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Old 01-24-2012, 10:00 AM   #31
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The only time I would be offended by the Confederate flag (or any flag for that matter) is if it was raised above the American flag.
Took the words out of my mouth. It is not only illegal but against moral judgement.
I have no problem with people flying their flag but respect the soil where you are standing on. My thoughts.

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Was slavery bad? Hell yes!

It, along with things like...the genocide of Native American "indians", the conquest of central and south america, the Salem witch trials, Spanish inquisition, BOTH crusades, and the long long LONG list of other abominations of humanity are shining examples of self-rightous "superior" beings imposing themselves over others.

Learn from your mistakes...dont ignore them.

But that starts with getting people to do their homework and actually READ the history books, not just the bold text or cliffs notes. Then they will understand that the Civil War wasnt about slavery. It was a componant of the "spin" to gain popular support for imposing federal control.

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But that starts with getting people to do their homework and actually READ the history books, not just the bold text or cliffs notes. Then they will understand that the Civil War wasnt about slavery. It was a componant of the "spin" to gain popular support for imposing federal control.

This is correct lol
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If I were that kids parents, I'd sue for unlawful imprisonment. Burning flags is protected freedom of speech according to the US supreme corruptors.....err I mean, court, yeah Court
It wasn't unlawful imprisonment. Burning a flag may be protected. Lighting a fire on school grounds is not. Then there is the catch all charge the police use, "disorderly conduct". All the police need to prove is that the suspect caused a disturbance.

I use disorderly conduct when I can't prove who started the fight, when all I'm left with is a big scene. The ones who caused the scene get hooked for disorderly conduct. My proof can be a camera phone photo of the onlookers gathered around. Easy peasy legit arrest.
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Slavery was the most vital "component" of the Southern economy. I'd say that makes it a pretty big deal when discussing the civil war. Just to compare, I'm getting changed at the YMCA last night. A guy opens up the locker next to mine i say hi and so does he, he pulls off his shirt and he's got every nazi tatoo you can imagine (some jailhouse, most pro). Sure, that's his right. I'm not offended. I just don't agree. Same with the flag. Yeah, history is history. But come on. Is that cool with everyone if it was if this was at a gym in Germany? I'm just saying, I live in jersey and you still see a bunch of confederate flags on jeeps. Is it cool to own a Rubicon with a swastika on the hood if you live in Berlin just because there's more of an historic context there? Plenty of Germans sacrificed for what they thought to be a just cause. Sound familiar?
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:08 AM   #36
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Abercombie, I agree with everything...other than the "Vital Componant" of the southern economy. You seem to be a history major, and as such you are aware that there were three times as many white "indentured servants" as there were "slaves" (of any color).
You also know that the Immancipation Proclamation only freed 20,000 slaves and did so with the EXPRESSED INTENT of rolling them into the Union Army.

As mentioned above, human history is repleat with examples of ethnic idiocy. White Supremist love to worship Hitler who proclaimed Blonde-Haired, Blue-eyed, Germans to be the supreme-race...Ironic since he was a short, brown-haired, Brown-eyed, Austrian.

The point being that people believe what they CHOOSE to believe and almost NEVER make any effort to utilize critical thinking to actually understand almost ANY subject.

The question: does the confederate flag offend anyone. Is simple. The answer is more complicated because so very many people believe it represents one thing. Others believe it represents something completely different. Yes, there are those who wave it in because they believe in racial oppression. In that case, its nice to have a way of recognizing from a distance that they are functionally retarded. That way you dont have to get close in order to figure it out.

Do I get "offended" by people like that? No. The world will ALWAYS need burger flippers.
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Born and raised in Georgia. I have to admit it offends me. Understand the history behind it, but I've just seen it used as a modern symbol of hate more often than not...that being said, I know many of my friends see it as a symbol of 'southern pride'. Perception is unfortunately often reality and I think someone else said it as well, context is important. Point is, more of my friends see it as a symbol of white supremacy than those that do not. I choose not be associated with it. Does that mean that I want to erase history?...no, but I'll also never fly it. Argue all you want about it being about history - it has modern connotations And before anyone asks, you should really look at the history of some of the flags that were changed in protest to civil rights movements such as the Georgia flag. It will really make you think.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:23 PM   #38
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sounds like you need better "friends"

I completely agree that context is vital. But so is perspective.

It is undenyably true that the southern states opted to suceed from the nothern states, PARTLY due to the northers states initiatives to end slavery. It was a factor.

But if we choose to interpret it as THE cause of the civil war, and thus as THE meaning of the Confederate Flag, and we then choose to turn our societal noses up in the air in order to adopt some moral high-ground, then we must also take into consideration that a mere eighty years before the civil war, the colonies suceeded from Britain...PARTLY because of Britains efforts to...wait for it...END SLAVERY.

But our "founding fathers" who we have draped with cloaks of saintlyness...didnt want to be told by King George that the colonies couldnt have slaves. Uhh Ohh.... thats not good for modern P.R. Lets try to overlook that teensy little detail.

Try to look at it this way. If you ask the average red-neck what flag is on the side of the "General Lee" (Dukes of Hazard, reference, try to keep up) they will almost certainly say: "The Rebel Flag" Very few will call it the Confederate Flag. Oddly, I've never heard ANYONE...reguardless of how few teen they may have, or how long their mullet may be...I've never once heard it called "The Slavery Flag"

While pondering the topic of the Confederacy...and rebellion , in general..... Just for fun, read the Articles of CONFEDERATION which established "The United States" upon issuance of our Declaration of Independance. Talk about some rebellious trouble-makers who are fed-up with people subjugating them. Thats a hoot.

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As stated wisely before, context is everything.

A confederate flag decal on a bumper in Ga...not a big deal to me.

Being waved around at a Klan or neo nazi rally? BIG DEAL! Then it becomes an instrument being used to terrorize.

But even that decal is a big deal to enough people that it oughta just go away.
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You don't know me and you don't my friends so why would you make this comment? You assume a lot in your statement. I have friends that support it as symbol of 'southern pride' - one of the biggest supporters was a Vietnamese friend from high school who drove around in a big red pick-up and flew a confederate flag. But, as I said before, most of my friends still see it as a symbol of hate. I respect them enough not to fly it myself. And yes it offends me. It was the recognized symbol of a fairly large group of KKK in Stone Mountain where I grew up.
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A bunch of white, mostly conservative (from my observations, and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner) folks discussing whether or not the Confederate flag is offensive to them. Now there's a laugh.
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:19 PM   #44
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Abercombie, I agree with everything...other than the "Vital Componant" of the southern economy. You seem to be a history major, and as such you are aware that there were three times as many white "indentured servants" as there were "slaves" (of any color).
You also know that the Immancipation Proclamation only freed 20,000 slaves and did so with the EXPRESSED INTENT of rolling them into the Union Army.

As mentioned above, human history is repleat with examples of ethnic idiocy. White Supremist love to worship Hitler who proclaimed Blonde-Haired, Blue-eyed, Germans to be the supreme-race...Ironic since he was a short, brown-haired, Brown-eyed, Austrian.

The point being that people believe what they CHOOSE to believe and almost NEVER make any effort to utilize critical thinking to actually understand almost ANY subject.

The question: does the confederate flag offend anyone. Is simple. The answer is more complicated because so very many people believe it represents one thing. Others believe it represents something completely different. Yes, there are those who wave it in because they believe in racial oppression. In that case, its nice to have a way of recognizing from a distance that they are functionally retarded. That way you dont have to get close in order to figure it out.

Do I get "offended" by people like that? No. The world will ALWAYS need burger flippers.
I'd like to note that the impending industrial revolution would've "freed" the slaves without Lincoln's whole war thingy. A combine and a cotton gin would've displaced hundreds of slaves.
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The Confederate Flag doesnt represent racial oppression. Most people dont choose to remember that Lincoln offered to "let" the slave states keep their slaves. But its fun to remember him as a liberator.
To me, the Confederate Flag represents resistance to POLITICAL and ECONOMIC oppression. (Federalism....seem framiliar?)

I dont have one, dont wear one, dont wave one, but dont object to them either.

I consider myself to be fairly resilient and durable...kinda like a Jeep

I simply choose not to let other people offend me.

Now....

As to the the original question, though....uhhhh....no objections what-so-ever.

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let's add a little context to what you're saying, shall we? Lincoln campaigned with the intent to stop slavery from spreading. he specifically said that he wouldn't abolish skavery( immediately atleast) but the south seceded upon his election into office. his plan behind all of his actions was to keep the union intact. this is evident throughout his motives and also, postwar, when he wanted to let the states rejoin the union as if they had never left because he viewed what happened as that they had never left because he believed that a state couldn't secede. so, when Lincoln attempted to come to an agreement with the southern states for them to keep their slaves, it was in attempt to maintain the union which he believed was essential to America. so it isn't "fun" to think of him as a liberator, he is THE great emancipator. I think it was in your other post that you said the emancipation proclamation was issued to add slaves to the union army (if you didn't say this please ignore the American history that follows) the EP was only effective in states of rebellion I.e. the south, not the border states. Lincoln treaded very lightly with the intent to keep the border states from seceding. the EP added about 3 million slaves (of the total of 4million) to the union. yes, slaves did join the union army and that was a benefit of the EP but not its sole purpose
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It is the wise man who freely admits when he is wrong.

And thus do I.

I was mistaken.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_s..._the_Civil_War

I should read more.


Still.... Mighty fond of that swim suit, though.
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It is the wise man who freely admits when he is wrong.

And thus do I.

I was mistaken.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_s..._the_Civil_War

I should read more.

Still.... Mighty fond of that swim suit, though.
I have a great deal of respect for you now, and I too agree, it's a great piece of clothing
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hmmm, confederate flag, flown by the southern states during the civil war, fighting to keep slavery, who would be offended.
You mean during the War of Northern Aggression, right?

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The only time I would be offended by the Confederate flag (or any flag for that matter) is if it was raised above the American flag.
This. I recently saw a confederate flag being flown above Old Glory, and was very upset and disturbed by this. I was not driving however, and could not go to the house to address the problem. From the looks of the place that was probably a good thing.

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A bunch of white, mostly conservative (from my observations, and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner) folks discussing whether or not the Confederate flag is offensive to them. Now there's a laugh.
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I will be buying a decent sized one for the bed of my truck when I get it. Theres atleast 4 or 5 at my school that fly them on there truck.
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A bunch of white, mostly conservative (from my observations, and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner) folks discussing whether or not the Confederate flag is offensive to them. Now there's a laugh.
I value this statement as well
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I'm not offended by it, but I really believe its flown to offend. It says a lot about that person's values and ideals. Everyone knows you're going to invoke certain sentiments by hanging it from your truck for all to see and the message is, "F you and your sentiments". Bottom line is, people know what they're really doing when they fly the stars and bars. Let's not pretend they don't.
I have to admit I was a history major, American Military History to be exact, and I do not want to get into a debate on the causes of the Civil War... but, as this is a thread about the flag, I do want to clarify that.

This is the "Stars and Bars"


This is the "Confederate Battle Flag"
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hmmm, confederate flag, flown by the southern states during the civil war, fighting to keep slavery, who would be offended.
^Read a History book. And I bet you think the "War on Terror" is ALL about terrorists too.

What's funny is I was reading a thread about bumper stickers and a guy had one that said "White Pride" and everyone got so upset. Who cares what some guy has on HIS bumper! IT'S HIS BUMPER!!! I'm pretty sure Black people say "Black Pride" all the time. It has nothing to do with being a racist for most, of course some are and some aren't. It's just funny in the so called "Land of the Free" we fight with ourselves about stupid crap when it doesn't matter. If you don't like White people, don't go near them, if you don't like Black people, don't go near them. Don't have a pouty face and cry about equal rights, when you. It should be 50/50 if you can say stuff about one race, then the other should be able to say something about you with no freaking tears. Me personally, I think it is absolutely ignorant to hate someone because of the color of their skin, does that make me right. Who knows? This is 'Merica and in 'Merica we can believe what ever the heck we want to.
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It doesn't offend me. It doesn't exactly appeal to me. If I were going to fly it I would educate myself first so I had a reason for flying it. Not just to make myself look country. I know I'm country already lol. But I would fly an American flag before the confed. And also that swim suit is lovely. Thanks spencer.
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i voted no as soon as i clicked this thread...

after voting i scrolled down a bit...then forgot entirely what this thread was about...
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i voted no as soon as i clicked this thread...

after voting i scrolled down a bit...then forgot entirely what this thread was about...
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