above here is that if our project is selected, we can expect a stop work order from the Army as early as the beginning of February, although hopefully the red tape will give us another couple of weeks.
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Republicans cut military budgets too. George H.W. Bush did it in the late 80's on recommendations from then Defense Sec. Dick Cheney.

I know this because I had less than a year left in the Navy and they decommisioned my ship. That meant I had to transfer to a new ship and requalify for everything I had already achieved dammit.

But... best of luck to you.
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According to everything that I have read the cuts wouldn't start until 2015. And, remember, there is now a Republican Senate that it has to pass through. Don't think the cuts will be as drastic as O'Bummer wants. This is the reason that I am retiring.
My job as a defense contractor ends 1 June, Thanks obama. Whatever, I have already opened a real estate business in Indy. I am no longer on the government teat.
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According to everything that I have read the cuts wouldn't start until 2015. And, remember, there is now a Republican Senate that it has to pass through. Don't think the cuts will be as drastic as O'Bummer wants. This is the reason that I am retiring.
The Senate is still Democratic. Also, the Pentagon is government, so plenty of wasteful spending there as well. If you are serious about deficit reduction everything needs to get pinched. The military budget is currently higher than it was during W.'s years.

I am truly sorry about about the original poster's job loss.
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This country is really going to hell......Why dont we just seal off the borders,bring everyone home.Quit sending money to all the other countries,Cut off China,and take care of our own people first.
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This country is really going to hell......Why dont we just seal off the borders,bring everyone home.Quit sending money to all the other countries,Cut off China,and take care of our own people first.
+1 I'm sick off all the government bureaucracy and how we have to be the world police. I just want to take my jeep and move to Australia. They never have issues except for the whole internet censorship thing but still.
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Defense cuts = weak military
Weak military + the idiots in DC + less people in the long run to defend this country
All that = my need to load my weapon and stand ready to defend this land if invaded
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i always subscribed to " speak softly and carry a big stick" t. roosevelt. so lets see if i understand this, 9/11 and and and more yet to come, north korea and a nuke program, iran and a nuke program, middle east is still a hot spot, we send millions if not billions of dollars in foreign aid out of the country, and much more that i could list, and we are cutting our military causing more unemployment, many vets will not find jobs. gov't suppliers will lay off people, and so on, may be we should call england and tell them we made a mistake and prince harry and future bride will come over and and r establish the "crown". please, some one explain all this to me and how in this world a smaller military solves any problem.
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This country is really going to hell......Why dont we just seal off the borders,bring everyone home.Quit sending money to all the other countries,Cut off China,and take care of our own people first.


hypocritical much? Just took a look at your Jeep profile

SRC front bumper - China
Smitty rear bumper - China

Least you have a WARN bumper, but the fact is you yourself have no problem cheapening out. And that's really okay because low-cost manufacturing goes to industrializing countries. In a free market there is no way around that.

And I can't understand what everyone wants. Everyone cries for lower taxes and a smaller federal government - but when that happens that everyone wants to cry foul play! In 2010, roughly 20% of the federal budget went to defense spending. I hate to tell you but when spending gets cut, people do lose contracts.

So when spending increases people call Obama a socialist. When the government contracts he's the scum of the earth. What do you people want and how are you proposing the government fix it?

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Do you read Australian news regularly? They face regular budget (including defense) deficits and have had to slide back on proposed programs. Not to mention, recent flooding has caused numerous economic headaches for investors and the population.
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I just want to take my jeep and move to Australia. They never have issues except for the whole internet censorship thing but still.
And that thing about banning guns kinda sucks too.
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And that thing about banning guns kinda sucks too.
For sure, that's not exactly working out well.
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i always subscribed to " speak softly and carry a big stick" t. roosevelt. so lets see if i understand this, 9/11 and and and more yet to come, north korea and a nuke program, iran and a nuke program, middle east is still a hot spot, we send millions if not billions of dollars in foreign aid out of the country, and much more that i could list, and we are cutting our military causing more unemployment, many vets will not find jobs. gov't suppliers will lay off people, and so on, may be we should call england and tell them we made a mistake and prince harry and future bride will come over and and r establish the "crown". please, some one explain all this to me and how in this world a smaller military solves any problem.


And just for the record this man is NOT me under a different name Although without even a pm I can tell this man is retired military, probably from either the Nam ear of the Regan era like me
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i always subscribed to " speak softly and carry a big stick" t. roosevelt. so lets see if i understand this, 9/11 and and and more yet to come, north korea and a nuke program, iran and a nuke program, middle east is still a hot spot, we send millions if not billions of dollars in foreign aid out of the country, and much more that i could list, and we are cutting our military causing more unemployment, many vets will not find jobs. gov't suppliers will lay off people, and so on, may be we should call england and tell them we made a mistake and prince harry and future bride will come over and and r establish the "crown". please, some one explain all this to me and how in this world a smaller military solves any problem.
Because you're in an era where many other nations are consolidating or scaling back their military. The only major international war going on right now is in Iraq and Afghanistan - lead by the United States. Iran is an economic powerhouse in the Middle East and given their ties to foreign oil consumption and the financial hub of Tehran, despite the threats that Ahmademinjad will make from time to time - they're not likely to attack anyone including Israel anytime soon. And North Korea has already backed down on its missile-program stance. The United States is the largest contributor of food and ration aid to the country and the gov. knows that if those supplies stop then the people are eventually going to revolt against their own government. China is too tied up in the west economically to start a war. Russia's only conflict is with neighboring smaller European areas like South Ossetia - and even then, a conflict means an oil-export cutoff. There are no other powerhouses who are looking to start a war given how ingrained globalization has become. It only makes sense for the US to retract spending on military spending and either shrink the budget or reallocate it towards revitalizing other industries and sectors.
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It may be true that China is too tied up in the west to start a conflict, but it's more than a coincidence that in the last few days as we announced huge defense spending cuts, China unveiled for the world to see, their new J-20 stealth fighter jet, and their guided missiles they have dubbed "carrier killers". Their worried Asian neighbors are leaning on us to step up our engagement in the area. Japan and China have been clashing lately because China has been entering Japanese territory with aircraft and naval vessels. They (China) are definitely flexing their military might, and the so called "carrier killers" have been developed to supposedly neutralize any influence we may have should a conflict break out in that part of the world.
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Because you're in an era where many other nations are consolidating or scaling back their military. The only major international war going on right now is in Iraq and Afghanistan - lead by the United States. Iran is an economic powerhouse in the Middle East and given their ties to foreign oil consumption and the financial hub of Tehran, despite the threats that Ahmademinjad will make from time to time - they're not likely to attack anyone including Israel anytime soon. And North Korea has already backed down on its missile-program stance. The United States is the largest contributor of food and ration aid to the country and the gov. knows that if those supplies stop then the people are eventually going to revolt against their own government. China is too tied up in the west economically to start a war. Russia's only conflict is with neighboring smaller European areas like South Ossetia - and even then, a conflict means an oil-export cutoff. There are no other powerhouses who are looking to start a war given how ingrained globalization has become. It only makes sense for the US to retract spending on military spending and either shrink the budget or reallocate it towards revitalizing other industries and sectors.
And yet a strong defense is STILL needed to combat the enemies of the United States, ESPECIALLY the muslim threat that we have allowed to come here and wait. Our troops should be HERE in America ready to fight the war that certain religions are planning against us from within.
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^^ that's so true lol
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Budget cuts are what happen when folks demand lower taxes, smaller government and accountability of ALL tax dollars.

To those who somehow believed that cuts would only happen to THOSE programs, rather than th ones you support...enjoy the reality of what YOU demanded.

And it is going to get worse, not because of Obama or the Republicans but simple math. The phrase "be careful what you ask for" applies.
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And yet a strong defense is STILL needed to combat the enemies of the United States, ESPECIALLY the muslim threat that we have allowed to come here and wait. Our troops should be HERE in America ready to fight the war that certain religions are planning against us from within.
The rest of the world views terrorist acts as law enforcement problems, not military. We should too. We have proven over the past nine years that the military can't solve the terrorism problem with traditional military doctrine. Asymmetrical warfare with an undefined enemy is more in the rhelm of FBI NSA CIA.
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The rest of the world views terrorist acts as law enforcement problems, not military. We should too. We have proven over the past nine years that the military can't solve the terrorism problem with traditional military doctrine. Asymmetrical warfare with an undefined enemy is more in the rhelm of FBI NSA CIA.
You think law enforcement can combat terrorists when the most powerful nation can't?
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You think law enforcement can combat terrorists when the most powerful nation can't?
The military is designed to fight wars. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are designed to prevent and investigate crime. Using the armed forces to prevent a terrorist attack executed by a small group is akin to burning your house down to prevent a roach problem, expensive, messy, lots of collateral damage and no way to be sure you got them all.
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Obviously now days since law enforcement and intelligence can't do their jobs I believe military intelligence would do a better job, and that is saying a lot coming from me cause when I was active duty I fully believed that military intelligence was an oxy-moron
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And yet a strong defense is STILL needed to combat the enemies of the United States, ESPECIALLY the muslim threat that we have allowed to come here and wait. Our troops should be HERE in America ready to fight the war that certain religions are planning against us from within.
This is so true, the threat should never be under-estimated. They've made it clear their goal is world domination and we're letting them get away with it. Mosques are going up in America faster than MacDonalds, and this country is so damned politically correct that we have our heads in the sand.

The last 2 years right after September 11th I asked my 6th grader if any of her teachers mentioned the aniversary of the terrorist attacks .Of course not. It's a public school. We're too damn complacent.

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The military is designed to fight wars. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are designed to prevent and investigate crime. Using the armed forces to prevent a terrorist attack executed by a small group is akin to burning your house down to prevent a roach problem, expensive, messy, lots of collateral damage and no way to be sure you got them all.
The problem with this statement is, this is a war unlike any conventional war, and we are not dealing with a "small group".
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You think law enforcement can combat terrorists when the most powerful nation can't?
Serious question, not trying to step in any toes, but as I am not American, do you Americans really refer to themselves as the "most powerful nation"?
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You think law enforcement can combat terrorists when the most powerful nation can't?
I have always been taught, whether by my dad or by the military or by corporate that you use the right tool for the job.

We have proven that the military is not the right tool for fighting terrorism. That does not mean, by any stretch that they are doing something "wrong", simply that they are not trained to play "whack-a-mole".

Our national LEO [FBI, NSA, CIA, DIA, Customs], International intelligence agencies are much better suited at the task of digging up the information that hunts down terrorists. There is a place for the military in that philosophy, just not as primary.
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Serious question, not trying to step in any toes, but as I am not American, do you Americans really refer to themselves as the "most powerful nation"?
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