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Old 09-20-2009, 06:37 PM   #1
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Angry Disappointing Marine Recruitment Expereince

so my best friend is 28 yrs old, has a master's degree in architecture and has found himself unable to find a job. he's decided he wants to join the military, using his education possibly in the service, and possibly gaining some military expereince to possibly apply for the fbi in the future.

anywho, he's at a marine recruitment office in chicago, and the (african american) recruiter says let me get my superior on the phone since you have this education and want to be an officer. recruiter makes the phone call on speaker phone: "superior" on the other end after getting some info asks, while on speaker phone unknowingly: "is he white?" recruiter says "yes" so called superior on the other line says: "i don't want any white guys"

i don't have words for this.

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why do things need to come down to black and white? what freaking difference does it make? is one particular race, creed or color more or less likely to be as good at the job? if someone wants to serve his/her country what f-ing difference does it make? also why the f--- is is ok for this guy to ask that question? if your friend were to ask, "Is he a black guy?" and then respond, "I don't want any black guys." there would be a complete uproar and he would need to make a public apology and be demoted and the list just goes on. why is there a double standard? it seems like the current most oppressed individuals are white males. i know i may get chasticed for that, but seriously. white males cannot make jokes about any race or gender w/o being seen as either racist or chauvinistic. if he applies for an EOE job he likely to get it. i don't understand why in 2009 we as a country cannot just get along and judge eachother by the type of person that we and not by what our background, color, or gender are.

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as great as it would be for every one to just get along. it wont happen at least in my life time, to many people still harbor the raciest veiws of the past. and their is a disturbing trend of previously oppressed people, are now turning the tables in the other direction. its ridicules that this recruiters supervisor did this. and if he does not report this he's crazy this guy needs not be repremended for his actions.
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^to add fuel to the stereotype, heterosexual white males are the most descriminated against
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as great as it would be for every one to just get along. it wont happen at least in my life time, to many people still harbor the raciest veiws of the past. and their is a disturbing trend of previously oppressed people, are now turning the tables in the other direction. its ridicules that this recruiters supervisor did this. and if he does not report this he's crazy this guy needs not be repremended for his actions.
no kidding, i told my buddy don't let this slide. but he's so turned off by the whole expereince even before that, there was a group of marines i guess, all crowded around a cute girl, and my friend was made to feel like he was bothering them. how terrible is all that?
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its crap. i know a couple of unlisted guys their cocky but not anywhere near that bad. and i don't blame them for being a little confident. both have been in fire fights and had to take life's u need to be confident not to crack.
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its crap. i know a couple of unlisted guys their cocky but not anywhere near that bad. and i don't blame them for being a little confident. both have been in fire fights and had to take life's u need to be confident not to crack.
i'm confused how racism has to do with confidence, and ability to function under pressure of combat
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Tell your buddy to go Army, Dave.
yep, he's going for a second trip there, something about army corpse of engineers possibly.
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whats the joke, i'm military ignorant, gotta explain things to me. i wish i could serve, stupid asthma.
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Possible Affirmative Action which would make it not a case of racism on the superior's part. It makes him crass, and the recruiter a little stupid for using speaker phone.
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Possible Affirmative Action which would make it not a case of racism on the superior's part. It makes him crass, and the recruiter a little stupid for using speaker phone.
no, you can't mask "is he white" "i don't want a white guy" as affirmative action. and don't even start me on that bs.
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no, you can't mask "is he white" "i don't want a white guy" as affirmative action. and don't even start me on that bs.
Yeah, I can. He may have been rude about it, but it's possible the government has mandated a certain level of ethnic recruits and they've reached their percentage of "white guys". I'm not defending it, I'm merely pointing out it's a possibility.
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although i don't agree with the white guy comment and i think that the guys a jerk. their could possibly be a mandate on it and even if their wasn't.it wouldn't matter in the long run its their call so tiny's not wrong with her statement
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whats the joke, i'm military ignorant, gotta explain things to me. i wish i could serve, stupid asthma.
The Army "corpse" of Engineers is the joke.

Corps is good. Corps of Engineers, Marine Corp (or Corps) etc.

Corpse is a body.

Sorry, I thought you did that on purpose.
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Oh, and I won't say whether it's right or wrong, but the military (and government) does have "quotas". It's called affirmative action and it used to be much (MUCH) worse.

For good or bad, the reality is that there are goals that recruiters much make and if they need to put in 100 officer and 12 of them NEED to be black, female, asian etc and he doesn't have them, he needs to say no (I remind you to re-read para 1 here).

So, while the recruiter needs some counseling on his/her communication skills, the facts are that right now there aren't any slots.

Go Army (or Navy etc) or wait until Oct 1st and have your friend re-apply. New quotas on the beginning of the new fiscal year and all...
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Thats unbelievable, i would go to a different recruiter. That is the reason i didnt join the marines. The recruiter was a dick...
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i'm kinda disappointed at the response here: meh, affirmative action, oh well.
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well i said affirmative action would be a excuse. i never said i liked or even agreed with the idea of turning down a person with a masters from enlisting because of his race.
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The most racist people I've met in my life were all black. Statements like "the white devil" the stuff Van Jones said and nation of Islam would never be stood for if they came out of the mouth of a white man about any minority. I don't get why it's OK from them. Racism is racism. The affirmative action thing is crap. All my bosses (4 levels up) are not white, but affirmative action keeps promoting people much less qualified than me, because I'm white. My friend is half black/ half white and gets beat to death with comments about not embracing his blackness everyday at work. The free pass should end!
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no doubt promotions should be based on skill and attitude. not color of skin but if u want anything to happen about it wright ur congress person. and or join a group about it that's the only way this will be different. and also remember they will only listen if u make ur self heard in a well informed matter. don't just write a letter bashing the services it will only make u look like a a$$ and they'll just throw it out.
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i'm kinda disappointed at the response here: meh, affirmative action, oh well.
Jeez Dave, what did you expect? This has been going on for nearly 30 years.

I got out of the Navy after my first enlistment. Took the FAA air traffic controller exam. Scored very high. Got the "no thanks letter" though they were hiring. Seems I was too white.

Same with a Michigan Department of Natural Resources exam. The recruiter actually TOLD me that he couldn't hire me because I was not a minority!

That was 1986.

Today, it's not a whole lot different. Been going on for years.
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ya, i know how long its been going on, and the results. my dad owned a construction company, never at the level of city contracts and stuff, but i saw how the minority contractors got the contracts w/ higher bids, and sub standard work just because they were a minority.

i just don't like that we're desensitized to it, i refuse to say meh.
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i'm kinda disappointed at the response here: meh, affirmative action, oh well.

What exactly where you looking for? Outrage? Cries of racism? The truth ain't always as self-affirming as you'd like and the truth is if this recruiter was acting within the boundaries of his job, the actions he took, regardless of his inability to communicate in a professional manner, were not racist.

The possibility that this was a case of affirmative action doesn't diminish how unfair the decision was, it only removes the absolute assumption that the action was based on racism. Your disappointment in the responses only shows a close minded approach to examining the incident on a non emotional level.
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i just don't like that we're desensitized to it, i refuse to say meh.

I don't see one single person saying "meh".
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its true that it might not have been racism but it is still a distinct possibility that it may have been involved
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It pisses me off too.
A few years ago the post office was hiring, when I applied I was told it was unlikely I would get hired because I wasn't a minority or former military.
Thanks again democrats.
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its true that it might not have been racism but it is still a distinct possibility that it may have been involved
Actually it is racism, it's just .gov approved racism with a politically correct name.
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how is affirmative action not racism???? its kind of the definition, a decision being made based on race.

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